Lance after L-B-L

like 'at the end, I wasn't motivated ' ?

...again. It seems that for Lance 2003 riding away from others on a hill is all about 'motivation'.
My guess is Carmichael has been replaced by Ken Papai.

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Has anyone seen any comments from Lance Armstrong, comment on Tyler's victory in L-B-L?

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Has anyone seen any comments from Lance Armstrong, comment on Tyler's victory in L-B-L?

He headed for the south of France immediately after the race, without speaking with reporters.
Hamilton said some nice things about Armstrong and USPS, however.

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like 'at the end, I wasn't motivated ' ?

...again. It seems that for Lance 2003 riding away from others on a hill is all about
'motivation'. My guess is Carmichael has been replaced by Ken Papai.

Carmichael does not coach LA or advise him on how to train. Ken? Maybe.

-WG

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Has anyone seen any comments from Lance Armstrong, comment on Tyler's victory in L-B-L?

He headed for the south of France immediately after the race, without speaking with reporters.
Hamilton said some nice things about Armstrong

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USPS, however.

Perhaps because he wants a podium spot in the tour?

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"Oscar Mannheim" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Has anyone seen any comments from Lance Armstrong, comment on Tyler's victory in L-B-L?

He headed for the south of France immediately after the race, without speaking with reporters.
Hamilton said some nice things about Armstrong

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USPS, however.

Perhaps because he wants a podium spot in the tour?

I'm sure he does. But perhaps my point was a bit too subtle. Hamilton was gracious in victory. I
think Armstrong wasn't particularly gracious in defeat. I was thinking about that look on Venus
Williams' face when Serena won the US Open the first time.

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Perhaps because he wants a podium spot in the tour?

I'm sure he does. But perhaps my point was a bit too subtle. Hamilton was gracious in victory. I
think Armstrong wasn't particularly gracious in defeat.

Yes it's kind of strange. Hamilton was extremely important to Armstrong's earlier Tour success. And
after what I know they never had the "problems" Livingston and Lance had. So now when Hamilton wins
his biggest win in his carer, you would expect Armstrong to show a little more interest.

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"Oscar Mannheim" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Has anyone seen any comments from Lance Armstrong, comment on

Tyler's

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> victory in L-B-L?

He headed for the south of France immediately after the race, without speaking with reporters.
Hamilton said some nice things about

Armstrong

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USPS, however.

Perhaps because he wants a podium spot in the tour?

I'm sure he does. But perhaps my point was a bit too subtle. Hamilton was gracious in victory. I
think Armstrong wasn't particularly gracious in defeat. I was thinking about that look on Venus
Williams' face when Serena won the US Open the first time.

Thinking about it, it's also a subtle insult to call someone the strongest when he actually finished
20th. But in any case I don't believe Hamilton was just trying to be gracious. Perhaps he is trying
a psychological trick: Armstrong needs anger to win, so praising him might work in the opposite
direction.

As for Armstrong's behaviour: isn't this what we've come to expect from him? I thought his attitude
after the Hautacam and Ventoux stages in 2000 was the same as after this year's LBL. We haven't
really witnessed something new.

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Tyler's

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> He headed for the south of France immediately after the race,

without

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> speaking with reporters. Hamilton said some nice things about

Armstrong

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Perhaps because he wants a podium spot in the tour?

I'm sure he does. But perhaps my point was a bit too subtle. Hamilton

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gracious in victory. I think Armstrong wasn't particularly gracious in defeat. I was thinking
about that look on Venus Williams' face when

Serena

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won the US Open the first time.

Thinking about it, it's also a subtle insult to call someone the strongest when he actually
finished 20th. But in any case I don't believe Hamilton

was

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just trying to be gracious. Perhaps he is trying a psychological trick: Armstrong needs anger to
win, so praising him might work in the opposite direction.

As for Armstrong's behaviour: isn't this what we've come to expect from

him?

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I thought his attitude after the Hautacam and Ventoux stages in 2000 was

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same as after this year's LBL. We haven't really witnessed something new.

If a rider is disappointed at the outcome of a race, I think not saying anything is a wise thing to
do until one has a chance to reflect and accept the outcome.

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As for Armstrong's behaviour: isn't this what we've come to expect from

him?

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I thought his attitude after the Hautacam and Ventoux stages in 2000 was

the

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same as after this year's LBL. We haven't really witnessed something new.

But this was one of his best friends winning.

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Thinking about it, it's also a subtle insult to call someone the strongest when he actually
finished 20th. But in any case I don't believe Hamilton

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just trying to be gracious. Perhaps he is trying a psychological trick: Armstrong needs anger to
win, so praising him might work in the opposite direction.

Minor point, but when he said that quote, Tyler didn't know exactly where Armstrong had finished.
He's also a straight up and down guy - there was no insult intended when he said he thought Lance
was the strongest guy in the race. It may have been an incorrect statement, but he wasn't trying any
psychological tricks, as he was still coming to terms with the fact that he won. He also said on
more than one occasion that he would have been happy for Lance to win, because he was a good
friend (while at the same time being disappointed he wasn't in the break). Also I don't think it
was Tyler who instigated the CSC chase behind Armstrong, it was Bjarne Riis.

I'm hoping what we saw in the last two weekends is an indication of a more competitive Tour de
France, but I guess we won't know that until June.

cheers, Jeff

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If a rider is disappointed at the outcome of a race, I think not

saying

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anything is a wise thing to do until one has a chance to reflect and

accept

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the outcome.

Now if we could only get you to do that with your posts.