La Dolce Vita

B. Lafferty said:

Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We are
weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If that
proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

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http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

For further information, google on "Ortolan cuisine france"

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Tonto not knowing the Lone Ranger was
disguised as a pool table, racked his balls.
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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We

are

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weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If that
proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:40:38 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We are
weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If that
proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

As I thought, classic case of publicity hounding.

Just evoke the name Lance, and you get your name printed all over the
place.

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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We

are

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weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If that
proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

Cool A question though...the sweet life for who?

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:40:38 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We

are

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weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If

that

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proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

As I thought, classic case of publicity hounding.

Just evoke the name Lance, and you get your name printed all over the
place.

And just maybe some thought it appropriate to respond publicly. I know I did
and do think so.

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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We

are

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weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If

that

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proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

Cool A question though...the sweet life for who?

For Mr. Lance in the event he's invited for an all expenses paid Roman
Holiday.

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B. Lafferty said:

Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We

are

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weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If

that

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proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

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http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

For further information, google on "Ortolan cuisine france"

Lafferty can kiss my ass. I've put him on ignore but the entire bunch of
Lafferty suckups have to comment on his posts as if that jerkoff had a line
to God or something.

Get it straight - Lafferty is nothing but a hater. If he didn't have Lance
to hate it would be someone else.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:14:22 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We

are

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weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If

that

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proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

Cool A question though...the sweet life for who?

For Mr. Lance in the event he's invited for an all expenses paid Roman
Holiday.

Well...at worst he'd have to pay the expense of getting Berlusconi to
decriminalize his actions.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:14:22 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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> Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's

actions

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> "disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness.

We

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> weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If

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> proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.
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> http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=372

Cool A question though...the sweet life for who?

For Mr. Lance in the event he's invited for an all expenses paid Roman
Holiday.

Well...at worst he'd have to pay the expense of getting Berlusconi to
decriminalize his actions.

Interesting idea. Armstrong calls Dubya, Dubya calls his coalition of the
willing pal Berlusconi.....

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Interesting idea. Armstrong calls Dubya, Dubya calls his coalition of

the

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willing pal Berlusconi.....

this sounds like an idea Homer Simpson would come up with.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:40:38 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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Roman NAS chief, a certain Colonel Ortolani, called Armstrong's actions
"disgraceful. towards a citizen who fulfilled his duty as a witness. We are
weighing up all of the possibilities that a crime has taken place. If that
proves to be the case, we'll involve the magistrates," Ortolani said.

Even if Simeoni is telling the truth, which has not been established,
he is still a little rat. To make a deal to testify against Ferrari
in order to lessen the time he's suspended is about as despicable as
it comes.

The guy is a scumbag and he deserves nothing but contempt. I'm glad
Lance did what he did and in the future if Lance has the chance to
screw him again, I hope he does.

You know, if a criminal is facing 40 years and decides to testify
against one of his fellow criminals in order to get a shorter sentence
it's understandable. He's still a rat but 40 years in prison is a lot
to face.

But for Simeoni to rat out Ferrari so he can race his bike faster is
beyond contempt. Is it worth giving up you self-respect so easily.

Jack Hollis said:

Even if Simeoni is telling the truth, which has not been established,
he is still a little rat. To make a deal to testify against Ferrari
in order to lessen the time he's suspended is about as despicable as
it comes.

In the long run, the notion that someone should be treated with contempt
for revealing information that only a limited number of people know, but
which would be valuable to a wider audience, is contemptible. It's the
same attitude that raises many social conflicts at high school, for example.

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From: Stewart Fleming

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In the long run, the notion that someone should be treated with contempt
for revealing information that only a limited number of people know, but
which would be valuable to a wider audience, is contemptible. It's the
same attitude that raises many social conflicts at high school, for example.

Are you talking "test answers" here? --TP

Jack Hollis said:

Even if Simeoni is telling the truth, which has not been established,
he is still a little rat. To make a deal to testify against Ferrari
in order to lessen the time he's suspended is about as despicable as
it comes.

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The guy is a scumbag and he deserves nothing but contempt. I'm glad
Lance did what he did and in the future if Lance has the chance to
screw him again, I hope he does.

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You know, if a criminal is facing 40 years and decides to testify
against one of his fellow criminals in order to get a shorter sentence
it's understandable. He's still a rat but 40 years in prison is a lot
to face.

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But for Simeoni to rat out Ferrari so he can race his bike faster is
beyond contempt. Is it worth giving up you self-respect so easily.

So if Simeoni cheated, and if Ferrari helped him cheat
(which I don't know, but suppose it were true), Simeoni should
take a fall to protect Ferrari? How does protecting someone
who facilitates cheating (hypothetically) preserve Simeoni's
self-respect?

Millar said Lelli helped him get drugs. Is Millar shameful for
ratting on Lelli, or is he helping to root out cheating in
the sport?

I'm not a fan of BL's anti-Lance crusade, but your attitude
is absurd.

The only little rat or little cheat here is Armstrong.
This is very inaccurate. A doped cyclist, such as Armstrong, should
be prosecuted and not allowed to compete, just like so many before
him. It is also not only the statements of Simeoni which you should
listen to, but also those of the Ferrari case in general, of Greg
Lemonde and of Dr Prentice Steffen.

David Millar was rcently banned for cheating as a cyclist and the news
came as no surprise to anybody: after all, what does the uk have to do
with cycling? This was only about propaganda from the beginning, and
the only way to get there was by cheating...... how different can the
Millar case be from that of his cousin Armstrong? TEXAS and
CYCLISTS??? you've got to be kidding, this is the land of SUVs and
cowboys for goodness sake!

Let's vote in Bush AGAIN, yes-sireeeee!

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Jack Hollis said:

Even if Simeoni is telling the truth, which has not been established,
he is still a little rat. To make a deal to testify against Ferrari
in order to lessen the time he's suspended is about as despicable as
it comes.

In the long run, the notion that someone should be treated with contempt
for revealing information that only a limited number of people know, but
which would be valuable to a wider audience, is contemptible. It's the
same attitude that raises many social conflicts at high school, for example.

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From: [email hidden] (Steve Larsson)

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after all, what does the uk have to do
with cycling?

Chris Boardman, Sean Kelly, Sean Yates, Malcom Elliot, Martin Early, Stephen
Roche, Graeme Obree.

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This was only about propaganda from the beginning, and
the only way to get there was by cheating...

Golly-gee, maybe not!

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how different can the
Millar case be from that of his cousin >Armstrong?

No possession, no confession?

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TEXAS and
CYCLISTS??? you've got to be kidding, this is the land of SUVs and
cowboys for goodness sake!

You forgot "oil wells". Maybe "JR", too.

Um, ever set foot in Texas?

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Let's vote in Bush AGAIN, yes-sireeeee!

Let's not. --TP

Stewart Fleming said:

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Even if Simeoni is telling the truth, which has not been established,
he is still a little rat. To make a deal to testify against Ferrari
in order to lessen the time he's suspended is about as despicable as
it comes.

In the long run, the notion that someone should be treated with contempt
for revealing information that only a limited number of people know, but
which would be valuable to a wider audience, is contemptible. It's the
same attitude that raises many social conflicts at high school, for example.

You totally missed the point. If Simeoni was a clean rider who had
not been caught using drugs and he had some information regarding
cheaters and he provided it to the authorities, that would be one
thing. But Simeoni did not provide his information (which may all be
lies) for the good of the sport, he provided it to get himself off the
hook. So even if what he says is true, which has not been
established, he's a rat [censored].

On 30 Jul 2004 22:53:58 -0700, Benjamin Weiner <[email hidden]>

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So if Simeoni cheated, and if Ferrari helped him cheat
(which I don't know, but suppose it were true), Simeoni should
take a fall to protect Ferrari? How does protecting someone
who facilitates cheating (hypothetically) preserve Simeoni's
self-respect?

Take the fall? Simeoni got caught so he already took the fall. It's
the process of making a deal for a reduces sentence in order to rat
out Ferrari that I find to be a problem. If Simeoni is telling the
truth, I don't imagine that Ferrari came to him and made him take the
drugs. Simeoni is responsibe for his actions and he's trying to get
off easy by turning state's evidence. That's what a RAT is.

On 07/31/2004 08:28 AM, in article
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From: [email hidden] (Steve Larsson)

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after all, what does the uk have to do
with cycling?

Chris Boardman, Sean Kelly, Sean Yates, Malcom Elliot, Martin Early, Stephen
Roche, Graeme Obree.

Sean Kelly, Martin Early, and Stephen Roche are Irish, as in Republic of ...

They are not from any of the 4 nations in the United Kingdom (England,
Scotland, Wales, or the 7 counties of Northern Ireland).

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This was only about propaganda from the beginning, and
the only way to get there was by cheating...

Golly-gee, maybe not!

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how different can the
Millar case be from that of his cousin >Armstrong?

No possession, no confession?

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TEXAS and
CYCLISTS??? you've got to be kidding, this is the land of SUVs and
cowboys for goodness sake!

You forgot "oil wells". Maybe "JR", too.

Um, ever set foot in Texas?

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Let's vote in Bush AGAIN, yes-sireeeee!

Let's not. --TP

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