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  1. I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense. What about the composition of the
    blade? I sharpen my knife each time I use it, does that mean I should
    get a carbon steel instead of stainless?

    Also can anyone recommend a good sharpener?

    Thanks!

    Chuck.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, cr113
    @hotmail.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense. What about the composition of the
    blade? I sharpen my knife each time I use it, does that mean I should
    get a carbon steel instead of stainless?

    --
    Any of the high end knife lines - Henckles, Wusthoff, Global, Sabattier,
    Thiers-Issard, etc. - will meet your needs. Be sure to get the high end
    line - some of these brands also sell cheaper lines that are not as
    good. Go to a store and hold them. For deep blades I think Henckles is
    excellent - for knuckle clearance. The 8" chef's knife is the one I use
    80% of the time. Curved edges are great for a rocking motion, while
    straighter edges are better for slicing. It's personal preferece.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  3. Quoted message said:


    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I
    think the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I
    can't grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board
    before the blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing.

    The old stand-by is the Chef's knife. You get them anywhere. Those have
    a curved blade that you can rock.

    A new style that some people like is the Santoku. It has a flat blade
    with an offset handle.

    Brian

    --
    If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
    won't shut up.
    -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense.

    I would recommend starting with an 8" chef knife. This is a useful
    knife for many things, but excels for chopping and dicing. It will keep
    your knuckles off the board. Be prepared to spend some decent money,
    though. I like the curved blade so you can rock it. A curved blade
    will still have a flat back. Always use the back of the knife to "move
    the pile" around.

    --
    Dan Abel
    [email hidden]
    Petaluma, California, USA

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense. What about the composition of the
    blade? I sharpen my knife each time I use it, does that mean I should
    get a carbon steel instead of stainless?

    A good stainless steel chef's knife is good, but I personally use a
    large oriental cleaver for most of my cutting work now.

    Quoted message said:


    Also can anyone recommend a good sharpener?

    A nice knife set will come with a "steel", a rod-shaped sharpener.
    It's good for honing.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks!

    Chuck.


    --
    Peace, Om.

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

  6. Quoted message said:


    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense. What about the composition of the
    blade? I sharpen my knife each time I use it, does that mean I should
    get a carbon steel instead of stainless?

    Also can anyone recommend a good sharpener?


    I took Pastorio's advice and got a Furi santoku for veggies. It's
    really nice. Do a Web search if you're interested. They sell a cool
    sharpener, too, but I don't have one. So I can't speak to its
    utility.
    --
    modom

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, cr113
    @hotmail.com says...

    Quoted message said:


    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense. What about the composition of the
    blade? I sharpen my knife each time I use it, does that mean I should
    get a carbon steel instead of stainless?

    Also can anyone recommend a good sharpener?

    Thanks!

    Chuck.

    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a mezzaluna.

    http://tinyurl.com/jbpuv

  8. You definately need a chef's knife. The best way to choose one is to
    go to a good knife shop and hold them in your hand to see which feels
    the best, most balanced and able to control in your hand. Don't worry
    about brand names, worry about what it's made of. Look for high-carbon
    stainless. These are the best knives available. They hold an edge but
    can be honed using a steele on a daily basis (which is what I'm
    assuming you do when you say - sharpening daily).

    My first chef knife was an 8" Wustof and I would have kept using it
    except I couldn't keep up with the others in cooking school. The
    longer the blade, the more cutting surface you have to work with, not
    to mention the scooping ability which is also very important if you are
    cutting lots of veggies for those great meals you are going to make now
    that you are "giving cooking a shot".

    Vickie McCorkendale

  9. Quoted message said:

    I'm giving real cooking a shot. Most of the recipes I've tried are
    vegetarian. I've noticed that the hardest part is chopping and dicing
    so I want to invest in a good dicing knife. What shape is best? I think
    the blade on the knife I have now is too narrow for dicing. I can't
    grab the handle and chop, my knuckles hit the cutting board before the
    blade does. I'm assuming a thick blade is best for dicing. What about
    the curvature of the blade? Should it be curved or flat? I would think
    that a curved blade would cut all the way thru better, if you use a
    rocking action, but a flat blade would be easier to move the pile
    around, if that makes any sense. What about the composition of the
    blade? I sharpen my knife each time I use it, does that mean I should
    get a carbon steel instead of stainless?

    There are two parts to a knife choice. The first is shape. For
    chopping/dicing, four good options options are:

    "traditional" chef's knife
    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef%27s_knife)

    santoku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santoku)

    nakiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakiri_bocho - the Tokyo style,
    pictured on the right)

    chinese style cleaver
    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_knife#Chinese_Cleaver)

    All of these are good for chopping and dicing because the handle is a
    good distance from the edge of the blade, leaving space for your
    knuckles beneath. That said, you should hold the knife with your
    thumb and forefinger on the blade just beyond the handle - this
    minimizes how much knucke and finger is below the handle, and gives you
    far better control of the knife. Of the above shape, I prefer the
    nakiri for general vegatable work, put part of that is that my nakiri
    is lighter than my chef's knife or cleaver (I don't have a santoku. If
    I were limited to one knife, it would be a santoku - unlike the nakiri,
    it has a point, which comes in handy, but I have a whole bunch of
    pointed knives when the need arises.

    The second part is how the knife is constructed - the metal used, how
    it is formed, how thick it is, how the handle is shaped, what it is
    made out of, etc., etc. A lot of money in this world is spent on
    nicely forged knives from Henckels, Wustoff, and the like - I should
    know, I have several. I have come to prefer cheaper knives for a
    simple reason: most of the high end forged knives have thick blades
    and thick bolsters, making them heavy. For a lot of dicing and
    chopping of vegetables, I will take a lightweight knife almost every
    time - easy to maneuver, and less tiring to use. Good steel can be
    found in modest knives - look at a restaurant supply store or an asian
    grocery. My favorite knife is a $16 Japanese made nakiri from a Korean
    grocery store. The steel is just fine - it came with a sharp edge, and
    it is easy to keep sharp. The blade itself is nice and thin, making a
    lightweight, easy to maneuver knife.

    Quoted message said:

    Also can anyone recommend a good sharpener?

    That is a whole other discussion. I use a small tabletop bandsander
    with a very fine belt and a leather stropping belt, but I wouldn't
    recommend getting on just to sharpen kitchen knives, and it is easy to
    ruin the temper on a knife with it.

    Later,
    Mark Muller

  10. Thanks for all the replies. I ended up getting a Calphalon 8" chef's
    knife. I chickened out on getting the really top end stuff, they ranged
    from $80-100. The one I got was $47. It says it is high carbon no
    stain. I tried it last night and it works great. I like the advice I
    got to use the back of the knife for moving the pile around.

    Thanks!

  11. Quoted message said:

    Thanks for all the replies. I ended up getting a Calphalon 8" chef's
    knife. I chickened out on getting the really top end stuff, they ranged
    from $80-100. The one I got was $47. It says it is high carbon no
    stain. I tried it last night and it works great. I like the advice I
    got to use the back of the knife for moving the pile around.

    And if using a knife block with vertical slots be sure to place the
    blades business side up!

    Sheldon

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