Lance on Jim Rome

Sorry, this is a subscription site. I've read some reports about what was
said over on slowtwitch.com in the forums. Sounds like Lance asked to be on
the show for some damage control and made some very emphatic
statements/denials of ever using banned PEDs.

Didn't hear it for myself, but sounds interesting. Oh ... and I'm too cheap
to pay Rome to hear Lance spew.
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Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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www.jimrome.com

Lance denied ever taking anything and said they can keep his samples and
test them 15 or 20 years from now.

Not the usual, "I've never tested positive" stuff.
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

psycholist said:

Sorry, this is a subscription site. I've read some reports about

what was

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said over on slowtwitch.com in the forums. Sounds like Lance asked

to be on

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the show for some damage control and made some very emphatic
statements/denials of ever using banned PEDs.

Didn't hear it for myself, but sounds interesting. Oh ... and I'm

too cheap

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to pay Rome to hear Lance spew.
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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www.jimrome.com

Lance denied ever taking anything and said they can keep his

samples and

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test them 15 or 20 years from now.

Not the usual, "I've never tested positive" stuff.
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

I've been listening to the Rome show on am radio, and heard the
interview and the seemingly hundreds of phone calls afterwards. For
that matter, I saw the interview on ESPN this morning w/ Anderson.

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From the ESPN interview and the info I've read on the allegations, it

seems painfully clear that we're dealing with a disgruntled former
employee who THOUGHT he'd latched onto the golden teat, and is [censored]
that his job was terminated. He's so [censored] he's making completely
unfounded and unverifiable allegations in an attempt to discredit
Armstrong. His (Anderson's, that is) momma should be ashamed of him.

As for Lance on Rome, it was a definitive, clear denial. No waffling,
no legal-ese, no BS. He seemed geniunely irritated, as to be expected.

Unlike the throng of r.b.r. loonies who want to attack Lance at every
opportunity, 100% of the callers (at least 100% of the one's they put
through on the show) were completely behind Lance. Seems his
reputation in the general public (US, at least) has NOT been tarnished
by any of these allegations. If anything, he's apparently developing
quite a bit of sympathy out there. The US non-cycling public loves the
guy.

S.

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Sorry, this is a subscription site. I've read some reports about what was
said over on slowtwitch.com in the forums. Sounds like Lance asked to be
on the show for some damage control and made some very emphatic
statements/denials of ever using banned PEDs.

Didn't hear it for myself, but sounds interesting. Oh ... and I'm too
cheap to pay Rome to hear Lance spew.
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
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www.jimrome.com

Lance denied ever taking anything and said they can keep his samples and
test them 15 or 20 years from now.

Not the usual, "I've never tested positive" stuff.
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

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Unlike the throng of r.b.r. loonies who want to attack Lance at every
opportunity, 100% of the callers (at least 100% of the one's they put
through on the show) were completely behind Lance.

Interesting. Which rbr are you tuning in to? Rome and Armstrong go back
several years together. Rome essentially worships the ground Armstrong
walks on; water too for that matter. Do you really think they'd let anyone
calling in question Armstrong's veracity? If you do, I have real estate for
you.

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Seems his
reputation in the general public (US, at least) has NOT been tarnished
by any of these allegations. If anything, he's apparently developing
quite a bit of sympathy out there. The US non-cycling public loves the
guy.

S.

Hmmm... anyone out there have any doubts that Lafferty would've
responded any other way that he did to my note or to Bob C.'s ?

Anderson was anything but credible. He's an extortionist, nothing
more. You see, employers don't fire folks they're afraid of. They
promote them, pay them off, whatever. If Lance really thought Anderson
had the goods on him, as Anderson alleges, would Lance really send him
packing without a sufficient buyout and confidentiality agreement? No.

Too bad he didn't work for M. Jackson. He might have gotten paid off.

For what it's worth, I'm fully aware of Rome's love for Lance, and I
took that into consideration as I listened to his show.

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Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

You're the only person I've heard who saw it and thought so. It doesn't
sound to me like there's much of anything in what Anderson is saying or
doing that has much credibility. He says he saw something. He says he's
not sure what it was, but he looked it up on WADA.com and it was banned. He
never saw Lance taking it. And, oh by the way, he's in a legal pissing
contest with Lance.

There's nothing concrete here. There's only the word of a disgruntled
former employee vs. Lance. HA! This guy wasn't even smart enough to wait
until a week before the Tour to heighten interest in his story.
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

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Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

Let me see, who would I believe........Lance Armstrong or a lawyer? Hard one
that.

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Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

Let me see, who would I believe........Lance Armstrong or a lawyer? Hard
one that.

That'd be a hard one even if Lance were caught doping red-handed!
--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

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Hmmm... anyone out there have any doubts that Lafferty would've
responded any other way that he did to my note or to Bob C.'s ?

Personal attacks prove nothing.

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Anderson was anything but credible.

Your opinion and that's ok. I ran into two people I don't know at my LBS
today who saw Anderson on ESPN and found him believable. Credibility is for
the trier of fact, be that judge or jury, to determine in context with the
totality of the evidence.

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He's an extortionist, nothing
more. You see, employers don't fire folks they're afraid of. They
promote them, pay them off, whatever.

You must live in a very interesting business world. And, you're making
quite a few assumptions about Armstrong as an employer (as opposed to
Tailwind) that may or may not be valid.

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If Lance really thought Anderson
had the goods on him, as Anderson alleges, would Lance really send him
packing without a sufficient buyout and confidentiality agreement? No.

My understanding is that Armstrong did try to get Anderson to sign a
confidentiality agreement and that he apparently refused. As a strategy,
commencing an action against someone with a strong case is often best,
especially when you can afford to pay hefty legal fees as Armstrong can.

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Too bad he didn't work for M. Jackson. He might have gotten paid off.

Does Michael race bicycles?

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For what it's worth, I'm fully aware of Rome's love for Lance, and I
took that into consideration as I listened to his show.

It's not worth very much because you don't know how many non-positive calls
were received by the Rome show.

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I ran into two people I don't know at my LBS today who saw Anderson on
ESPN and found him believable.

Were they anonymous rbr posters as well?

psycholist said:

Sorry, this is a subscription site. I've read some reports about what was
said over on slowtwitch.com in the forums. Sounds like Lance asked to be on
the show for some damage control and made some very emphatic
statements/denials of ever using banned PEDs.

I'm a little surprised. Don't PR people counsel not to give these obviously
dumbass comments wings by replying to them? Seems to me the typical LA
thing to do would be to say nothing and file additional lawsuits? Since the
guy has no proof and can't even remember the name of this alleged stuff
you'd think his lawyer would be cringing.

jj

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Didn't hear it for myself, but sounds interesting. Oh ... and I'm too cheap
to pay Rome to hear Lance spew.

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I ran into two people I don't know at my LBS today who saw Anderson on
ESPN and found him believable.

Were they anonymous rbr posters as well?

If I run into them again, I'll be certain to ask them.

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Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

Let me see, who would I believe........Lance Armstrong or a lawyer? Hard
one that.

That'd be a hard one even if Lance were caught doping red-handed!

Would you believe Lance Armstrong's lawyer?

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> Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

Let me see, who would I believe........Lance Armstrong or a lawyer? Hard
one that.

That'd be a hard one even if Lance were caught doping red-handed!

Would you believe Lance Armstrong's lawyer?

Ha ... I couldn't say. I'm in dangerous territory here. I'm married to a
lawyer and right now she's in the room using my fax machine. Gotta lay low.

Bob C.

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>> Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.
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> Let me see, who would I believe........Lance Armstrong or a lawyer?
> Hard one that.
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That'd be a hard one even if Lance were caught doping red-handed!

Would you believe Lance Armstrong's lawyer?

Ha ... I couldn't say. I'm in dangerous territory here. I'm married to a
lawyer and right now she's in the room using my fax machine. Gotta lay
low.

Bob C.

Good luck. :-)

B. Lafferty said:

Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very

credible.

So you're buying real estate from him.

ray

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Anderson was on ESPN this morning and he came across as very credible.

You're the only person I've heard who saw it and thought so. It doesn't
sound to me like there's much of anything in what Anderson is saying or
doing that has much credibility. He says he saw something. He says he's
not sure what it was, but he looked it up on WADA.com and it was banned. He
never saw Lance taking it. And, oh by the way, he's in a legal pissing
contest with Lance.

There's nothing concrete here. There's only the word of a disgruntled
former employee vs. Lance. HA! This guy wasn't even smart enough to wait
until a week before the Tour to heighten interest in his story.

What Brian really means is this:

1. Anderson finds Andro in Girona apartment.
2. Anderson asks for $500/month raise.
3. Armstrong interprets this as a form of legal extortion related to the
Andro DISCOVERY.
4. Armstrong gives Anderson the raise.
5. Armstrong asks Anderson to sign a confidentiality agreement to
preempt disclosure of the Andro DISCOVERY.
6. Anderson says no way, Lancé.
7. Anderson asks for $500,000, signed yellow jersey, and endorsement to
set up a bike shop to buy his hush-up (but doesn't come ut and say he
knows about the Andro)
8. Armstrong sees the writing on the wall and sues Anderson, knowing
full well that a claim of finding Andro in a countersuit will look like
retaliation for the lawsuit. Armstrong gains the upper hand in the PR war.

Magilla

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What Brian really means is this:

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1. Anderson finds Andro in Girona apartment.
2. Anderson asks for $500/month raise.
3. Armstrong interprets this as a form of legal extortion related to the
Andro DISCOVERY.
4. Armstrong gives Anderson the raise.
5. Armstrong asks Anderson to sign a confidentiality agreement to
preempt disclosure of the Andro DISCOVERY.
6. Anderson says no way, Lanc?.
7. Anderson asks for $500,000, signed yellow jersey, and endorsement to
set up a bike shop to buy his hush-up (but doesn't come ut and say he
knows about the Andro)
8. Armstrong sees the writing on the wall and sues Anderson, knowing
full well that a claim of finding Andro in a countersuit will look like
retaliation for the lawsuit. Armstrong gains the upper hand in the PR war.

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Magilla

Wow! That actually made sense. I'm astounded to be in agreement!

Bob Schwartz
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Ha ... I couldn't say. I'm in dangerous territory here. I'm married to a
lawyer and right now she's in the room using my fax machine. Gotta lay
low.

So THAT'S the way you used to cover all your legal costs!