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  1. Quoted message said:

    Could have something to do with Lance realising Shimano front shifters don't really work.

    Or the rattling shifter distracts him during mountainstages with their bad roads.

    "Jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Could have something to do with Lance realising Shimano front shifters don't really work.

    Jon

    "Zeen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed in a recent Tour photo that Lance used a downtube shifter for


    his

    Quoted message said:

    front chainring during a mountain stage. I had read that it was to save weight but I can't
    believe it saves that much weight even assuming he replaced his left STI shifter with a plain
    brake lever. Was weight savings the real reason for this? I suppose every gram counts.


  2. That would be my experience too. No amount of adjustment will make the small to large chainring
    shift smooth and reliable.

    Jon said:

    Could have something to do with Lance realising Shimano front shifters don't really work.

    Jon

    "Zeen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed in a recent Tour photo that Lance used a downtube shifter for


    his

    Quoted message said:

    front chainring during a mountain stage. I had read that it was to save weight but I can't
    believe it saves that much weight even assuming he replaced his left STI shifter with a plain
    brake lever. Was weight savings the real reason for this? I suppose every gram counts.


  3. Thanks for all the info. I do think dts gives you micro adjusting capability that STI does not. It's
    easier to quiet any rubbing on the front derailleur and maybe even avoid losing the chain. As for
    the weight, I see Lance wears a watch too. How many grams is that? That raises the old question of
    the impact of an additional ounce on the bike versus an additional ounce on the rider.

  4. Zeen said:

    Thanks for all the info. I do think dts gives you micro adjusting capability that STI does not.
    It's easier to quiet any rubbing on the front derailleur and maybe even avoid losing the chain.

    Or, you could use Ergo...

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I can _`\(,_ | assure you that mine
    are all greater. -- A. Einstein (_)/ (_) |

  5. "David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Zeen said:

    Thanks for all the info. I do think dts gives you micro adjusting capability that STI does not.
    It's easier to quiet any rubbing on the front derailleur and maybe even avoid losing the chain.

    Or, you could use Ergo...

    Not if you're sponsored by Shimano. For you and I, sure, run whatever you want. For Lance, not
    gonna happen!

    Quoted message said:


    David L. Johnson

    __o | Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I can _`\(,_ | assure you that mine
    are all greater. -- A. Einstein (_)/ (_) |

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What are you babbling about?

    What are _you_ babbling about?

    _I'm_ babbling about babbling. 8^)

    Dave

  7. Why not?

    In the past USP used Lightspeed Ti TT frames while sponsored by Trek. Plenty of other TDF teams and
    pro triathletes re-badge other brands if they think they are using a superior product.

    Admittedly it's harder to re-badge a shift lever ......

    "Mike S." <mikeshaw2@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:d8a8b.123083$kP.40375@fed1read03...

    Not if you're sponsored by Shimano. For you and I, sure, run whatever you want. For Lance, not
    gonna happen!

  8. "Wade Summers" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:IR48b.7948$pe.3408@lakeread06:

    Quoted message said:


    "onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where have you guys been? The down-tube shifter thing has been standard practice ( in the
    mountain stages ) for a lot of riders for about 10 years...

    Actually, the "down-tube shifter thing" has been around much longer than


    10 years, my

    Quoted message said:

    friend.

    Dave

    Ha. Ha. The context of the comment/discussion is that all professional riders (and 99% amateurs
    races too) use STI/Ergo levers these days. In fact it has been that way for about 10 years. When
    did Shimano introduce STI ? About 1991/92? However, to save weight for the mtn stages, many GC
    contenders will use a down-tube lever for the front derailleur. A couple of posters seemed
    somewhat surprised by this. I was mearly pointing out that it was nothing new.

    Wade

    Andy Hampstead is the first rider that I remember using a front DT shifter on the mtn stages. I'm
    pretty sure he was on Ergo. Plus that was in the day that pros claimed they "didn't need" brifters.
    Personally I don't know how those guys can stand having two different hood shapes on a bike. It
    would drive me crazy.

    ALF

  9. "Al Frost" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Andy Hampstead is the first rider that I remember using a front DT shifter on the mtn stages. I'm
    pretty sure he was on Ergo.

    When he was on 7-Eleven and Motorola they used Shimano.

    Quoted message said:

    Personally I don't know how those guys can stand having two different hood shapes on a bike. It
    would drive me crazy.

    Have you ever tried it? It's a non-issue for me -- I never notice it.

    JT

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  10. "Zeen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed in a recent Tour photo that Lance used a downtube shifter for his front chainring during
    a mountain stage. I had read that it was to save weight but I can't believe it saves that much
    weight even assuming he replaced his left STI shifter with a plain brake lever. Was weight savings
    the real reason for this? I suppose every gram counts.

    There's an interesting Subaru ad with Lance Armstrong in what might be called a brown-scale picture
    opposite page 158 of the September 22 New Yorker.

    His right-side brifter cable is plain to see.

    So is the lack of any left-side brifter cable that started this thread.

    The end of his left-side down-tube shifter is tiny but clearly visible, peeking out from below his
    right forearm.

    He's wearing a cap instead of a helmet, perhaps to save weight, or to feel cooler, or just to look
    adventurous in keeping with the ad's silly motto.

    He sports a radio ear-plug that presumably connects him to a support car full of advice and the
    spares and tools that he isn't carrying in his non-existent seat and frame bags. (Otherwise his ride
    would actually risk being a little adventurous.)

    Half-a-dozen sponsor logos appear on his bike and clothing, though most are illegible.

    So to my ill-informed eye, it looks as if he's supposed to be on a mountain stage. For all I know,
    it's an authentic picture from a famous race, not something badly staged for an ad in which bikes
    somehow sell cars. Or it might be actual equipment used for a training or pleasure ride.

    The picture raises a few things that might interest rec.bike.tech posters. The temptation is to make
    snide comments at the expense of the advertising industry (see above), but I hope that someone will
    address the practical details--what do the pros really do, why do they do it, and does it make much
    difference?

    Do the pros really use the deep aero-rim wheels shown in the ad on mountain stages? Armstrong's aero
    wheels look massive, but perhaps they're just as light as normal rims or else offer unexpected
    aerodynamic advantages even when toiling uphill?

    Do the pros struggling up hot, sunny mountain stages really let their shirts flap in the breeze for
    the sake of cooling to the extent that they obscure the logos running down the outside of their
    shorts? Or do they keep their shirt-tails tucked in to reduce wind drag and swelter? Do they switch
    to shirts ventilated with thousands of tiny holes like football players? Or do such perforated
    shirts play hell with wind drag?

    And what about the water-bottles? Do the pros really carry two water bottles up mountain stages? Or
    do they rely on bottles handed to them along the way and toss them aside when empty? I can't even
    tell for sure if Armstrong has a bottle in his rear holder.

    I wish that I knew enough to criticize the ad with authority, but I admit that I don't really know
    the answers about aero-rims, loose or perforatedshirts, and water-bottles, so I'd be delighted to
    read some better-informed comments.

  11. (Carl Fogel) said:

    Do the pros really use the deep aero-rim wheels shown in the ad on mountain stages? Armstrong's
    aero wheels look massive, but perhaps they're just as light as normal rims or else offer unexpected
    aerodynamic advantages even when toiling uphill?

    Since there's a minimum weight limit, it makes perfect sense to ride aero wheels in the mountains.
    And let's not forget that those guys do go "a little faster" than most of us going up, making the
    aero advantage more important. Of course, when they go over the top, the wheels really help.

    Quoted message said:

    Do the pros struggling up hot, sunny mountain stages really let their shirts flap in the breeze for
    the sake of cooling to the extent that they obscure the logos running down the outside of their
    shorts? Or do they keep their shirt-tails tucked in to reduce wind drag and swelter? Do they switch
    to shirts ventilated with thousands of tiny holes like football players? Or do such perforated
    shirts play hell with wind drag?

    They let 'em flap when climbing, but zip them up when they're at speed. And of course they zip 'em
    ALL the way up to pose for the cameras coming across the line with their arms in the air (or the
    pacifier / dummy in their mouth).

    Quoted message said:

    And what about the water-bottles? Do the pros really carry two water bottles up mountain stages? Or
    do they rely on bottles handed to them along the way and toss them aside when empty? I can't even
    tell for sure if Armstrong has a bottle in his rear holder.

    Normally they'll only have one bottle going up a mountain stage. The poor domestique who has to
    shuttle the bottles from the cars to the leaders has to carry a few more though...

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame

  12. Al Frost said:

    "Wade Summers" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:IR48b.7948$pe.3408@lakeread06:

    Quoted message said:

    "onefred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Where have you guys been? The down-tube shifter thing has been standard practice ( in the
    >mountain stages ) for a lot of riders for about 10 years...

    Actually, the "down-tube shifter thing" has been around much longer than

    10 years, my

    Quoted message said:

    friend.

    Dave

    Ha. Ha. The context of the comment/discussion is that all professional riders (and 99% amateurs
    races too) use STI/Ergo levers these days. In fact it has been that way for about 10 years. When
    did Shimano introduce STI ? About 1991/92? However, to save weight for the mtn stages, many GC
    contenders will use a down-tube lever for the front derailleur. A couple of posters seemed
    somewhat surprised by this. I was mearly pointing out that it was nothing new.

    Wade

    Andy Hampstead is the first rider that I remember using a front DT shifter on the mtn stages. I'm
    pretty sure he was on Ergo. Plus that was in the day that pros claimed they "didn't need"
    brifters. Personally I don't know how those guys can stand having two different hood shapes on a
    bike. It would drive me crazy.

    ALF


    I's my ex-employee Andrew _Hampsten_ and he was a Shimano-sponsored rider with Dura Ace, prominently
    pictured on the Shimano calendars of the era in his 'maglia rossa'.

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