Koxx Replies About Their ISIS Issue.

Personaly, i dont care what uni cranks fit the koxx hub, i care what
bike cranks will. Also, what makes it incompatible? Is it the little
spacers on there? If you put on a shorter/longer spacer could you run
different cranks? Or do the splines not fit?

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Spencer Hochberg said:

ISIS bike cranks seem to be really expensive though and will only work
for muni because of the long lengths (which I know you don't care about
but other people would)

You can get isis bike cranks in short lengths.......

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gabetheunicycleman said:

ur gonna f ur kneecaps on that monty frame. !!!kh 20 o7 all the way

Yeah but with the kh you dont get an eagleclaw or spiffy white rim.

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Evan Byrne said:

Yeah but with the kh you dont get an eagleclaw or spiffy white rim.

Yeah, that thing is sexy... and I've never hit my knees off of my
frame... not even off of my friends Yuni frame.

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ntappin said:

Now if everyone can just start using the monty specs, and *stop using
those damn inserts! *We should all be fine and dandy.

Just to point out that in Britain (and I think in Europe too) there
were no problems with the Koxx cranks. I don't think that the people
in America and Canada were educated properly, no problems over here!

Shame about the ISIS but is it a -huge- problem?

Mike

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MAY I POINT OUT THAT THE
CHART (\"HTTP://WWW.UNICYCLIST.COM/FORUMS/ATTACHMENT.PHP?ATTACHMENTID=16237&D=1163707206\"😉
IS A BIT WEIRD?

*Axe rouge Qu-Ax*-, the new red ISIS Qu-Ax hub fits KH moment cranks,
while it says it doesn't in the chart, I don't think it fits Koxx alu
and CrMo cranks...-

*Axe JAUNE Qu-Ax*-, the yellow Qu-Ax splined hub, it doesn't fit any
ISIS cranks?! That's weird... but wait... the yellow Qu-Ax hub isn't
ISIS splined... that kind of explains why it only fits the standard
Qu-Ax splined cranks, it doesn't explain why it's in the chart at
all...-

*Axe Koxx-One*-, it can be combined with both the Alu Koxx cranks and
the CrMo Koxx cranks.-

*Axe bleu Kris Holm balance*-, The blue Kris Holm ISIS Moment (not
balance) hub, I heard that it couldn't fit the Koxx cranks just like
the Qu-Ax doesn't, but I guess I could be wrong...-

*Axe Onza*-, no information there, I have one, it's exactly the same as
the KH hub, but black. It fits the Qu-Ax ISIS alu cranks, KH moment and
Onza tensile cranks.-

*Axe Monty*-, no information.-

Cheers,

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i agree with mike is it that much of a problem?

And also we are all going and blaming koxx-one but since koxx-one were
the first (i think) with isis cranks and hubs surely everyone else
shoudl have checked their gear was interchangeable with theirs?

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I thought the ISIS specs were sufficiently precise, so that all ISIS
systems are compatible. Additionally there are reference tools
available, I cite from the ISIS documentation:
-Standard reference tooling is available through the ISIS Drive web
page
(www.isisdrive.com). This reference tooling allows for the quick and
easy
determination of whether a crankarm and bottom bracket spindle meet the
ISIS
Drive geometry requirements. The tools can therefore be used to ensure
that parts
are manufactured correctly and are interchangeable with each other. All
manufacturers of ISIS Drive parts are strongly urged to use these
reference tools in
their quality procedures.-

Is the current situation a problem? Well, if you ever want to change
your cranks (e.g. I would like to get 125mm Moment cranks) it is. It is
also quite confusing. And the bottom line still is that Koxx seems to
be in breach of the ISIS license agreement (by not folowing the specs).
Does anyone know what the situation for Koxx bicycle cranks is like,
i.e. are they compatible with other manufacturers?

I am really quite tired of this whole topic, but I am also glad that
Koxx finally gets some pressure over this. I will just sell my Koxx
after Christmas and be all happy after that 🙂

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OMG if you want Moment Cranks, get a Moment hub, if you want KOXX-1
cranks, get a KOXX-1 hub. If you get a Moment hub and cranks, you can
use those cranks and hub with any cranks and hub accept KOXX-1. If you
have KOXX-1 hub and cranks, you probably don't want anyone elses hub
and cranks anyway.

The bigger issue, and one I am struggling with right now is, I like to
have my back foot firmly planted on a Pinned Welgo pedal and my left
foot has grown accustomed to a Biscuit Pedal. I hate that the stupid
pedal companies take for granted that we all want TWO pedals when we
buy them. Those guys won;t let you just mix and match your pedals like
you want to. "have to buy a package of TWO" no switchies. Well I think
that sucks. BTW does anyone want a left Welgo and right biscuit, both
are brand new?

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Beener said:

OMG if you want Moment Cranks, get a Moment hub, if you want KOXX-1
cranks, get a KOXX-1 hub. If you get a Moment hub and cranks, you can
use those cranks and hub with any cranks and hub accept KOXX-1. If you
have KOXX-1 hub and cranks, you probably don't want anyone elses hub
and cranks anyway.

Thank you for actually _reading_ my post before writing a reply. I
really appreciate that 🙄
Let me, just for you, point out again: People (like me) bought a Koxx
with the hope that ISIS would become the new standard (which is
correct). Now that other ISIS cranks are available we are stuck, while
Koxx continues to advertise their system as ISIS.

What was your problem with pedals again? But that is certainly the real
issue. Bike companies are really stupid to ignore the huge "single
pedal" market 😄

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Beener said:

OMG if you want Moment Cranks, get a Moment hub, if you want KOXX-1
cranks, get a KOXX-1 hub. If you get a Moment hub and cranks, you can
use those cranks and hub with any cranks and hub accept KOXX-1. If you
have KOXX-1 hub and cranks, you probably don't want anyone elses hub
and cranks anyway.

The bigger issue, and one I am struggling with right now is, I like to
have my back foot firmly planted on a Pinned Welgo pedal and my left
foot has grown accustomed to a Biscuit Pedal. I hate that the stupid
pedal companies take for granted that we all want TWO pedals when we
buy them. Those guys won;t let you just mix and match your pedals like
you want to. "have to buy a package of TWO" no switchies. Well I think
that sucks. BTW does anyone want a left Welgo and right biscuit, both
are brand new?

Don't confuse the issue with common sense.

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Beener said:

The bigger issue, and one I am struggling with right now is, I like to
have my back foot firmly planted on a Pinned Welgo pedal and my left
foot has grown accustomed to a Biscuit Pedal. I hate that the stupid
pedal companies take for granted that we all want TWO pedals when we
buy them. Those guys won;t let you just mix and match your pedals like
you want to. "have to buy a package of TWO" no switchies. Well I think
that sucks. BTW does anyone want a left Welgo and right biscuit, both
are brand new?

It is not really a problem. Just replace the new spindle on the pedal
you don't want with the old one. That is assuming it is the cage that
is destroyed not the spindle.

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In reference to someone asking about the Koxx bike cranks (actually
called Try-All):
When I purchased my Mod Trials bike second-hand, it had these cranks.
They never stayed tight on the bottom bracket. It turns out, that the
splines didn't go deep enough inside the crankarms (very obvious, too
short by about 4mm) this to me screamed poor quality, i bought new
crankarms, and haven't had an issue since. In my opinion this is a
major breach ISIS agreement, and Koxx should fix this in future cranks
and hubs. Standards are created for a reason. and koxx should fix it,
or call it something other than ISIS. Also, that whole chart makes
little, or, no sense at all.

-Ryan

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Then all uni cranks are not ISIS:eek:
There all just ISI🙁

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Im so confused.

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mornish said:

Im so confused.

don't blame you🙄

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I doubt the Try-All stuff isnt Isis, but if it isnt there is too much
try-all stuff out there for them to change it now.

As for uni stuff, since its a much smaller market, i dont see how
changing the design now would be too hard. Get on it Yoggi!

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brendan said:

i agree with mike is it that much of a problem?

And also we are all going and blaming koxx-one but since koxx-one were
the first (i think) with isis cranks and hubs surely everyone else
shoudl have checked their gear was interchangeable with theirs?

Koxx does not appear to be producing ISIS cranks. They are producing
cranks that look a little like ISIS but do not comply with the
standard. People who want to produce ISIS cranks cannot make their
gear interchangable with Koxx's.

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tholub said:

Koxx does not appear to be producing ISIS cranks. They are producing
cranks that look a little like ISIS but do not comply with the
standard. People who want to produce ISIS cranks cannot make their
gear interchangable with Koxx's.

If Yoggi's attachment is correct it looks like Koxx ISIS cranks are
compatible with every hub except the "jaune Qu-ax". It looks like the
incompatibility problem is with Koxx ISIS hubs (which are not
compatible with Qu-ax or KH cranks).
In my avatar I have a Koxx hub with Truvativ Luftalarm ISIS cranks
without any modifications. So either Koxx and Truvativ are not ISIS or
there are different levels of ISIS compatibility.

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