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  1. Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    PLANO - New York City has had an official Lance Armstrong Day, and
    Austin has had two.

    But here in the town where the cycling star was raised, Armstrong's
    name is as apt to invoke expressions of discomfort and regret as
    celebration, even as he closed in this week on an unprecedented sixth
    straight win in the Tour de France.

    "If they held a Lance Armstrong Day, he'd probably boycott it," said
    Jack English, principal of Bending Oaks High School in Dallas, from
    which Armstrong graduated in 1989.

    In fact, Plano officials invited Armstrong back on at least four
    occasions in 1999 and 2000 to celebrate his own day and to name a
    hike-and-bike trail in his honor. "We never received a response, so we
    dropped the effort," said Don Wendell, director of parks and
    recreation. "In his book, he wasn't very complimentary about us."

    That's putting it mildly.

    In his ghostwritten 2000 autobiography, It's Not About the Bike,
    Armstrong calls this Dallas suburb of 240,000 residents
    "soul-deadening" and conformist to a fault.

    Born in Dallas, Armstrong moved with his family to an apartment in
    suburban Richardson, then to a house in Plano, when he was young.

    "It was the quintessential American suburb, with strip malls, perfect
    grid streets and faux-antebellum country clubs in between empty brown
    wasted fields," he writes. "It was populated by guys in golf shirts
    and Sansabelt pants and women in bright fake gold jewelry, and
    alienated teenagers."

    If you were not upper middle class or a football player, he writes,
    "you didn't exist."

    As the son of a secretary, who raised him as a single parent, and as
    an aspiring athlete with little hand-eye coordination and no skill at
    moving laterally, he was neither.

    "I felt shunned at times," he recalls in the book. "I was the guy who
    did weird sports and who didn't wear the right labels." Kids in the
    "social" group made fun of his Lycra shorts.

    His adolescent resentments became fuel for his competitive fire, he
    writes. "Back then I was just a kid with about four chips on his
    shoulder, thinking, 'Maybe if I ride my bike on this road long enough
    it will take me out of here.' "

    Armstrong's most pointed criticism he saves for Plano East Senior High
    School, "one of the largest and most football-crazed high schools in
    the state."

    In the second semester of his senior year, he was invited by the U.S.
    Cycling Federation to train for the next season's Junior World
    Championships, his first big international bike race.

    School administrators objected to him missing six weeks of school, and
    told him and his mother he would not graduate if he skipped school to
    train. "I knew damned well that if I played football and wore Polo
    shirts and had parents who belonged to the Los Rios Country Club,
    things would be different," Armstrong recalled 11 years later.

    His mother persuaded Bending Oaks High School, a tiny private school
    located in a north Dallas office park, to give Armstrong credit for
    his 3 1/2 years at Plano high schools, and after just a few months in
    attendance he earned his diploma.

    Within a year, he moved to Austin and has lived there since, when not
    training in France, California or Spain, where Armstrong, now an
    international celebrity with a rock-star girlfriend, also has a house.

    "It's a disappointment," said Rick Gurney, owner of Plano Cycling and
    Fitness bike shop. "We have someone who we should be able to claim as
    our own but he's not willing to give us that. I think his book gives a
    reasonable explanation about his feelings, though it's not one any of
    us would like to hear."

    Gurney's shop is plastered with posters of Armstrong and products he
    endorses: bikes, helmets, sunglasses, clothing.

    Even if it is unrequited, "we love Lance," said Chris Mathews,
    president of the Plano Bicycle Association. "We have 200 members out
    there every Saturday morning trying to be just like him."

    At Richardson Bike Mart, in an adjacent suburb, manager Woody Smith
    said he did not think people and cyclists in Plano and Richardson are
    more interested in Armstrong's Tour de France bid than they are
    elsewhere in the state. "I thought people would be doing more," he
    said.

    The store held a Tour-watching party last weekend and plans to hold
    another this weekend, as the race ends.

    Armstrong's family got a deal from the store's owner, Jim Hoyt, on his
    first bike, a Schwinn, when he was 7 years old, and Hoyt has remained
    an Armstrong friend. "We have a pretty big Lance shrine," said Smith.
    In 1989 and 1990, Armstrong rode for the store's team in his first
    professional stint.

    On Wednesday, as Armstrong solidified his lead in the Tour by winning
    a time trial up the mountain switchbacks of L'Alpe d'Huez,
    administrators at Plano East were setting up their offices for the
    start of another school year.

    None wanted to talk about Armstrong, the most successful athlete the
    school ever produced.

    "Nobody has anything they want to share," said Debbie Weaver, the
    office administrator. Around the school's main lobby there are track
    and football trophies, and not a hint of Armstrong.

    "I haven't read his book," said Weaver. "But I've heard a little about
    what's in it."

    Meanwhile, the Tour de France was front-and-center on TV in the small
    reception room that makes up the main entry of Bending Oaks.

    "We've been following it very closely all through July and it's
    brought back a few alumni," said Doug McNamara, the school's
    president. "Lance coming to this school is pretty much an untold
    story. People are constantly telling us we should exploit it more."

    He said he has resisted.

    "We're a tiny school and we're so proud of him," McNamara said. "He
    was trying to find himself at that age like so many kids. It was on a
    bike that he did."

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  2. (666) said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    He's only 33, it takes many guys a little longer to outgrow that [censored].

    Ron

  3. "666" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    Quoted message said:


    Born in Dallas, Armstrong moved with his family to an apartment in
    suburban Richardson, then to a house in Plano, when he was young.

    "It was the quintessential American suburb, with strip malls, perfect
    grid streets and faux-antebellum country clubs in between empty brown
    wasted fields," he writes. "It was populated by guys in golf shirts
    and Sansabelt pants and women in bright fake gold jewelry, and
    alienated teenagers."

    If you were not upper middle class or a football player, he writes,
    "you didn't exist."

    He described Plano pretty accurately. Burleson is the same way, on a
    smaller, cheaper, white-trash scale.It's a little Plano-wannabe.

    Leisa

  4. Very cool that he's willing to diss people that dissed him.

    JT

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    RonSonic said:
    (666) said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    He's only 33, it takes many guys a little longer to outgrow that [censored].

    I'm 50, and I can't think of any great words to characterize the NYC
    suburb in which I spent the majority of my HS years, but maybe I'll
    "outgrow" that [censored] as well 🙂

    Could it be that Plano is and was to a degree as he described? His
    recollections could be applied to just about any suburb.

  6. "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    Very cool that he's willing to diss people that dissed him.

    Yeah, not many people are willing to do that. Right.

  7. "666" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    PLANO - New York City has had an official Lance Armstrong Day, and
    Austin has had two.

    But here in the town where the cycling star was raised, Armstrong's
    name is as apt to invoke expressions of discomfort and regret as
    celebration, even as he closed in this week on an unprecedented sixth
    straight win in the Tour de France.

    "If they held a Lance Armstrong Day, he'd probably boycott it," said
    Jack English, principal of Bending Oaks High School in Dallas, from
    which Armstrong graduated in 1989.

    In fact, Plano officials invited Armstrong back on at least four
    occasions in 1999 and 2000 to celebrate his own day and to name a
    hike-and-bike trail in his honor. "We never received a response, so we
    dropped the effort," said Don Wendell, director of parks and
    recreation. "In his book, he wasn't very complimentary about us."

    That's putting it mildly.

    In his ghostwritten 2000 autobiography, It's Not About the Bike,
    Armstrong calls this Dallas suburb of 240,000 residents
    "soul-deadening" and conformist to a fault.

    Born in Dallas, Armstrong moved with his family to an apartment in
    suburban Richardson, then to a house in Plano, when he was young.

    "It was the quintessential American suburb, with strip malls, perfect
    grid streets and faux-antebellum country clubs in between empty brown
    wasted fields," he writes. "It was populated by guys in golf shirts
    and Sansabelt pants and women in bright fake gold jewelry, and
    alienated teenagers."

    If you were not upper middle class or a football player, he writes,
    "you didn't exist."

    As the son of a secretary, who raised him as a single parent, and as
    an aspiring athlete with little hand-eye coordination and no skill at
    moving laterally, he was neither.

    "I felt shunned at times," he recalls in the book. "I was the guy who
    did weird sports and who didn't wear the right labels." Kids in the
    "social" group made fun of his Lycra shorts.

    His adolescent resentments became fuel for his competitive fire, he
    writes. "Back then I was just a kid with about four chips on his
    shoulder, thinking, 'Maybe if I ride my bike on this road long enough
    it will take me out of here.' "

    Armstrong's most pointed criticism he saves for Plano East Senior High
    School, "one of the largest and most football-crazed high schools in
    the state."

    In the second semester of his senior year, he was invited by the U.S.
    Cycling Federation to train for the next season's Junior World
    Championships, his first big international bike race.

    School administrators objected to him missing six weeks of school, and
    told him and his mother he would not graduate if he skipped school to
    train. "I knew damned well that if I played football and wore Polo
    shirts and had parents who belonged to the Los Rios Country Club,
    things would be different," Armstrong recalled 11 years later.

    His mother persuaded Bending Oaks High School, a tiny private school
    located in a north Dallas office park, to give Armstrong credit for
    his 3 1/2 years at Plano high schools, and after just a few months in
    attendance he earned his diploma.

    Within a year, he moved to Austin and has lived there since, when not
    training in France, California or Spain, where Armstrong, now an
    international celebrity with a rock-star girlfriend, also has a house.

    "It's a disappointment," said Rick Gurney, owner of Plano Cycling and
    Fitness bike shop. "We have someone who we should be able to claim as
    our own but he's not willing to give us that. I think his book gives a
    reasonable explanation about his feelings, though it's not one any of
    us would like to hear."

    Gurney's shop is plastered with posters of Armstrong and products he
    endorses: bikes, helmets, sunglasses, clothing.

    Even if it is unrequited, "we love Lance," said Chris Mathews,
    president of the Plano Bicycle Association. "We have 200 members out
    there every Saturday morning trying to be just like him."

    At Richardson Bike Mart, in an adjacent suburb, manager Woody Smith
    said he did not think people and cyclists in Plano and Richardson are
    more interested in Armstrong's Tour de France bid than they are
    elsewhere in the state. "I thought people would be doing more," he
    said.

    The store held a Tour-watching party last weekend and plans to hold
    another this weekend, as the race ends.

    On Wednesday, as Armstrong solidified his lead in the Tour by winning
    a time trial up the mountain switchbacks of L'Alpe d'Huez,
    administrators at Plano East were setting up their offices for the
    start of another school year.

    None wanted to talk about Armstrong, the most successful athlete the
    school ever produced.

    "Nobody has anything they want to share," said Debbie Weaver, the
    office administrator. Around the school's main lobby there are track
    and football trophies, and not a hint of Armstrong.

    <<SNIP>>

    Quoted message said:

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------


    -----

    In other words, "Sure we treated him like [censored] as a kid and we still do, but
    hey, that doesn't mean he shouldn't kiss our ass."

  8. RonSonic said:
    (666) said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    He's only 33, it takes many guys a little longer to outgrow that [censored].

    Ron

    I'm 44 and have got back for highschool reunions 0 times. The way Lance
    describes Plano East HS pretty much fits the school I graduated from.
    If you weren't from a rich family or a jock you were invisible, or even
    weird. It's hard to feel any strong desire to go back and see a bunch
    of people who were jerks to you ages ago, I would be as well off just
    standing on a sidewalk, greeting people and shaking their hands. I have
    since met a few people I went to school with, though now I've left that
    city and it struck me as odd that some of them actually remembered me,
    though we were never friends, much less acquantances.

  9. "SteveR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    RonSonic said:
    (666) said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    He's only 33, it takes many guys a little longer to outgrow that [censored].

    I'm 50, and I can't think of any great words to characterize the NYC
    suburb in which I spent the majority of my HS years, but maybe I'll
    "outgrow" that [censored] as well 🙂

    Could it be that Plano is and was to a degree as he described? His
    recollections could be applied to just about any suburb.

    Yeah, I lived there in the late 80's; used to see him around on the
    occasional Bike Mart ride or such. Sounds pretty close to me. And no, it
    doesn't make it at all unusual; it's just some suburb where a kid for
    whatever reason didn't fit in, so he found another path. One which seems to
    have gone pretty well for that particular kid... ;-)

  10. John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    Very cool that he's willing to diss people that dissed him.

    JT

    What? You didn't know Lance could carry a grudge? (note: not talking
    about where you park your car)

  11. "SteveR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    RonSonic said:
    (666) said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    He's only 33, it takes many guys a little longer to outgrow that [censored].

    I'm 50, and I can't think of any great words to characterize the NYC
    suburb in which I spent the majority of my HS years, but maybe I'll
    "outgrow" that [censored] as well 🙂

    Could it be that Plano is and was to a degree as he described? His
    recollections could be applied to just about any suburb.

    Plano is a hellhole, and exactly what Lance says. Its tacky little suburban
    facade disquises the fact that it's a hotbed of heroin and coke smuggling
    and dealing, that just about the leads the world in teenage drug deaths in
    the last few years.

  12. This reminds me of Janis Joplin on the [censored] Cavet show telling him that she
    was going back to her high school reunion in Port Arthur, Texas. She just
    said, Yup, Janis is go'in back." The smirk on her face said more than the
    words ever could.

    "666" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    PLANO - New York City has had an official Lance Armstrong Day, and
    Austin has had two.

    But here in the town where the cycling star was raised, Armstrong's
    name is as apt to invoke expressions of discomfort and regret as
    celebration, even as he closed in this week on an unprecedented sixth
    straight win in the Tour de France.

    "If they held a Lance Armstrong Day, he'd probably boycott it," said
    Jack English, principal of Bending Oaks High School in Dallas, from
    which Armstrong graduated in 1989.

    In fact, Plano officials invited Armstrong back on at least four
    occasions in 1999 and 2000 to celebrate his own day and to name a
    hike-and-bike trail in his honor. "We never received a response, so we
    dropped the effort," said Don Wendell, director of parks and
    recreation. "In his book, he wasn't very complimentary about us."

    That's putting it mildly.

    In his ghostwritten 2000 autobiography, It's Not About the Bike,
    Armstrong calls this Dallas suburb of 240,000 residents
    "soul-deadening" and conformist to a fault.

    Born in Dallas, Armstrong moved with his family to an apartment in
    suburban Richardson, then to a house in Plano, when he was young.

    "It was the quintessential American suburb, with strip malls, perfect
    grid streets and faux-antebellum country clubs in between empty brown
    wasted fields," he writes. "It was populated by guys in golf shirts
    and Sansabelt pants and women in bright fake gold jewelry, and
    alienated teenagers."

    If you were not upper middle class or a football player, he writes,
    "you didn't exist."

    As the son of a secretary, who raised him as a single parent, and as
    an aspiring athlete with little hand-eye coordination and no skill at
    moving laterally, he was neither.

    "I felt shunned at times," he recalls in the book. "I was the guy who
    did weird sports and who didn't wear the right labels." Kids in the
    "social" group made fun of his Lycra shorts.

    His adolescent resentments became fuel for his competitive fire, he
    writes. "Back then I was just a kid with about four chips on his
    shoulder, thinking, 'Maybe if I ride my bike on this road long enough
    it will take me out of here.' "

    Armstrong's most pointed criticism he saves for Plano East Senior High
    School, "one of the largest and most football-crazed high schools in
    the state."

    In the second semester of his senior year, he was invited by the U.S.
    Cycling Federation to train for the next season's Junior World
    Championships, his first big international bike race.

    School administrators objected to him missing six weeks of school, and
    told him and his mother he would not graduate if he skipped school to
    train. "I knew damned well that if I played football and wore Polo
    shirts and had parents who belonged to the Los Rios Country Club,
    things would be different," Armstrong recalled 11 years later.

    His mother persuaded Bending Oaks High School, a tiny private school
    located in a north Dallas office park, to give Armstrong credit for
    his 3 1/2 years at Plano high schools, and after just a few months in
    attendance he earned his diploma.

    Within a year, he moved to Austin and has lived there since, when not
    training in France, California or Spain, where Armstrong, now an
    international celebrity with a rock-star girlfriend, also has a house.

    "It's a disappointment," said Rick Gurney, owner of Plano Cycling and
    Fitness bike shop. "We have someone who we should be able to claim as
    our own but he's not willing to give us that. I think his book gives a
    reasonable explanation about his feelings, though it's not one any of
    us would like to hear."

    Gurney's shop is plastered with posters of Armstrong and products he
    endorses: bikes, helmets, sunglasses, clothing.

    Even if it is unrequited, "we love Lance," said Chris Mathews,
    president of the Plano Bicycle Association. "We have 200 members out
    there every Saturday morning trying to be just like him."

    At Richardson Bike Mart, in an adjacent suburb, manager Woody Smith
    said he did not think people and cyclists in Plano and Richardson are
    more interested in Armstrong's Tour de France bid than they are
    elsewhere in the state. "I thought people would be doing more," he
    said.

    The store held a Tour-watching party last weekend and plans to hold
    another this weekend, as the race ends.

    Armstrong's family got a deal from the store's owner, Jim Hoyt, on his
    first bike, a Schwinn, when he was 7 years old, and Hoyt has remained
    an Armstrong friend. "We have a pretty big Lance shrine," said Smith.
    In 1989 and 1990, Armstrong rode for the store's team in his first
    professional stint.

    On Wednesday, as Armstrong solidified his lead in the Tour by winning
    a time trial up the mountain switchbacks of L'Alpe d'Huez,
    administrators at Plano East were setting up their offices for the
    start of another school year.

    None wanted to talk about Armstrong, the most successful athlete the
    school ever produced.

    "Nobody has anything they want to share," said Debbie Weaver, the
    office administrator. Around the school's main lobby there are track
    and football trophies, and not a hint of Armstrong.

    "I haven't read his book," said Weaver. "But I've heard a little about
    what's in it."

    Meanwhile, the Tour de France was front-and-center on TV in the small
    reception room that makes up the main entry of Bending Oaks.

    "We've been following it very closely all through July and it's
    brought back a few alumni," said Doug McNamara, the school's
    president. "Lance coming to this school is pretty much an untold
    story. People are constantly telling us we should exploit it more."

    He said he has resisted.

    "We're a tiny school and we're so proud of him," McNamara said. "He
    was trying to find himself at that age like so many kids. It was on a
    bike that he did."

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------


    -----

  13. Leisa said:


    "666" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    Quoted message said:


    Born in Dallas, Armstrong moved with his family to an apartment in
    suburban Richardson, then to a house in Plano, when he was young.

    "It was the quintessential American suburb, with strip malls, perfect
    grid streets and faux-antebellum country clubs in between empty brown
    wasted fields," he writes. "It was populated by guys in golf shirts
    and Sansabelt pants and women in bright fake gold jewelry, and
    alienated teenagers."

    If you were not upper middle class or a football player, he writes,
    "you didn't exist."

    He described Plano pretty accurately. Burleson is the same way, on a
    smaller, cheaper, white-trash scale.It's a little Plano-wannabe.

    Leisa


    Yeah. Not a lot to it. I grew up in Richardson. My parents had a shop
    in Plano. I left and moved to Austin the first chance I had. Almost a
    carbon copy of the childhood and young adult life. I know exactly
    where Lance is coming from but I did it 10 years before him.

    If you don't play High school sports, you do drugs, or drink, or if
    your smart... find a worthwhile hobby like cycling. All too many in
    that sort of environment choose one of the former rather than the
    latter. (Mine was Motocross) I went back to visit my friends every
    chance I had for a few years but after a while they all assimilated
    into the society that we all hated so much. They turned into "them."
    Several wound up dead. I haven't been back there in 20 years and don't
    miss a thing. I have one friend I still remain in contact with.

    I didn't take me long to get over it. Austin used to be a wonderful
    place. I don't think he "Hates Plano, Texas." He just couldn't care
    less about Plano, Texas. Lance seemed to be a loner and he has nothing
    there in Plano. Never had anything there to begin with. He owes "them"
    not
    hing.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    666 said:

    In his ghostwritten 2000 autobiography, It's Not About the Bike,
    Armstrong calls this Dallas suburb of 240,000 residents
    "soul-deadening" and conformist to a fault.

    If you've ever seen Plano, you surely understand this.

  15. SteveR said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    RonSonic said:
    (666) said:

    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    He's only 33, it takes many guys a little longer to outgrow that [censored].

    I'm 50, and I can't think of any great words to characterize the NYC
    suburb in which I spent the majority of my HS years, but maybe I'll
    "outgrow" that [censored] as well 🙂

    Hey, I went to the same oversized, football-obsessed, dehumanizing high school
    in the same [censored] suburb, except on the outskirts of Cleveland. I'm not quite
    50, so neener neener, I beat you to it.

    Quoted message said:

    Could it be that Plano is and was to a degree as he described? His
    recollections could be applied to just about any suburb.

    I don't think he's lying about the place, just lacking some perspective. Every
    place is like that to some extent or has it's local version of the problems he
    had there.

    Ron

  16. John Forrest Tomlinson said:

    On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:39:04 GMT, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    Very cool that he's willing to diss people that dissed him.

    Yeah, not many people are willing to do that. Right.

    I wasn't clear. A lot of people will not do that when the former
    dissers suck up in a big way, which the people of Plano seem to be
    doing. But he doesn't care. That's cool.

    JT

    Yeah. No hard feelings, really. Just couldn't care less about them.
    That's what you learn to do coming up from a place like that. Just
    shrug it off and move on.

  17. On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:39:04 GMT, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    Very cool that he's willing to diss people that dissed him.

    Yeah, not many people are willing to do that. Right.

    I wasn't clear. A lot of people will not do that when the former
    dissers suck up in a big way, which the people of Plano seem to be
    doing. But he doesn't care. That's cool.

    JT

  18. "Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    ... I have
    since met a few people I went to school with, though now I've left that
    city and it struck me as odd that some of them actually remembered me,
    though we were never friends, much less acquantances.

    I guess that goes to show you that people mature over the years. Maybe it's
    time that YOU do the same...

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  19. "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:39:04 GMT, "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    Very cool that he's willing to diss people that dissed him.

    Yeah, not many people are willing to do that. Right.

    I wasn't clear. A lot of people will not do that when the former
    dissers suck up in a big way, which the people of Plano seem to be
    doing. But he doesn't care. That's cool.

    With you on that one.

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    Houston Chronicle
    July 23, 2004

    To Lance, hometown just a bad memory
    Armstrong grew to detest Plano in high school years
    By THOMAS KOROSEC

    PLANO - New York City has had an official Lance Armstrong Day, and
    Austin has had two.

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    I can testify since I lived and worked there for close to 10 years.
    Evervbody in town never met a rightwing fundamentalist christian they
    didn't love. They have a Baptist church there that is the size of Madison
    Square Garden. The reason they had those heroin problems with the rich kids
    is because their parents are so screwed up with their money and telling
    their kids all answers are in the Bible.
    Like Armstrong I moved to Austin, the only good place to live in Texas.

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