Lakes death

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: > GPS is also essential ofcourse in the really big ones for locating your
: > favourite biscuits. (Well, it would be if they didn't keep shifting
: > everything about).
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: Oh, I've just realised they don't work indoors do they? (Crappy, useless
: technology) Or do they? I'm sure someone here can tell me.
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But you can find biscuits at outside venues like Sunday markets.
Bob

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:24:18 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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One day, when I've nothing to do, I'll sit down and work out the typical
urw walker.

Any colour of socks except red.

Smartwool (£14) or Aldi (£2). Depends what mood I'm in.

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Drab clothing.
Two walking poles.

Aldi

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Trainers or sandals and jeans.
No map case.

Ortlieb if you don't mind!

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No bobble hat.
No GPS.
23 year old 1:50,000 map.

With patches of worn-out bits where it has been folded. These always
correspond to where you want to go.

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Magnetic compass.
Always walks alone.
Sets off after dusk.

Generally due to lack of planning and not beeing able to fit
everything in the rucksack.

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No torch.
Plenty of cameras.
Heavy tripod.
Backpack large enough to give silhouette of giant Ninja Turtle.
Attached:
Argos Tent.
Ice axe.
Snow shoes or skis.
Short length of frayed rope ("in case I want to look at a bit of rock"😉.
Belling double-oven cooker.......

And pressure cooker

Judith

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"Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Only for people with a particularly pessimistic outlook on life. Taking

an

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extreme situation, high altitude mountaineeers' extremities can get so

cold

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the flesh freezes and they suffer frostbite without suffering

hypothermia.

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That's reassuring.......

Don't forget your down jacket when you pop out to Tescos and you'll be ok.
(Why do they choose to refrigerate the whole chilled section these days
including the aisles rather than just the food cabinets?)

That must be why I saw a bloke in a mountain hard wear duvet in Tesco
yesterday. I thought he must have been roasting but obviously he had
been in the chilled section for long enough to keep cool.

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Dominic Sexton
http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

Chris Street said:

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:44:45 -0000, AndyP wrote:

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"Chris Street" <[email hidden]> wrote

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A quarter of the bodies blood supply goes to the legs, and due to the fact
that most people have two, there is a large surface area to lose heat

from.

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As soon as you start to get cold the body restricts the bloodflow to your
extremities to conserve heat for your brain and internal organs. So your
legs get a bit cold but the important bits stay warm exactly as a mechanism
to prevent hypothermia.

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Havn't you just described the first stage of hypothermia.....

Well, yes, in the same sense that skipping a meal is the first
stage of starvation.

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"AndyP" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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"theo" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Some years ago I was walking in Coire Gabhail (Glen Coe). At reaching the
snowline I stopped, enjoyed the surroundings and went back down again. I
didn't have crampons and the slope to the col between Bidean nam Bian and
Stob Coire Sgreamhach is very steep. On my way back three young men were
going up. Two were properly dressed but one had jeans and trainers. At
reaching the entrance of Coire Gabhail I saw a rescuehelicopter flying
in.
The next day I heard at the YH that a young man had slipped on the snow,

hit

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some rocks and died.

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Ah the dreaded jeans. Slips on snow are probably generally more to do
with
lack of judgement, care and ice axe rather than choice of clothing for
your
lower body.

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It's not the jeans, it's the trainers he was wearing. Ever tried walking on
icy snow with trainers. Horizontally is difficult, let alone going steep up.
His friends had waterproof clothings and good boots. Clearly a case of :
"We're going hillwalking. Want to join us ?" "But I never..." "It's easy.
Come on. Are you chicken ?"

It's not just the footwear. I've encouraged many inexperienced badly
shod folk up a half hour snowy climb. Sometimes one of the slitherers
who is on the point of giving up has the same size feet as me, so I
swop my boots for their unsuitable footwear. And they go on slithering
and falling about, and I carry on without slithering and falling in
their allegedly rubbish footwear -- of course it's harder in the
rubbish footwear, but I know how to walk in snow, and they don't. It's
clearly a very big difference in skill, and one that can't easily be
communicated in a half hour walk, especially since I don't really know
how I do it. I guess I picked it up in an outdoors scrambling
childhood of the sort that's getting increasingly harder for today's
kids to experience.
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:24:16 -0000, "Bob" <bobdotscarfeattiscali

dotcodotuk said:

But you can find biscuits at outside venues like Sunday markets.

You certainly can! We've got a French market here (Reigate) today, and
I've bought a bag of yummy French biscuits to take into the office
tomorrow. I think I might be popular :-)

Mind you, half the stalls are in the tunnel (a pedestrianised road),
where GPS wouldn't work.

Peter.

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:24:16 -0000, "Bob" <bobdotscarfeattiscali

dotcodotuk said:

But you can find biscuits at outside venues like Sunday markets.

You certainly can! We've got a French market here (Reigate) today, and
I've bought a bag of yummy French biscuits to take into the office
tomorrow. I think I might be popular :-)

Mind you, half the stalls are in the tunnel (a pedestrianised road),
where GPS wouldn't work.

I am NOT going to mention bread-crumb trails.....
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Gordon

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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:24:18 +0000, Gordon <[email hidden]>

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Snow shoes or skis.
Short length of frayed rope ("in case I want to look at a bit of rock"😉.
Belling double-oven cooker.......

A couple of 6 packs

One would be nice. Oh you mean ...

And 7.27 am on Sunday? If you're not in a tent what are you doing up at
that time of day?

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Darren

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:52:20 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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It was shocking to come across this just now, and to realise that as I
was struggling to sleep in my Akto last Friday night a young man was
falling to his death not far away.

http://www.tgomagazine.co.uk/article.asp?pid=376&id=4190

Best wishes,

One of my family was at Bowderdale at the time. He answered the door,
late, to a drunk who needed a phone as his mate had 'fallen off a
mountain' (together with the party's phone and torch). He had to take
him to the campsite to call out the MRT, then they went to Overbeck
bridge and sounded the horn to see if they could get a response.
Eventually they thought they heard a shout, but the drunk had to be
persuaded not to go back up to look for his mate, as he would likely
have ended up a casualty himself.
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Snow shoes or skis.
Short length of frayed rope ("in case I want to look at a bit of rock"😉.
Belling double-oven cooker.......

A couple of 6 packs

One would be nice. Oh you mean ...

:-)

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And 7.27 am on Sunday? If you're not in a tent what are you doing up at
that time of day?

I know! It doesn't seem right getting up so early on a day off!
However, I seem to have developed an irritating habit of not really
getting back to sleep once I've woken up at the w/e, so these days I
just get up and slob in some fashion or other :-)

I was planning to get up to the Lakes this w/e, but on Friday morning
I was so whacked that I couldn't drag myself out of bed early to pack
my things so I decided it was time for a couple of days in pyjamas :-)

Best wishes,
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Any colour of socks except red.

Check.

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Drab clothing.

Check.

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Two walking poles.

Only one.

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Trainers or sandals and jeans.

No.

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No map case.

Check. I gave up on map cases due to their short lives.

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No bobble hat.

Check. (I possess one, but haven't used it for years.)

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No GPS.

Check.

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23 year old 1:50,000 map.

Depends on the area.

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Magnetic compass.

Check.

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Always walks alone.

No.

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Sets off after dusk.

No.

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No torch.

Check. (I might carry one at this time of year.)

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Plenty of cameras.

One is plenty.

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Heavy tripod.

No.

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Backpack large enough to give silhouette of giant Ninja Turtle.
Attached:
Argos Tent.
Ice axe.
Snow shoes or skis.
Short length of frayed rope ("in case I want to look at a bit of rock"😉.
Belling double-oven cooker.......

No.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley

Gordon wrote on Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:42:02 +0000....

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I have had some harrowing trips to the supermarket in T shirt and
shorts.

Possibly even more harrowing for the other people shopping there at
the same time?

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Ne'er mind -
only 4.5 days until the Beacons and I've just finished the routes. :-)

Not that I'm extremely lazy or anything .... but where are you going?

I have a Beacons map in front of me but I haven't a clue where to
start!

Judith

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>Snow shoes or skis.
>Short length of frayed rope ("in case I want to look at a bit of rock"😉.
>Belling double-oven cooker.......
A couple of 6 packs

One would be nice. Oh you mean ...

:-)

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And 7.27 am on Sunday? If you're not in a tent what are you doing up at
that time of day?

I know! It doesn't seem right getting up so early on a day off!
However, I seem to have developed an irritating habit of not really
getting back to sleep once I've woken up at the w/e, so these days I
just get up and slob in some fashion or other :-)

you're excused then!

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I was planning to get up to the Lakes this w/e, but on Friday morning
I was so whacked that I couldn't drag myself out of bed early to pack
my things so I decided it was time for a couple of days in pyjamas :-)

after Friday night I'm afraid that my plans for a big weekend ended up
being a few hour stroll down a local disused railway line. Ne'er mind -
only 4.5 days until the Beacons and I've just finished the routes. :-)
--
Darren

Judith said:

I have a Beacons map in front of me but I haven't a clue where to
start!

I'll email you some details.

Paul
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Darren G said:

Ne'er mind -
only 4.5 days until the Beacons and I've just finished the routes. :-)

Not that I'm extremely lazy or anything .... but where are you going?

I have a Beacons map in front of me but I haven't a clue where to
start!

Judith

check other post - from about 2 mins ago. Psychic or what :-)
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Darren

Tim Jackson <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon wrote on Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:42:02 +0000....

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I have had some harrowing trips to the supermarket in T shirt and
shorts.

Possibly even more harrowing for the other people shopping there at
the same time?

Well... I must admit that one or two old people tripped over my
Alpenstock, and the backpack wrecked a few displays.
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Gordon

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Oh, I've just realised they don't work indoors do they? (Crappy, useless
technology) Or do they? I'm sure someone here can tell me.

the one in my car stops when you go under a bridge.
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Mike Reid
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Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

Stewart Robert Hinsley said:

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Any colour of socks except red.

Check.

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Drab clothing.

Check.

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Two walking poles.

Only one.

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Trainers or sandals and jeans.

yes to trainers and sandals.. Never wear jeans

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No map case.

yes.. Ortleib with an Anquet A4 - Corbet/Graham tops lovingly
waymarked, I know what marilyns I have yet to do.

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No bobble hat.

No

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No GPS.

Yes....

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23 year old 1:50,000 map.

Yes, but now backed up with the Anquet A4

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Magnetic compass.

Yes

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Always walks alone.

Often, but love company

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Sets off after dusk.

Yes, and before dawn too

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No torch.

No... try to have one, so I can read my A4

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Plenty of cameras.

One is plenty.

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Heavy tripod.

No.

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Backpack large enough to give silhouette of giant Ninja Turtle.
Attached:
Argos Tent.

No

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Ice axe.

In my dreams -

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Snow shoes or skis.

If only - has been known

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Short length of frayed rope ("in case I want to look at a bit of rock"😉.

Proper rope when on a cl*mbing trip

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Belling double-oven cooker.......

Whats that then?

Richard Webb

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Plenty of cameras.

One is plenty.

I wish! When someone invents a 20MP digital SLR weighing 500g with a
single small distortion-free high-quality zoom lens with a range of
10-1000mm with 10-stop Image Stabilisation and built in panoramic lens
rotation option, costing less than a couple of grand, please tell me. I
want one!

Until then however...

Clearly I'm not a typical URW walker, unless you measure typicality by
number of posts, in which case...

Paul
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