Landis and testosterone

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Hawaiian Wayne said:

How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and the testosterone incident?

I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
already...Jeez!

It is induhviduals such as yourself that post messages
about the incident, not the "group." But, you are
excused. You do not know any better.

--
Michael Press

Hawaiian Wayne said:

Quoted message said:

How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and the testosterone incident?

Michael Press said:

It is induhviduals such as yourself that post messages
about the incident, not the "group."

Assimilation is inevitable. Resistance is futile. We are the Borg.

Hawaiian Wayne said:

How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and the testosterone incident?

I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
already...Jeez!

Aloha for now,
Hawaiian Wayne

3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
One bonus point for no profanity.

Smokey

Smokey said:

Hawaiian Wayne said:

How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and thetestosteroneincident?

Quoted message said:

I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
already...Jeez!

Quoted message said:

Aloha for now,
Hawaiian Wayne

3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
One bonus point for no profanity.

Smokey

Finally!

I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.

I can sleep happy now.

Hawaiian Wayne

"Hawaiian Wayne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Smokey said:

Hawaiian Wayne said:

How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and thetestosteroneincident?

Quoted message said:

I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
already...Jeez!

Quoted message said:

Aloha for now,
Hawaiian Wayne

3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
One bonus point for no profanity.

Smokey

Finally!

I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.

I can sleep happy now.

Hawaiian Wayne

Hope you dream about Landis and thetestosteroneincident.

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:59:50 -0000, Hawaiian Wayne <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Smokey said:

Hawaiian Wayne said:

How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and thetestosteroneincident?

Quoted message said:

I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
already...Jeez!

Quoted message said:

Aloha for now,
Hawaiian Wayne

3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
One bonus point for no profanity.

Smokey

Finally!

I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.

Yeah but you were hoping on a 0 - 10 scale, the 3.2 represents Troll-O-Metric
Preemminences of which there are 37. So your score is actually less than one,
according to your system.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

A compact bike frame, to me, appears as one not fitting together
correctly. Maybe I should go into the bike frame business. Bikers
don't even seem to notice.

I still don't understand why the top tube angle makes any difference, except for frame mass. But what do I know....

Dan

On Sep 10, 12:11 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>

Quoted message said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

A compact bike frame, to me, appears as one not fitting together
correctly. Maybe I should go into the bike frame business. Bikers
don't even seem to notice.

I still don't understand why the top tube angle makes any difference, except for frame mass. But what do I know....

It looks odd -- like my shed frame construction.

Do frame pumps stay and fit well in compact frames? For "classic"
geometry, there was a peg for the obtuse angle and a the seat-top
angle was acute.

I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.

Where did that come from? My cf Look 381 holds a generic frame pump
under the top tube just fine (without a strap), and it could also hold a
pump along the seat tube.

Jay Hill said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.

Where did that come from? My cf Look 381 holds a generic frame pump
under the top tube just fine (without a strap), and it could also hold a
pump along the seat tube.

The material doesn't matter. I have an aluminum Fondreist with carbon
rear triangle and there's no room for a pump. But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

Kyle Legate said:

Jay Hill said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.

Where did that come from? My cf Look 381 holds a generic frame pump
under the top tube just fine (without a strap), and it could also
hold a pump along the seat tube.

The material doesn't matter. I have an aluminum Fondreist with carbon
rear triangle and there's no room for a pump. But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

With N2O cartridges, who needs a bicycle?

--
Bill Asher

Kyle Legate said:

The material doesn't matter. I have an aluminum Fondreist with carbon
rear triangle and there's no room for a pump. But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

CO2 + cell phone?

Harumph. I'll stick with my Topeak Morph.

Dan

On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Legate said:

But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Legate said:

But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?

There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than cartridges.

--
tanx,
Howard

Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Legate said:

But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?

Stop breathing then.

On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Legate said:

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Legate said:

But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?

People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?

Stop breathing then.

I said **EXTRA** CO2.

Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On Sep 12, 5:58 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Quoted message said:

Legate said:

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle
> Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> But with CO2 cartridges,
>> who carries a pump anymore?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Stop breathing then.

Quoted message said:

I said **EXTRA** CO2.

Quoted message said:

Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...

You're saying Al [censored] should stop breathing?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought he converted CO2 to oxygen?
Bill C

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Donald Munro said:

Howard Kveck said:

There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than cartridges.

Quoted message said:

You get some pretty small pumps that fit in a jersey pocket these
days for emergencies like that. They work pretty reasonably,
you can get your tyres up to 80 psi or so if you don't mind a
a bit of PT (particularly helpful training for people who don't
have a scintillating social life).

I've seen these micro pumps and it looks like frustrating work getting even that
much pressure in a tire, if the mini pumps are anything to go by. Definitely more
of a cardio workout than the ride itself.

I have one for commuting around town, but they suck. My road racing
bikes have large and light (150g) frame pumps that pump a lot of air
fast.

Plus, if they are attached, I don't have to remember them.

I don't want to waste my time and money going and buying cartridges.
What a PITA.

Quoted message said:

Greg is right that the shapes of carbon frames
don't often lend themselves to frame pumps - the big radii at the joints don't help.

That's it for mine. Straps are a necessity. Many others I've seen
are the same way. Lame-o.

Quoted message said:

I think I'm going to find a smallish regular frame pump and do something to attach it
to the bottom of the left chainstay (it'll lower the CG and be more aero, you
know...).

I tryed that, but couldn't get it to work. I've seen it work for some
folks though.

---
I was thinking about another reason I don't like compact frames. I
have bought my Leesville Gap Survival Water Bottles, which are those
giant 38-40 oz Zefals. They are very tall. Combine those with a
frame pump, large (and rounded joint) frame tubes, and a compact
frame, then people without a large frame size will not get the
combination to fit in the available space. While these are minor
complaints, I don't find the compact frame compelling. I would not
buy one.

Incidentally, the King cages don't lose those big-ass bottles, even on
rough pavement. I say that only to annoy Bob, as he seems to have
this "anti-cool is cool" thing going on.

So now can we get back to chit-chatting about Landis and testosterone?

Bill C said:

SLAVE of THE STATE said:

On Sep 12, 5:58 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article [email hidden], "Kyle
>> Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>> But with CO2 cartridges,
>>> who carries a pump anymore?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Stop breathing then.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I said **EXTRA** CO2.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...

Quoted message said:

You're saying Al [censored] should stop breathing?- Hide quoted text -

I thought he converted CO2 to oxygen?

He delivers nothing but hot air.

"To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
--Bertrand de Jouvenel,
_Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_

de Jouvenel tapped his mother-in-law, if the rumors are true.