La Mongie '04 = Arcalis '97 ?

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

After seeing today how strong [Zabel] was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...

Nice work, why don't you put your namet in the brackets instead?
I'm always amazed at how stupid people can be.

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"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

After seeing today how strong [Zabel] was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...

"Keith" <nospam@@4ax.com...

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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

You're definitely a nut.

Here is the lead group today of *70* in case you forgot anonymous:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage10

1 Richard Virenque (Fra) Quick Step-Davitamon 6.00.24
(39.46 km/h)
2 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team 5.19
3 Erik Zabel (Ger) T-Mobile Team
4 Francisco Mancebo Pérez (Spa) Illes Balears - Banesto
5 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
6 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
7 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner
8 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo
9 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Domina Vacanze
10 Pietro Caucchioli (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
11 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
12 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank
13 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC
14 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
15 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team
16 Denis Menchov (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto 5.26
17 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
18 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC
19 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Saeco
20 Iñigo Landaluze (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
21 Santos Gonzalez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
22 Jose Azevedo (Por) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
23 Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Cofidis - Le Crédit Par Téléphone
24 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
25 Aitor Gonzalez Jimenez (Spa) Fassa Bortolo
26 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems
27 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Crédit Agricole
28 Sandy Casar (Fra) Fdjeux.com
29 Laurent Brochard (Fra) AG2R Prévoyance
30 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
31 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick Step-Davitamon
32 Marius Sabaliauskas (Ltu) Saeco
33 Laurent Dufaux (Swi) Quick Step-Davitamon
34 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto
35 Aitor Osa Eizaguirre (Spa) Illes Balears - Banesto
36 Sergio Marinangeli (Ita) Domina Vacanze
37 Michele Bartoli (Ita) Team CSC
38 Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team
39 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC
40 Patrice Halgand (Fra) Crédit Agricole
41 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
42 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
43 Jose Luis Rubiera (Spa) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
44 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros
45 Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano (Spa) Liberty Seguros
46 Iker Flores (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
47 José Enrique Gutierrez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
48 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
49 Marcos Serrano Rodriguez (Spa) Liberty Seguros
50 Santiago Perez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
51 Andrea Noè (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
52 Claus Michael Møller (Den) Alessio-Bianchi 5.38
53 Jakob Piil (Den) Team CSC 5.41
54 Isidro Nozal Vega (Spa) Liberty Seguros 5.44
55 Ronny Scholz (Ger) Gerolsteiner
56 Benoît Salmon (Fra) Crédit Agricole
57 Iker Camaño (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
58 Egoi Martínez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
59 Juan Miguel Mercado (Spa) Quick Step-Davitamon
60 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit Par Téléphone
61 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile Team
62 Alexandre Botcharov (Rus) Crédit Agricole
63 Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Domo
64 Evgueni Petrov (Rus) Saeco
65 George Hincapie (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor 6.00
66 Floyd Landis (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
67 Benjamin Noval (Spa) US Postal p/b Berry Floor 6.04
68 Didier Rous (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère 6.07
69 Jérôme Pineau (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
70 Stéphane Goubert (Fra) AG2R Prévoyance
71 Axel Merckx (Bel) Lotto-Domo 6.18
72 Laurent Lefèvre (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère 6.23

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nice work, why don't you put your namet in the brackets instead?

After seeing today how strong [Jiyang Chen] was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't
be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...

Apparently you missed the point.

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nice work, why don't you put your namet in the brackets instead?
I'm always amazed at how stupid people can be.

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"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

After seeing today how strong [Zabel] was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...

"Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Here is the lead group today of *70* in case you forgot anonymous:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage10

1 Richard Virenque (Fra) Quick Step-Davitamon 6.00.24
(39.46 km/h)
2 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team 5.19
3 Erik Zabel (Ger) T-Mobile Team
4 Francisco Mancebo Pérez (Spa) Illes Balears - Banesto
5 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
6 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
7 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner
8 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo
9 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Domina Vacanze
10 Pietro Caucchioli (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
11 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
12 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank
13 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC
14 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
15 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team
16 Denis Menchov (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto 5.26

I'll bet Menchov got a really hard talking to by the rest of the peloton for
letting that gap open up.

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17 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
18 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC
19 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Saeco
20 Iñigo Landaluze (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
21 Santos Gonzalez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
22 Jose Azevedo (Por) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
23 Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Cofidis - Le Crédit Par Téléphone
24 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
25 Aitor Gonzalez Jimenez (Spa) Fassa Bortolo
26 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems
27 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Crédit Agricole
28 Sandy Casar (Fra) Fdjeux.com
29 Laurent Brochard (Fra) AG2R Prévoyance
30 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
31 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick Step-Davitamon
32 Marius Sabaliauskas (Ltu) Saeco
33 Laurent Dufaux (Swi) Quick Step-Davitamon
34 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto
35 Aitor Osa Eizaguirre (Spa) Illes Balears - Banesto
36 Sergio Marinangeli (Ita) Domina Vacanze
37 Michele Bartoli (Ita) Team CSC
38 Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team
39 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC
40 Patrice Halgand (Fra) Crédit Agricole
41 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
42 Haimar Zubeldia (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
43 Jose Luis Rubiera (Spa) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
44 Roberto Heras Hernandez (Spa) Liberty Seguros
45 Igor Gonzalez de Galdeano (Spa) Liberty Seguros
46 Iker Flores (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
47 José Enrique Gutierrez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
48 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
49 Marcos Serrano Rodriguez (Spa) Liberty Seguros
50 Santiago Perez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
51 Andrea Noè (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
52 Claus Michael Møller (Den) Alessio-Bianchi 5.38
53 Jakob Piil (Den) Team CSC 5.41
54 Isidro Nozal Vega (Spa) Liberty Seguros 5.44
55 Ronny Scholz (Ger) Gerolsteiner
56 Benoît Salmon (Fra) Crédit Agricole
57 Iker Camaño (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
58 Egoi Martínez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
59 Juan Miguel Mercado (Spa) Quick Step-Davitamon
60 David Moncoutié (Fra) Cofidis - Le Crédit Par Téléphone
61 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile Team
62 Alexandre Botcharov (Rus) Crédit Agricole
63 Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Domo
64 Evgueni Petrov (Rus) Saeco
65 George Hincapie (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor 6.00
66 Floyd Landis (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
67 Benjamin Noval (Spa) US Postal p/b Berry Floor 6.04
68 Didier Rous (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère 6.07
69 Jérôme Pineau (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
70 Stéphane Goubert (Fra) AG2R Prévoyance
71 Axel Merckx (Bel) Lotto-Domo 6.18
72 Laurent Lefèvre (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère 6.23

Tom Kunich said:

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16 Denis Menchov (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto 5.26

I'll bet Menchov got a really hard talking to by the rest of the peloton for
letting that gap open up.

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17 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
18 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC
19 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Saeco
20 Iñigo Landaluze (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
21 Santos Gonzalez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
22 Jose Azevedo (Por) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
23 Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Cofidis - Le Crédit Par Téléphone
24 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
25 Aitor Gonzalez Jimenez (Spa) Fassa Bortolo
26 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems
27 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Crédit Agricole
28 Sandy Casar (Fra) Fdjeux.com
29 Laurent Brochard (Fra) AG2R Prévoyance
30 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems
31 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick Step-Davitamon
32 Marius Sabaliauskas (Ltu) Saeco
33 Laurent Dufaux (Swi) Quick Step-Davitamon
34 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto
35 Aitor Osa Eizaguirre (Spa) Illes Balears - Banesto
36 Sergio Marinangeli (Ita) Domina Vacanze
37 Michele Bartoli (Ita) Team CSC
38 Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team

My money would be on this guy letting the gap open...

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"Ken Papai" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Here is the lead group today of *70* in case you forgot anonymous:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage10

1 Richard Virenque (Fra) Quick Step-Davitamon 6.00.24
(39.46 km/h)
2 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team 5.19
3 Erik Zabel (Ger) T-Mobile Team
4 Francisco Mancebo Pérez (Spa) Illes Balears - Banesto
5 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Brioches La Boulangère
6 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor
7 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner
8 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Fassa Bortolo
9 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Domina Vacanze
10 Pietro Caucchioli (Ita) Alessio-Bianchi
11 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
12 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank
13 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC
14 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC
15 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team
16 Denis Menchov (Rus) Illes Balears - Banesto 5.26

I'll bet Menchov got a really hard talking to by the rest of the peloton

for

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letting that gap open up.

I'd guess Menchov was trying to catch back onto the front group after
someone else let the gap open up. Unless you've seen the TV coverage and
know what you're talking about, of course.

Peter

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 04:57:09 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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Apparently you missed the point.

And you missed the stage?

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:51:21 GMT, "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]>

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"Keith" <nospam@@4ax.com...

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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

You're definitely a nut.

Here is the lead group today of *70* in case you forgot anonymous:

I was referring to the Puy Marie climb in case you know what this is
about, cretin.

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was referring to the Puy Marie climb in case you know what this is
about, cretin.

After seeing today how strong Zabel was on the Cat 1 known as the Puy
Marie, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...

Jiyang Chen said:

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was referring to the Puy Marie climb in case you know what this is
about, cretin.

After seeing today how strong Zabel was on the Cat 1 known as the Puy
Marie, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel

How entertaining, hey Dr No, feel like taking a pill today?

Keith <@4ax.com>...

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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

You are a genius forecaster oh Keithie Boy!
How did you know???

Ullrich was destroyed by Lance today, stage 12 to La Mongie.
Basso's goal of a podium look damn good now.

-Ken

Keith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

Wow - the soft German rode some kind of tempo today up to La Mongie.
It is so funny when the Lance haters try to talk themselves into the
idea that another rider might beat Lance. Hey - there is always next
year.

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!

Problem was, he shook everyone off his front wheel.

Jeff

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How entertaining, hey Dr No, feel like taking a pill today?

Apparently you completely do not get it. You obviously have no idea
what you are saying, or you know it and are pretending.

Jiyang Chen said:

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How entertaining, hey Dr No, feel like taking a pill today?

Apparently you completely do not get it. You obviously have no idea
what you are saying, or you know it and are pretending.

Stop wasting everybody's time.

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Stop wasting everybody's time.

You obviously have no concept of cycling, if you believe a strong
performance on an early Cat 1 climb where it was ridden at a pace that
even Zabel could stay on would determine a mountain top finish where the
pace is so high Zabel wouldn't be able to stay on.

Apparently you completely do not get it. You obviously have no idea
what you are saying, or you know it and are pretending.

You are a genius forecaster oh Keithie Boy!
How did you know???

Ullrich was destroyed AGAIN by Lance today, stage 13 to Plateau de Beille
Basso's goal of a podium looks *damn good* now.

-Ken

"Keith" <nospam@@4ax.com...

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After seeing today how strong Ulirch was on the Cat 1, I wouldn't be
surprised if he pulled off an Arcalis on Friday, racing a huge tempo
at the foot of La Mongie and shaking everyone off his wheel...like he
did...briefly in the Tourmalet last year. I've never seen him in this
kind of shape since '97!