knee pain

vidhi said:

How to keep knee joints healthy?
What are the exercise which somebody can do regularly to make knee
joints strong?

Wall sits. With your back to a wall, ease down into a sit position.
Stay there, starting at 20 seconds. Do three sets of these. They're
harder then they look. Add 5 seconds each time you do them. Skiers do
them and I think it makes a difference.

Also, weighted squats, starting with 10 pound free weights. (Bode
Miller squats with over 350 pounds of weight, btw.) Lunges and Burpees
also are great.

Glucosamine is also known for repairing and rebuilding the cartilage in
your joints. I've been taking it for a couple of months and it does
make a difference. I went skiing yesterday (a glorious day at
Sugarbowl) and hit the steeps all day and didn't feel it in my knees
until the end of the day. I think all my working out has helped as
well. : )

Martha

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Glucosamine is also known for repairing and rebuilding the cartilage in

your joints.
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i'm pro supplements on this topic & have my own "cocktail" i'm
employing to repair/recover. i have been reading up on one other
therapy i'm still on the fence on....electromagnetic/magnetic therapy.
(they supposively affect affect the iron in red blood cells).
Cartilage is very difficult to repair as there is very little
blood/oxygen flow through this living tissue. The supplements,
electromagnetic thereapy...all this is to create an environemnt
condusive to cartilage repair.

A very respected institution (Baylor) says beneficial stuff about it..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=9365349&dopt=Citation

Skeptics view of the Baylot Study
http://www.csicop.org/si/9807/magnet.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Glucosamine is also known for repairing and rebuilding the cartilage in

your joints.
___

i'm pro supplements on this topic & have my own "cocktail" i'm
employing to repair/recover. i have been reading up on one other
therapy i'm still on the fence on....electromagnetic/magnetic therapy.
(they supposively affect affect the iron in red blood cells).
Cartilage is very difficult to repair as there is very little
blood/oxygen flow through this living tissue. The supplements,
electromagnetic thereapy...all this is to create an environemnt
condusive to cartilage repair.

A very respected institution (Baylor) says beneficial stuff about it..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=9365349&dopt=Citation

Skeptics view of the Baylot Study
http://www.csicop.org/si/9807/magnet.html

I'm still skeptical of magnetic stuff, but if you feel it works for you
great. I DO know that whatever I'm doing helped me through a knarly
mess 'o bumps yesterday, and those are knee killers in the extreme.

Martha

very very very lightweight, high reps,
leg extensions, on machine.

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Glucosamine is also known for repairing and rebuilding the cartilage
in

your joints.
___

i'm pro supplements on this topic & have my own "cocktail" i'm
employing to repair/recover. i have been reading up on one other
therapy i'm still on the fence on....electromagnetic/magnetic
therapy.
(they supposively affect affect the iron in red blood cells).

Lance you are talking about "reading up" on therapy. You may have
answered this but I don't remember reading - what is the formal
diagnosis, what did he/she use to determine the problem(PET scan, MRI,
Xray, ouji board) and what did the doctor recommend. I'm still getting
the feeling that you are play doctor doing the diagnosis and recover
plan.

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Cartilage is very difficult to repair as there is very little
blood/oxygen flow through this living tissue. The supplements,
electromagnetic thereapy...all this is to create an environemnt
condusive to cartilage repair.

I haven't looked into magnets for quite a few years but when the
originally came out all the studies showed it was a smoke and mirrors
ploy to make money. I haven't seen and recent stuff to day any different
and I keep up with the journals.

Tell me your not playing doctor and therapist.

-DF

Black Metal Martha said:

vidhi said:

How to keep knee joints healthy?
What are the exercise which somebody can do regularly to make knee
joints strong?

Wall sits. With your back to a wall, ease down into a sit position.
Stay there, starting at 20 seconds. Do three sets of these. They're
harder then they look. Add 5 seconds each time you do them. Skiers do
them and I think it makes a difference.

Also, weighted squats, starting with 10 pound free weights. (Bode
Miller squats with over 350 pounds of weight, btw.)

bode miller is my kinda guy...

[ i heard about him just last week, when bode landed on the covers of
both time and newsweek. if i were into alpine skiing, i'd go about it
_precisely_ as he's done it. the guy is a natural-born rebel. ]

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1149374,00.html

Rebel on the Edge
Bode Miller, Skiing's Wild Child, Is Willful, Thoughtful and the Most
Exciting Show on Snow
By BILL SAPORITO

Jan. 23, 2006

In Europe, where he is a celebrity, Bode Miller has stood at the top of
slalom runs and listened to 50,000 Austrians chanting "Bo-de, Bo-de."
They know that his eccentric skiing style--butt back, feet forward,
hands flying--and utter disregard for actually finishing a race, never
mind winning it, will often produce compelling sport. In the combined
downhill in the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics, Miller was a nanosecond
from disaster when he made what might have been the greatest 60 m.p.h.
recovery in the history of skiing to claim a silver medal. He either
lands on the podium or on his posterior.

He is the world's best ski racer, but whatever the result, he laughs it
off and maybe has a beer afterward. Or two. In a world where winners
get endorsements and losers work for the ski patrol, Miller actually
believes in that old Olympic canard that it's playing the game that
counts. "Despite all the pressure and the caliber of accomplishment, I
still can honestly say it is not all about winning," he told TIME
during pre-Olympic training at Colorado's Copper Mountain. The
important thing to him is to try to ski well--to improve, to reach his
own goals--and most important, to have a good time.

Last week it was his mouth that went off course--blew out of its
bindings--after Miller admitted on 60 Minutes to skiing a race hung
over. He was "wasted," as he put it, after securing the overall World
Cup title the day before. In its promos for the show, CBS said he skied
drunk, which Miller denies. But he has never been the least bit shy
about his après-ski technique. "There's been times I've been in really
tough shape at the top of the course," he told 60 Minutes. The
statement was typical of Miller's quirky, uncensored self, but it
quickly snowballed into a crisis. With controversies about sexual
harassment, citizenship and team selection already dogging Olympic
athletes in skeleton and figure skating, U.S. Ski and Snowboard
Association (USSA) officials hurried to Miller's next race venue in
Wengen, Switzerland, reprimand in hand. In apology, Miller said, "The
message that came through is not what I'm about in any way in my
sporting career."

Say hello to skiing's wild child, a mountain prodigy who grew up
plumbing-free, electricity-free and constraint-free in a house
hand-built by his parents in a forest near Franconia, N.H. As a kid,
Miller spent as many winter hours skiing at nearby Cannon Mountain as
he did in the classroom. In his teens, he was all but dismissed as
being uncoachable. But, last year his World Cup triumph was the first
by an American in 22 years. His prowess is such that he could win a
medal in any of five Alpine skiing events at the Olympic Games in
Torino, Italy, which begin Feb. 10. Most racers compete in two, at
most.

Miller is also skiing's mad scientist. There couldn't possibly be
anyone who has thought more about what it takes to win a ski race. He
has contemplated every aspect of the sport, whether it's boot design,
the way your nerves should fire during a turn or even how the World Cup
tour should operate. "I simply think things through, and I look at
problems," he told TIME. "One thing I pride myself on is the ability to
connect unconnected thoughts and come up with new, unique thoughts."

For U.S. ski-team officials who have been the receivers of those
thoughts, the 60 Minutes fiasco may have been a long-awaited
opportunity to whack the puppy with the paper. "Talented people are a
challenge, and what makes some people great is that they require a
lot," says Bill Marolt, president of the USSA. (Translation: This guy
drives me batty.) "Hopefully this has created something positive, not
just with Bode but with the whole team." For years Miller has
challenged USSA brass about coaching, training and conditioning
methods, equipment and what he considers insufficient support for his
ideas. "They are not totally compliant yet," he deadpans. Yet he is
serious in his purpose. The coaches, he says, "are forcing athletes to
train poorly for the sport. And I find that irritating." Head U.S.
men's coach Phil McNichol says Miller has been given plenty of
attention, "but he pushes all the boundaries. That's part of his
personality. He's about pushing buttons and pushing boundaries."

<snip>

googlegroups2sucks said:

Black Metal Martha said:

vidhi said:

How to keep knee joints healthy?
What are the exercise which somebody can do regularly to make knee
joints strong?

Wall sits. With your back to a wall, ease down into a sit position.
Stay there, starting at 20 seconds. Do three sets of these. They're
harder then they look. Add 5 seconds each time you do them. Skiers do
them and I think it makes a difference.

Also, weighted squats, starting with 10 pound free weights. (Bode
Miller squats with over 350 pounds of weight, btw.)

bode miller is my kinda guy...

Oh, me too.....

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[ i heard about him just last week, when bode landed on the covers of
both time and newsweek. if i were into alpine skiing, i'd go about it
_precisely_ as he's done it. the guy is a natural-born rebel. ]

He's an amazing skier. I've watched him for several years now. I
especially like the Newsweek cover without a shirt. : )

Martha

Quoted message said:

Last week it was his mouth that went off course--blew out of its
bindings--after Miller admitted on 60 Minutes to skiing a race hung
over. He was "wasted," as he put it, after securing the overall World
Cup title the day before. In its promos for the show, CBS said he skied
drunk, which Miller denies. But he has never been the least bit shy
about his après-ski technique. "There's been times I've been in really
tough shape at the top of the course," he told 60 Minutes. The
statement was typical of Miller's quirky, uncensored self, but it
quickly snowballed into a crisis. With controversies about sexual
harassment, citizenship and team selection already dogging Olympic
athletes in skeleton and figure skating, U.S. Ski and Snowboard
Association (USSA) officials hurried to Miller's next race venue in
Wengen, Switzerland, reprimand in hand. In apology, Miller said, "The
message that came through is not what I'm about in any way in my
sporting career."

that's the media hysteria. now bode in his own words:

http://www.denverpost.com/snowsports/ci_3386469

CBS show twists the real story
By Bode Miller
Special to The Denver Post

World Cup champion Bode Miller, a five-event racer on the U.S. Ski
Team, reports regularly from the tour for The Denver Post.

I got a lot of attention last week for telling "60 Minutes" I sometimes
race while impaired by the effects of alcohol. They made it sound like
I raced when I was drunk.

I told them what happened at the World Cup finals last year after the
giant slalom. I finished second in that GS and wrapped up the overall
World Cup title - the only goal I've ever wanted to achieve in skiing,
really - and I had a lot of family and friends there.

If you wait to celebrate until after Sunday's slalom, everybody has to
leave for flights back to the U.S. and half the people are gone
already. So we partied on Saturday night. Then I raced the slalom the
next day. That's the story.

Put it this way: I've never drunk alcohol within hours of racing. That
incident at the World Cup finals was the hardest I've ever had to push
through to make it. I stopped partying super late, and we raced at 10
a.m.

Being hung over is a form of impairment, though. It's really hard to
race that way.

<snip>

Telling that story about the World Cup finals was five minutes out of
five or six hours I spent with "60 Minutes." It's probably the most
reputable and prestigious news program in the U.S., and I told them the
story to test their integrity. They're creating or promoting me as a
role model for kids. You can paint a bad picture of anybody if you want
to do that.

[ maybe i'm not getting the full picture here, but the guy wins the
world cup title -- the only goal he's every wanted to achieve, and the
first american to win the overall title in two decades -- parties sat
night as a consequence and also because half leave by sun night for
flights back, competes the next day with a hang-over, then on cbs
promos it claims bode skis drunk and so miller has to apologize and not
CBS and/or 60 minutes?

you know, the media is something else. we need less talk and more
pitchforks & more torches. ]

googlegroups2sucks wrote:>

Quoted message said:

[ maybe i'm not getting the full picture here, but the guy wins the
world cup title -- the only goal he's every wanted to achieve, and the
first american to win the overall title in two decades -- parties sat
night as a consequence and also because half leave by sun night for
flights back, competes the next day with a hang-over, then on cbs
promos it claims bode skis drunk and so miller has to apologize and not
CBS and/or 60 minutes?

you know, the media is something else. we need less talk and more
pitchforks & more torches. ]

And people wonder why Bode doesn't like talking to the press.....

Martha

Black Metal Martha said:

googlegroups2sucks wrote:>

Quoted message said:

[ maybe i'm not getting the full picture here, but the guy wins the
world cup title -- the only goal he's every wanted to achieve, and the
first american to win the overall title in two decades -- parties sat
night as a consequence and also because half leave by sun night for
flights back, competes the next day with a hang-over, then on cbs
promos it claims bode skis drunk and so miller has to apologize and not
CBS and/or 60 minutes?

you know, the media is something else. we need less talk and more
pitchforks & more torches. ]

And people wonder why Bode doesn't like talking to the press.....

Martha

i for one, will never talk to the press (except perhaps for time --
thanks for the last couple of issues). of course, that's a bit like
carrot top announcing he'll never do the cover of playgirl.

now for some inside wendyball:

i don't know wendy, never met and never will meet her. it wasn't
staged. i was merely trying to prove a few points. it kinda fell
apart when it i realized allie -- her sister -- was likely involved
with the alito hearings and likely gave me away early on, though i
can't say for certain.

i was using her, yeah, so i don't begrudge her for ignoring me. lol.
it's entirely the appropriate response. and it seemed she had a ton of
friends and didn't take the online thing seriously, so i doubt i've
done any harm. probably did the kid some good, if anything. i was
concerned i went a bit too far when she talked of being "blue" so i
tried to perk her up with some redhead poetry. lol. don't know if
that made a dent...

but she does exemplify a key trait of
sexy/powerful/rich/famous/popular/charming people... because people
come cheap to them -- like when she said she has so many friends she
can't keep track of them all -- they can treat people quite cheaply.
meaning: don't return emails, don't reply to posts, don't return phone
calls, always late, always cancel appointments, don't show up, etc.,
etc., etc. i mean, we all do that to a certain extent, but these kind
of people do all the freaking time -- and all those who worship them
let them get away with it (eyes rolling).

they also tend to sleep around all the freaking time. you think I'M
sociopathic? jesus christ, you should get to know their sex lives some
time. they leave a trail of broken hearts, broken self-esteems, broken
souls, broken sob sisters, broken stalkers, broken lives, broken
careers -- no exaggeration. not only do they not care about the lives
they consume and throw away, they LAUGH or BRAG about it when they're
not filled with contempt at their icky and pathetic "neediness" or
"clinginess" -- as if caring or loving them was some kind of disease to
be mocked at. it's like hating people who love you -- i always found
that a bit disturbing and a bit sociopathic.

c.k. dexter haven will now leave this post for the time being.

somewhat unrelated but i must relieve this off my chest before it's
lost into the ether. most americans love their life. it's fantastic.
they love where they are, they're satisfied with what they're doing and
they love their place in the world. they're not [censored]. they're
not worried. it's particularly true in rural america i believe, from
which i'm typing this. you people who think america has evil designs
on taking over your land. HA. america already has the best real
estate on the planet. americans are more worried about you coming over
here than about not taking enough territory for oil, basing rights,
etc. i'm not sure anti-americans fully appreciate this. the closest
that earth has come to heaven in its long arduous history, is in the
small towns of north america... i'm convinced of this. yeah, young men
join the armed forces for money and a chance to see the world, but it's
also this breathtaking pride of their community and this innate desire
to keep it that way for generations to come. i rarely, if ever, hear
of this but it's there every time i step outside. i see in the little
flags on their cars, in the big flags waving in the wind, in the
metaphorical flag waving across their hearts with every beat. they
know it's good though they [censored] all the time. they know it's worth
fighting for, though they complain 24/7. and by god, if it doesn't
flow through every fiber of their body and mind.

You are a Bushite [censored]. This country is the biggest threat to
global peace that ever existed, and your boy Bush is a murdering piece
of skanky [censored].

googlegroups2sucks said:

somewhat unrelated but i must relieve this off my chest before it's
lost into the ether. most americans love their life. it's fantastic.
they love where they are, they're satisfied with what they're doing and
they love their place in the world. they're not [censored]. they're
not worried. it's particularly true in rural america i believe, from
which i'm typing this. you people who think america has evil designs
on taking over your land. HA. america already has the best real
estate on the planet. americans are more worried about you coming over
here than about not taking enough territory for oil, basing rights,
etc. i'm not sure anti-americans fully appreciate this. the closest
that earth has come to heaven in its long arduous history, is in the
small towns of north america... i'm convinced of this. yeah, young men
join the armed forces for money and a chance to see the world, but it's
also this breathtaking pride of their community and this innate desire
to keep it that way for generations to come. i rarely, if ever, hear
of this but it's there every time i step outside. i see in the little
flags on their cars, in the big flags waving in the wind, in the
metaphorical flag waving across their hearts with every beat. they
know it's good though they [censored] all the time. they know it's worth
fighting for, though they complain 24/7. and by god, if it doesn't
flow through every fiber of their body and mind.

Dully said:

You are a Bushite [censored]. This country is the biggest threat to
global peace that ever existed, and your boy Bush is a murdering piece
of skanky [censored].

i've got about 1000 posts that says i'm not a bush supporter. it's all
there on google. i spent a good chunk of my spare time and tried like
hell to stop and/or mitigate the iraq war, then to support dean, then
to support kerry. all of which failed in crushing defeat thats i will
never fully tell you about. not only that, i know that bush and his
supporters absolutely ENJOYED seeing the agony of our defeats. they
get off on that. they're sadistic in the worst sense.

googlegroups2sucks said:

i've got about 1000 posts that says i'm not a bush supporter. it's all
there on google. i spent a good chunk of my spare time and tried like
hell to stop and/or mitigate the iraq war, then to support dean, then
to support kerry. all of which failed in crushing defeat thats i will
never fully tell you about. not only that, i know that bush and his
supporters absolutely ENJOYED seeing the agony of our defeats. they
get off on that. they're sadistic in the worst sense.

You are a Bushite, and you don't even know it. Anyone that can crow
about how great a country this is, is legally brain dead, or has been
in a coma for 6 years.

googlegroups2sucks said:

oh, and this is a key point so haven is back.

My friend, you are no C. K. Dexter Haven.

P.S. And although you're not, just in case you are, how about
introducing us to Tracy. Always been a fan.

Dr BOB said:

googlegroups2sucks said:

i've got about 1000 posts that says i'm not a bush supporter. it's all
there on google. i spent a good chunk of my spare time and tried like
hell to stop and/or mitigate the iraq war, then to support dean, then
to support kerry. all of which failed in crushing defeat thats i will
never fully tell you about. not only that, i know that bush and his
supporters absolutely ENJOYED seeing the agony of our defeats. they
get off on that. they're sadistic in the worst sense.

You are a Bushite, and you don't even know it. Anyone that can crow
about how great a country this is, is legally brain dead, or has been
in a coma for 6 years.

it's a super-complicated country with pockets of utter despair and
pockets of pure heaven. and like i told the other guy, read my posts.
i've written literally hundreds of posts attacking conservatives,
republicans and the bush admin.

Charlie Pendejo said:

googlegroups2sucks said:

oh, and this is a key point so haven is back.

My friend, you are no C. K. Dexter Haven.

shhh. keep it down, please.

Quoted message said:

P.S. And although you're not, just in case you are, how about
introducing us to Tracy. Always been a fan.

it's all there in my previous posts, if you're really interested.

i want to make clear i'm not saying you gotta hate or avoid anyone who
is popular/sexy/famous/rich/powerful/charismatic/etc. i'm saying be
wary of worshipping them. if you're fine with loving them without
expecting a hint of reciprocity i think that's fine, even though i
wouldn't recommend it. and i'm kinda defending them in one respect,
because i think 9 out of 10 of us would react similarily if we had
scores or hundreds or thousands of people wanting your undivided
attention day after day. in the case of politicians or leaders in
companies or any large organizations, they can't be obsessed with
showing appropriate appreciation or they won't get anything done
because there's always time or money or quality constraints at the very
least. it's a common problem at work.

it's somewhat similar on a personal level. how many guys know what
it's like to be a hot chick that's hit upon all the time? after a
couple thousand experiences that roughly run along the same lines, it
shouldn't be surprising if hot women start to regard men not so much as
human beings, but as sources of aggravation. they don't want to be
worshipped, even though they may love the attention at times.

to followers/worshippers: please don't worship anyone.

to those who are worshipped or loved by many: please try to have a
little more regard for the frailties of others.

i initially had planned to use this whole wendy episode to launch a
campaign on reducing the divorce rate (hey, stop laughing) because of
the enormous damage it does to kids and just about everyone else
connected to a divorce, but... sigh... i'm running out of steam again.
anyway, the main push would've revolved around the importance of making
the right selection in the first place; the short-term passion (looks)
vs. long-term contentment (values) tradeoffs; what qualities to look
for; the dangers of too much foolin' around; etc. all of which i've
outlined already. the theocon approach of reducing the divorce rate by
bashing gays and thumping the bible is just absurdly insane, imho.