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  1. Hello,

    I am after a newer bike, originally I was thinking a KHS (I have one now,
    lasted 8 years), but a single speed just looks easier to maintain, ride and
    enjoy.

    Couple of questions:

    Q: If I had the gearing 34T x 17T, what would my cadence be if I wanted to
    travel ~25kmh.

    (did a google, answered the question from http://www.arachnoid.com/bike/.
    So I have to pedal at 100rpm)

    Q: Also I was wondering if required and I could afford one, could I retro
    fit a rohlspeed hub on the Kona unit?

    Q: Another question any other internal geared hubs people have *used* here.
    I don't think having twenty something gears or whatever is really a
    necessity. I only ride current on the middle cog, with 3 maybe 5 gears, out
    of 21.

    Thanks Paul

  2. I am talking about these bikes

    http://www.vicmtb.com.au/store/05bikes/kona/unit/

    http://www.vicmtb.com.au/store/04bikes/kona/unit/

    Paul

    paul said:

    Hello,

    I am after a newer bike, originally I was thinking a KHS (I have one
    now, lasted 8 years), but a single speed just looks easier to
    maintain, ride and enjoy.

    Couple of questions:

    Q: If I had the gearing 34T x 17T, what would my cadence be if I
    wanted to travel ~25kmh.

    (did a google, answered the question from
    http://www.arachnoid.com/bike/. So I have to pedal at 100rpm)

    Q: Also I was wondering if required and I could afford one, could I
    retro fit a rohlspeed hub on the Kona unit?

    Q: Another question any other internal geared hubs people have *used*
    here. I don't think having twenty something gears or whatever is
    really a necessity. I only ride current on the middle cog, with 3
    maybe 5 gears, out of 21.

    Thanks Paul

  3. paul said:

    Q: If I had the gearing 34T x 17T, what would my cadence be if I
    wanted to travel ~25kmh.

    Assuming a 26" wheel, the tyre circumference is generally somewhere
    between 2.0 and 2.1m, so each pedal stroke will push you around 4m.
    That means you'll need to do n/4 crank rotations each second to do n
    m/s, or hold a cadence of around 4.2n to do n km/h.
    So you'll need to be holding a cadence of around 105 for 25km/h.

    Quoted message said:

    Q: Also I was wondering if required and I could afford one,
    could I retro fit a rohlspeed hub on the Kona unit?

    Without actually checking the specs I can't be sure, but it shouldn't
    be a problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Q: Another question any other internal geared hubs people have
    *used* here. I don't think having twenty something gears or
    whatever is really a necessity.

    True, and the TdF riders originally only had one gear, or if they were
    lucky a flip/flop hub. But if you're dealing with fairly large angle
    changes (say +20% to -20%) then having a big range is nice and more
    efficient. The Rohloff's range is more useful to MTBers than roadies,
    for whom the weight will be more of an issue, and MTBers fairly
    regularly hit those kind of grades (+20% and above hurts)

    It sounds like you're either able to get power down over a very large
    cadence range or you're mainly riding fairly constant grades. In either
    case, a single speed probably isn't a bad option for you, and you can
    tweak the combination up or down a bit to find what works for you - the
    standard 2:1 ratio is just a recommended starting point.

    Dave - who hasn't actually used an internal geared hub, but has ridden
    with a bloke who uses one regularly.

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  4. paul said:

    Hello,

    I am after a newer bike, originally I was thinking a KHS (I have one now,
    lasted 8 years), but a single speed just looks easier to maintain, ride and
    enjoy.

    Couple of questions:

    Q: If I had the gearing 34T x 17T, what would my cadence be if I wanted to
    travel ~25kmh.

    (did a google, answered the question from http://www.arachnoid.com/bike/.
    So I have to pedal at 100rpm)

    Q: Also I was wondering if required and I could afford one, could I retro
    fit a rohlspeed hub on the Kona unit?

    Q: Another question any other internal geared hubs people have *used* here.
    I don't think having twenty something gears or whatever is really a
    necessity. I only ride current on the middle cog, with 3 maybe 5 gears, out
    of 21.

    Thanks Paul

    Paul

    I'm also considering a Kona Unit. I think they do come geared as you said 34:17 or 2:1. This is the default gearing for an off road singlespeed. If your local terrain is hilly you may need lower gears. Conversly if you want to commute or road ride, you'll soon spin yourself into a lather with 2:1 gear.

    A Rohloff hub would be a great why to add gears to a Unit. Something I'm also contemplating. I've seen other hub gears used, Shimano, Sturmy Archer & Sachs. I've heard that some of these hub don't handle harsh off road conditions for very long. Do some Google time for stories of success or woe.

    What is the main type of riding you want the Unit for? If it's more for transport than off road then a 3 - 7 speed hub upgrade would be best, & cheaper than a Rohloff.

    If you're planning to ride mostly off road then remember the Unit comes with a rigid fork. A top quality suspension fork could cost the same as the whole bike.

    B - "Unit me up"

  5. Bikesoiler said:

    Paul

    I'm also considering a Kona Unit. I think they do come geared as you said 34:17 or 2:1. This is the default gearing for an off road singlespeed. If your local terrain is hilly you may need lower gears. Conversly if you want to commute or road ride, you'll soon spin yourself into a lather with 2:1 gear.

    A Rohloff hub would be a great why to add gears to a Unit. Something I'm also contemplating. I've seen other hub gears used, Shimano, Sturmy Archer & Sachs. I've heard that some of these hub don't handle harsh off road conditions for very long. Do some Google time for stories of success or woe.

    What is the main type of riding you want the Unit for? If it's more for transport than off road then a 3 - 7 speed hub upgrade would be best, & cheaper than a Rohloff.

    If you're planning to ride mostly off road then remember the Unit comes with a rigid fork. A top quality suspension fork could cost the same as the whole bike.

    B - "Unit me up"


    Re internal gears and OR reliability:

    GT's new DH / FR platform is specced around a mid-bike (input + output chains) mounted Nexus 7/8 speed. Doesn't take the shock loading and general punishment a rear wheel mounted unit does, hence, more reliable. Still, they have faith in it. And probably plenty of spares in the race support truck.

    M "non gear-luddite" H

  6. mfhor said:

    Re internal gears and OR reliability:

    GT's new DH / FR platform is specced around a mid-bike (input + output chains) mounted Nexus 7/8 speed. Doesn't take the shock loading and general punishment a rear wheel mounted unit does, hence, more reliable. Still, they have faith in it. And probably plenty of spares in the race support truck.

    M "non gear-luddite" H

    I like the idea of either hub or G-box type gearing. Keep all those oily cogs out of the dirt!
    I've heard of examples of both the Sachs & Nexus hubs dying due to MTB use. Either seals failing or shock load problems. If I was after a hub only for commuting use the Sachs/Nexus/Sturmy would be fine. MTB use is another matter.

  7. Bikesoiler said:

    I like the idea of either hub or G-box type gearing. Keep all those oily cogs out of the dirt!
    I've heard of examples of both the Sachs & Nexus hubs dying due to MTB use. Either seals failing or shock load problems. If I was after a hub only for commuting use the Sachs/Nexus/Sturmy would be fine. MTB use is another matter.

    has anyone spotted/heard-more-about the Sturmey Archer 8spd that can get upgraded to 16spd?
    It was announced about 18months ago but I have only seen the initial blurb in some euro mag and not seen/heard anything since?

  8. flyingdutch said:

    has anyone spotted/heard-more-about the Sturmey Archer 8spd that can get upgraded to 16spd?
    It was announced about 18months ago but I have only seen the initial blurb in some euro mag and not seen/heard anything since?


    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lasvegas/2003-show/pages/30-sa-8speed-r.html

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