Lance will be the last.

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom
their country to obscurity after they leave. After Lance,
there will be no American champions for maybe a century.
Look to eastern europe for the future champions of the
tour de france.

So you're saying there haven't been any great Belgian
cycling champions since Merckx? Hmmmm. Yes ... Belgian
cycling has been doomed to obscurity for decades now.

Sheesh!

Bob C.

That is so funny: predicting cycling trends decades down the
road. Might be unreliable forecasting. Gary

Callistus Valerius said:

Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom
their country to obscurity after they leave. After Lance,
there will be no American champions for maybe a century.
Look to eastern europe for the future champions of the
tour de france.

"Callistus Valerius" wrote silly things...

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there will be no American champions for maybe a century.

Troll.

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and

Indurain

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for Spain. 5 time winners, doom their country to obscurity
after they leave. After Lance, there will be no American
champions for maybe a century. Look to eastern europe for
the future champions of the tour de france.

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One of these days you are going to accidentally say
something that makes sense.

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom
their country to obscurity after they leave. After Lance,
there will be no American champions for maybe a century.
Look to eastern europe for the future champions of the
tour de france.

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France,

and Indurain

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for Spain. 5 time winners, doom their country to obscurity

after they

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leave. After Lance, there will be no American
champions for

maybe a

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century. Look to eastern europe for the future
champions of

the tour de

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france.

Not true. I am planning a return to racing this year and
will carry the flag for America, at least in the masters
events that are close to home and do not conflict with my
other weekend activities. I am negotiating with my mailman
for a spot on the scaled-back USP team and am not yet
prepared to announce my European schedule. -- Jay Beattie.

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom their
country to obscurity after they leave.

Makes sense. It's not like Spain has had a rider win a grand
tour or a world championship or a monumental classic
recently, right?

JT

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom their
country to obscurity after they leave.

Makes sense. It's not like Spain has had a rider win a
grand tour or a world championship or a monumental classic
recently, right?

Spain, Italy, Belgium, and France all had extraordinary
records in international races of the highest level prior to
the above-mentioned Tour 5-timers. Yet since, I dare say if
you look at any given race in a given year, at most one,
sometimes none, of them are able to win. Hardly a stellar
record. I think the point is proven.

Dan

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Originally posted by Callistus Valer
Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for France,
and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom their country
to obscurity after they leave. After Lance, there will be no
American champions for maybe a century. Look to eastern
europe for the future champions of the tour de france.

Sure and if you could wish bad luck on someone or something I would have been dead years ago. So wish away but wake up to reality ocassionally.

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and

Indurain

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for Spain. 5 time winners, doom their country to
obscurity after they leave.

Makes sense. It's not like Spain has had a rider win a
grand tour or a world championship or a monumental
classic recently, right?

Spain, Italy, Belgium, and France all had extraordinary
records in

international

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races of the highest level prior to the above-mentioned
Tour 5-timers.

Yet

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since, I dare say if you look at any given race in a given
year, at most

one,

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sometimes none, of them are able to win. Hardly a stellar
record. I

think the point is

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proven.

Dan

Dan -

Did I read you right ? Maybe not, but I'll go on, anyway.

Seems that the way it works is that, for example, Freire got
first place last Saturday. But I don't recall that Zabel got
first-next, or that Julich got first-somewhere-later-on.
There was no particular prize for first Carnac-shod over the
line, just as none for first Sidi-shod.

Not to mention, you could look at this year's final
placements for the races run, and you just may find a
European in there in first-winner position, although not
usually more than once per race. Don't leave out
Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, or even England (quasi-
Euro?), etc.

Cheerfully, your devoted reader,
--
Bonne route,

Sandy Paris FR

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:26:22 GMT, Dan Connelly

d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g said:

Yet since, I dare say if you look at any given race in a
given year, at most one, sometimes none, of them are
able to win.

Hard to refute that. Also hard to repeat.

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

Thought Greg LeMond said that. -tom

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"Callistus Valerius" wrote silly things...

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there will be no American champions for maybe a century.

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Thought Greg LeMond said that.

virtual 5 time winners don't count.

SMMB said:

Did I read you right ? Maybe not, but I'll go on, anyway.

You probably did.

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Seems that the way it works is that, for example, Freire
got first place last Saturday. But I don't recall that
Zabel got first-next, or that Julich got first-somewhere-later-
on. There was no particular prize for first Carnac-shod
over the line, just as none for first Sidi-shod.

Not to mention, you could look at this year's final
placements for the races run, and you just may find a
European in there in first-winner position, although not
usually more than once per race. Don't leave out
Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, or even England (quasi-
Euro?), etc.

Don't take all arguments posted here too seriously.

Dan

"Dan Connelly" wrote ...

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Spain, Italy, Belgium, and France all had extraordinary
records in

international

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races of the highest level prior to the above-mentioned
Tour 5-timers.

Yet

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since, I dare say if you look at any given race in a given
year, at most

one,

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sometimes none, of them are able to win. Hardly a stellar
record. I

think the point is

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proven.

I think that like so many of the stats thrown around in pro
football, there's no logical connection between the 5-time
tour winners and any subsequent national performance.

JF

Speaking of "the last", why not make this your last posting?

Zub

Chris said:

"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom
their country to obscurity after they leave. After Lance,
there will be no American champions for maybe a century.
Look to eastern europe for the future champions of the
tour de france.

One of these days you are going to accidentally say
something that makes sense.

...and the entire works of William Shakespeare

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Just as Merckx was the last for Belgium. Hinault for
France, and Indurain for Spain. 5 time winners, doom
their country to obscurity after they leave.

Makes sense. It's not like Spain has had a rider win a
grand tour or a world championship or a monumental classic
recently, right?

JT

The way the Australians are comming on I would expect the
next TdF champ to come from down under. Extremely sporting
competitive continent.

Richard Adams said:

The way the Australians are comming on I would expect the
next TdF champ to come from down under. Extremely sporting
competitive continent.

What's the percentage of obesity in the general population?