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  1. Kathy in NZ said:
    Boron Elgar said:

    Early in the spring I had written to a local farm that raises lambs
    to reserve one for the fall, as they are ready for market near the
    end of October. I never heard back and forgot about it altogether.

    Yesterday I got an email asking me to confirm my reservation and tell
    them how I want the lamb cut. OH BOY!

    This will be a lovely fall with legs, rack, shoulder chops, shanks
    and stew meat. I am quite jazzed! The freezer needed cleaning out
    anyway.

    Yum!

    Boron

    Mary had a little lamb
    Her little lamb was dead
    It followed her to school one day
    Between two hunks of bread

    Hmmm - maybe we Aussies are more violent.. but I was brought up with a
    slight variation on that one:

    Mary had a little lamb
    Her father shot it dead
    And now it follows her to school
    Between two hunks of bread

    😉

    --
    aus.food - open for business !

  2. "Ms Leebee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ophelia said:

    "Kathy in NZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sacrilege! Don't remove the meat from the bones. Serve it bones and
    all, pick up the bones afterwards and chew on them. Don't neglect the
    marrow.

    Also very nice are roasted lamb shanks, cooked exactly the same way
    as roast lamb except you do need to cook them well otherwise they
    can be tough (lots of muscle meat and sinew there). Cook at a lower
    temperature till meat starts separating from bone.

    These work ok in the slow cooker too

    Ok ?
    try "fabulous" 😉

    all that gluteney goodness .. mmmm

    Fair point🙂)

  3. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Boron Elgar

    Quoted message said:

    Early in the spring I had written to a local farm that raises lambs
    to reserve one for the fall, as they are ready for market near the
    end of October. I never heard back and forgot about it altogether.

    Yesterday I got an email asking me to confirm my reservation and tell
    them how I want the lamb cut. OH BOY!

    This will be a lovely fall with legs, rack, shoulder chops, shanks
    and stew meat. I am quite jazzed! The freezer needed cleaning out
    anyway.

    Yum!

    Boron

    She scores!! Good on you. I've never cooked lamb in my life. I
    had a shank a couple weeks ago at a fabulous restaurant in St. Cloud
    (story on my website - Cafe Renaissance). I'm scared to cook it.

    Lamb is wonderful! Can't believe you're afraid of it 🙂 I first tasted
    lamb (kabobs) when I went on a date in 1976 at some French place in


    midtown,

    Quoted message said:

    Memphis. The server gently suggested I might like it prepared


    medium-rare.

    Quoted message said:

    How right he was!

    Since then I have prepared lamb loin chops (the shoulder chops are too
    costly for what little bit you get); and lamb shanks, but never a whole


    leg

    Quoted message said:

    of lamb. No need for that much meat here nor the freezer space.

    The shanks are great, like big turkey drumsticks, except, well... it's


    lamb.

    <Snip tasty sounding recipe!>

    I must agree about the shanks - one of my favourite cuts, especially when
    cooked really long and slow in wine etc. (red wine my favourite) so that
    even the slightest knock while serving it up has all the meat fall off the
    bone! First time I had it like that they called it 'Lamb Pullman', likely
    their own naming.

    This recipe sounds good to me too, although unless these are very small
    shanks, the 1 1/4 hours doesn't seem quite long enough to me:

    Slow-cooked lamb with gratin of white beans

    4 large cloves of garlic, peeled
    1 teaspoon cumin seeds
    1 teaspoon fennel seeds
    1 tablespoon chopped thyme
    Olive oil
    6 lamb shanks, french trimmed
    250ml dry white wine
    1½ cups chicken stock
    Gratin of white beans
    300g (1½ cups) dried white beans, soaked in cold water overnight, then
    drained
    2 dried bay leaves
    Olive oil
    1 onion, chopped
    2 cloves of garlic, chopped
    4 tomatoes, peeled, seeded and chopped
    250ml (1 cup) beef stock
    2 tablespoons chopped flat-leaf parsley
    140g (2 cups) day-old breadcrumbs
    30g butter, melted

    Method

    Combine garlic, cumin and fennel seeds, thyme and a good pinch of salt
    in a mortar and pound with a pestle until a paste forms, then stir in 1
    tablespoon olive oil. Using a small sharp knife, make small incisions in
    lamb and push half the paste mixture into the incisions, then rub the
    remaining mixture over lamb. Cover and refrigerate for 2 hours, then bring
    to room temperature 30 minutes before cooking.
    Heat 2 tablespoons olive oil in a heavy-based casserole and brown
    lamb, in batches, over medium heat. Remove lamb from pan and add wine and
    stock to pan and bring to the boil, stirring to remove any pieces stuck to
    bottom of pan. Return lamb to pan, cover and cook at 160C for 1¼ hours or
    until lamb is very tender. Remove lamb from pan, skim fat from surface of
    cooking liquid, reduce cooking liquid, if necessary, to a good sauce
    consistency, then season to taste. Return lamb to pan and gently heat
    through.
    Meanwhile for gratin of white beans, add drained beans and bay leaves
    to a saucepan of simmering water and simmer over low heat for 30 minutes or
    until beans are just cooked. Heat 2 tablespoons olive oil in a frying pan
    and cook onion over low heat until soft, add garlic, tomatoes and stock and
    cook over high heat until stock is reduced by half. Season to taste and stir
    in parsley and beans. Place bean mixture into a 6-cup capacity ceramic
    ovenproof dish. Toss breadcrumbs with melted butter and spoon over beans.
    Stand for 30 minutes, to allow flavours to develop, then bake at 160C for 30
    minutes or until crust is browned. Serve lamb with gratin of white beans
    with pan juices drizzled over.

    __________

    This talk of lamb is having me want to make a lamb shank and red wine dish
    this w/e now... hmmm...!

    ',;~}~

    Shaun aRe

  4. Melba's Jammin said:
    (Victor Sack) said:

    Chanakhi
    Lamb and Vegetables baked in an Earthenware Casserole

    Sorry, Sweetpea, but I don't see much hope for this dish from my
    kitchen.

    What a shame! :-(

    Quoted message said:

    1) I don't have an unglazed eathernware casserole; 2) Rob
    hates cilantro; 3) he won't eat eggplant, either. :-0(

    Divorce him at once!

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds
    pretty good to me, though. What do you recommend as a substitute for an
    unglazed earthenware casserole with a tight-fitting lid?

    1) For most any other dish, substitute any other oven-proof casserole.
    For chanakhi, though, nothing but a clay pot would suffice, even if only
    because the dish is named after just such a pot... 2) For cilantro
    substitute parsley (which is already present in the dish), as well as
    basil; 3) for eggplant there is no adequate substitute, but try some
    kind of pumpkin or squash... at least the texture will be somewhat
    similar... or leave it out altogether... :-(

    Earthenware pots are some of the very best vessels for the stew type of
    dishes available - and the most ancient kinds of such vessels, too. It
    is worth owning at least one - it will open up one's horizons in more
    than one direction... You could make, for example, Alsatian baeckeofe
    which is traditionally cooked in a clay pot. Most recipes call for
    mixed meat, but lamb (for example shoulder) only can be used, too. No
    cilantro or eggplant in the dish.

    Bubba

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, cathyxyz
    <[email hidden]> wrote:
    (snippage)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Can't tell the tone there. It's fun, that's all. Famous I've got
    covered. I'm still waiting for rich.

    Sorry, forgot the smiley.... Well, when the *rich* part comes along I
    hope you will share with your friends?

    In the words of a famous local radio personality: "Get your own show!"
    --
    -Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-26-05

  6. Just sharing my stepmama's wonderful lamb stew recipe. What is nice
    about it is that it can be prepared the day before, and you know how
    things like this only improve when eaten the next day.
    Lovely lovely stuff 🙂

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Spring Lamb Ragout

    Recipe By :
    Serving Size : 10 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : Soups & Stews Lamb

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    6 tablespoons vegetable oil
    4 large onions -- chopped
    6 cloves garlic -- chopped
    1 1/2 teaspoons sugar
    5 pounds lamb stew meat -- 1 inch cubes
    salt and pepper
    1/2 cup flour
    4 tomatoes -- peeled, seeded, chop
    1 1/2 cups chicken stock
    1 cup beef stock
    3/4 cup dry white wine
    2 tablespoons chopped fresh rosemary -- or 2 tsp. dried
    1 tablespoon tomato paste
    1 teaspoon dried thyme -- crumbled
    2 bay leaves
    5 tablespoons butter
    12 ounces mushrooms -- sliced
    9 ounces frozen artichoke hearts -- thawed and quartered
    3 small zucchini -- 1/2-inch cubes
    3/4 cup kalamata or black olives
    3 tablespoons minced fresh parsley

    Position oven rack in lower 1/3 of oven and heat to 350 degrees.
    Heat 2 T. oil in large dutch oven over medium heat. Add onions and
    garlic. Cook til soft and translucent.
    Sprinkle with sugar and cook till lightly browned- about 5 minutes.
    Transfer to bowl and set aside.
    Add 4 T. oil to same pan and heat over medium heat. Season lamb with
    salt and pepper, dredge in flour.
    Add lamb to pot (in batches if necessary) and cook till brown. About 6
    min. Add any extra flour to the pan and stir one minute.
    Add onion-garlic mixture, tomatoes, both stocks, wine, rosemary, tomatoe
    paste, thyme and bay leaves. Stir to combine.
    Bake in oven till lamb tender, about 65 min.
    Melt butter in heavy skillet. Add mushrooms and saute till golden. About
    8 min.
    Add artichockes and zucchini and saute till tender, about 5 minutes.
    Stir into Stew.
    *Can be prepared 1 day in advance and reheated over medium heat)
    Mix in olives and garnish with parsley.

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

  7. One time on Usenet said:

    Just sharing my stepmama's wonderful lamb stew recipe. What is nice
    about it is that it can be prepared the day before, and you know how
    things like this only improve when eaten the next day.
    Lovely lovely stuff 🙂

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Spring Lamb Ragout

    <snip>

    Oh, that does sound lovely! I've only had lamb once -- a gamey
    tasting leg of lamb at a friend's house -- but I've been reassurred
    that it's usually pretty good. I've seen lamb stew meat at my local
    stupidmarket and wondered what one could do with it. This would make
    a nice dinner, and lots of leftovers for Miguel's lunch (he won't
    eat sammiches). Thanks for sharing... :-)

    --
    Jani in WA (S'mee)
    ~ mom, Trollup, novice cook ~

  8. One time on Usenet said:

    On Thu 29 Sep 2005 09:55:54p, S'mee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    One time on Usenet said:

    Just sharing my stepmama's wonderful lamb stew recipe. What is nice
    about it is that it can be prepared the day before, and you know how
    things like this only improve when eaten the next day.
    Lovely lovely stuff 🙂

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Spring Lamb Ragout

    <snip>

    Oh, that does sound lovely! I've only had lamb once -- a gamey
    tasting leg of lamb at a friend's house -- but I've been reassurred
    that it's usually pretty good. I've seen lamb stew meat at my local
    stupidmarket and wondered what one could do with it. This would make
    a nice dinner, and lots of leftovers for Miguel's lunch (he won't
    eat sammiches). Thanks for sharing... :-)

    You might find lamb stew meat stronger flavored and perhaps more gamey than
    some other cuts. Lamb chops or rack of lamb usually have a much more
    delicate flavor. One of my favorites is lamb shanks. They work
    beautifully in braised dishes.

    Thanks for the tip, Wayne -- I'll keep this in mind. I grew up on
    wild meat (venison, moose, game birds), so a little gaminess (sp?)
    isn't bad, if not my favorite. But that leg of lamb was just nasty...

    --
    Jani in WA (S'mee)
    ~ mom, Trollup, novice cook ~

  9. On Thu 29 Sep 2005 09:55:54p, S'mee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    One time on Usenet said:

    Just sharing my stepmama's wonderful lamb stew recipe. What is nice
    about it is that it can be prepared the day before, and you know how
    things like this only improve when eaten the next day.
    Lovely lovely stuff 🙂

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Spring Lamb Ragout

    <snip>

    Oh, that does sound lovely! I've only had lamb once -- a gamey
    tasting leg of lamb at a friend's house -- but I've been reassurred
    that it's usually pretty good. I've seen lamb stew meat at my local
    stupidmarket and wondered what one could do with it. This would make
    a nice dinner, and lots of leftovers for Miguel's lunch (he won't
    eat sammiches). Thanks for sharing... :-)

    You might find lamb stew meat stronger flavored and perhaps more gamey than
    some other cuts. Lamb chops or rack of lamb usually have a much more
    delicate flavor. One of my favorites is lamb shanks. They work
    beautifully in braised dishes.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________

    http://tinypic.com/dzijap.jpg

    Popie-In-The-Bowl

  10. On Thu 29 Sep 2005 10:19:40p, S'mee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    One time on Usenet said:

    On Thu 29 Sep 2005 09:55:54p, S'mee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    One time on Usenet, Goomba38 <[email hidden]> said:

    > Just sharing my stepmama's wonderful lamb stew recipe. What is nice
    > about it is that it can be prepared the day before, and you know how
    > things like this only improve when eaten the next day.
    > Lovely lovely stuff 🙂
    >
    > * Exported from MasterCook *
    >
    > Spring Lamb Ragout

    <snip>

    Oh, that does sound lovely! I've only had lamb once -- a gamey
    tasting leg of lamb at a friend's house -- but I've been reassurred
    that it's usually pretty good. I've seen lamb stew meat at my local
    stupidmarket and wondered what one could do with it. This would make
    a nice dinner, and lots of leftovers for Miguel's lunch (he won't
    eat sammiches). Thanks for sharing... :-)

    You might find lamb stew meat stronger flavored and perhaps more gamey
    than some other cuts. Lamb chops or rack of lamb usually have a much
    more delicate flavor. One of my favorites is lamb shanks. They work
    beautifully in braised dishes.

    Thanks for the tip, Wayne -- I'll keep this in mind. I grew up on
    wild meat (venison, moose, game birds), so a little gaminess (sp?)
    isn't bad, if not my favorite. But that leg of lamb was just nasty...

    The leg might have been from an older lamb. My uncle used to cook the most
    delicious leg of lamb I've ever tasted, but he maintained that it had to be
    "Spring" lamb (read young). Also, if the "fell" hasn't been completely
    removed, it will give a very strong nasty flavor to the meat. This is a
    good article:

    http://tinyurl.com/8l6fs

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    _____________________________

    http://tinypic.com/dzijap.jpg

    Popie-In-The-Bowl

  11. Ms Leebee said:

    Kathy in NZ wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mary had a little lamb
    Her little lamb was dead
    It followed her to school one day
    Between two hunks of bread

    Hmmm - maybe we Aussies are more violent.. but I was brought up with a
    slight variation on that one:

    Mary had a little lamb
    Her father shot it dead
    And now it follows her to school
    Between two hunks of bread


    That was probably our version too. I could only remember the first and
    last lines so made up the rest!!

    On another theme....

    Mary had a little bike
    She bought it for a dollar
    And everywhere the front wheel went
    The back wheel had to follow

  12. Wayne Boatwright said:

    You might find lamb stew meat stronger flavored and perhaps more gamey than
    some other cuts.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*

    I was under the impression from previous newsgroups postings (some
    years back) that American's weren't very familiar with lamb, nor did
    they like the taste. I believe the main complaint was a taste of
    fattiness.

    In NZ, for the animal to be classified as a lamb it must be under 12
    months of age and "not have any permanent incisors in wear", which
    means if the lamb gets permanent incisors early, which it can if the
    season is benign, it's classed as mutton. Our export lamb (if you buy
    NZ lamb) is not allowed to exceed 12.5kg (28lb), so they are pretty
    young and tender. I believe Australian lamb is also of very high
    quality.

    Mutton is a tougher cut, but on the other hand, has more flavour.
    That might be the gamey taste you refer to.

    I won't quibble that roast lamb does taste a bit fatty. Why, I'm not
    sure, because it is a very lean meat, and calorie wise, it's no worse
    than beef (I think, Sheldon!)

    Lamb is readily available here and used to be the main meat consumed
    until user-pays came in. Now we have to pay export prices in our own
    country and personally, I don't buy it often. But it does have that
    special taste that we love, particularly with mint sauce.

    When you look at the price of lamb per kilogram here, it looks
    competitive with other meats but it isn't. There's more bone than in
    pork and chicken cuts, so it works out dearer a roast cut. So lamb is
    very expensive for us, too, compared with other meats. I wait for it
    to go on special.

    Until recently, lamb shanks were virtually a throw-away cut. Now
    restaurants have made them popular and we pay too much for them too,
    maybe NZ$7 for two (about US$5) -- one NZ$=US70c)

    ...... So Damsel in Distress, if you want to try lamb, let me know your
    preferred tastes, and I'll give you a recipe a think might be
    appropriate.

    Kathy

  13. Kathy in NZ said:

    I was under the impression from previous newsgroups postings (some
    years back) that American's weren't very familiar with lamb, nor did
    they like the taste. I believe the main complaint was a taste of
    fattiness.

    Not just the US but Canada too. I remember it being served only once in our
    house when I was a kid. My mother and one of my brothers liked it. My father
    hated lamb, attributed to several years in England during the war when he was
    fed a lot of mutton. Lamb seems to be the sort of thing that people wither
    really love or really hate.

    For a long time, it was rare to see lamb in a supermarket in this part of
    Canada. My wife comes from a family of lamb lovers and used to buy it at a local
    butcher shop. It was also quite expensive. It has become a lot more popular as
    is more widely available now.

    I have to wonder a friend of mine. She likes to hunt, even had a blind set up on
    her property to hunt deer and turkey. She raves about deer meat, but she won't
    eat lamb because it tastes gamy. Go figger.

  14. "Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kathy in NZ said:

    I was under the impression from previous newsgroups postings (some
    years back) that American's weren't very familiar with lamb, nor did
    they like the taste. I believe the main complaint was a taste of
    fattiness.

    Not just the US but Canada too. I remember it being served only once in
    our
    house when I was a kid. My mother and one of my brothers liked it. My
    father
    hated lamb, attributed to several years in England during the war when he
    was
    fed a lot of mutton. Lamb seems to be the sort of thing that people wither
    really love or really hate.

    For a long time, it was rare to see lamb in a supermarket in this part of
    Canada. My wife comes from a family of lamb lovers and used to buy it at a
    local
    butcher shop. It was also quite expensive. It has become a lot more
    popular as
    is more widely available now.

    I have to wonder a friend of mine. She likes to hunt, even had a blind set
    up on
    her property to hunt deer and turkey. She raves about deer meat, but she
    won't
    eat lamb because it tastes gamy. Go figger.

    Perhaps the lamb has been fed rather than grazed - IMO it 'really' makes a
    difference in taste.
    Dee Dee

  15. Dee Randall said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have to wonder a friend of mine. She likes to hunt, even had a blind set
    up on
    her property to hunt deer and turkey. She raves about deer meat, but she
    won't
    eat lamb because it tastes gamy. Go figger.

    Perhaps the lamb has been fed rather than grazed - IMO it 'really' makes a
    difference in taste.

    I just thought that it was ironic that someone who claims to hunt for food would
    complain about a gamy flavour.

  16. Dave Smith said:
    Kathy in NZ said:

    I was under the impression from previous newsgroups postings (some
    years back) that American's weren't very familiar with lamb, nor did
    they like the taste. I believe the main complaint was a taste of
    fattiness.

    Not just the US but Canada too. I remember it being served only once in our
    house when I was a kid. My mother and one of my brothers liked it. My father
    hated lamb, attributed to several years in England during the war when he was
    fed a lot of mutton. Lamb seems to be the sort of thing that people wither
    really love or really hate.

    During WWII everything in the US was rationed (anyone remember ration
    stamps). Most all the beef, pork, and chicken went to the military.
    Mostly all the butchers had to sell was lam, so growing up I ate lots
    of lam, maybe five times a week... I grew to hate it, I mean I HATE
    lam... can't even stand the stench of it. I won't enter any house
    where lam was ever cooked, not any restaurants that serve lam either.
    When I move into a house I have it fumigated and toss the stove out to
    the curb... did that here.

    Quoted message said:

    I have to wonder a friend of mine. She likes to hunt, even had a blind set up on
    her property to hunt deer and turkey. She raves about deer meat, but she won't
    eat lamb because it tastes gamy. Go figger.

    She hunts lam... good!

    Sheldon

  17. Sheldon said:

    During WWII everything in the US was rationed (anyone remember ration
    stamps). Most all the beef, pork, and chicken went to the military.
    Mostly all the butchers had to sell was lam, so growing up I ate lots
    of lam, maybe five times a week... I grew to hate it, I mean I HATE
    lam... can't even stand the stench of it. I won't enter any house
    where lam was ever cooked, not any restaurants that serve lam either.
    When I move into a house I have it fumigated and toss the stove out to
    the curb... did that here.

    "Lamb tastes like old boiled wool..."

    Actually, I like a really good lamb chop. A good one can be sublime. A
    chef friend ocassionally makes a rack of lamb, I am one of the few of the
    gang that will take her up on an invitation, since most don't like lamb very
    much. That just means more for us :-)

    My dad raised sheep on the farm, he won a number of prizes exhibiting them
    at the State Fair. But my mom simply wouldn't have sheep meat in the house
    (this was the 50's), too many Depression memories of ghastly boiled mutton
    ("poor food"😉...I actually first tasted lamb when I moved to Chicawgo.

    Hmmmm...now Sheldon can I come over to yer place and rustle up some lamb
    burgers for ya made out of that fercockt ground lamb "mystery meat" they
    sell at the stoopidmarket...???

    ;-)

    --
    Best
    Greg

  18. Went supermarket shopping today and bought a roast for tomorrow night
    -- leg of lamb, 1.2kg for NZ$13.23 (2.6 lb for US$9.10)

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