Kimberly Bruckner

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Humm... she couldn't beat the SM3's. Gee, wonder if she
can beat the 4's.

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123 women
and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages to get
better competition. I wonder how a person changes categories
DURING a stage race?

-WG

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Humm... she couldn't beat the SM3's. Gee, wonder if she
can beat the

4's.

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123
women and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages to
get better competition. I wonder how a person changes
categories DURING a stage race?

-WG

I'm sure she's just doing it for training, and doesn't are
about her results. Maybe switching made her ineligible for
prize money. I'm sure the women were okay with it.

As to the OP's comment; did you not notice that her time in
the ITT would have put her in 6th place in the pro/1/2 men
(out 75), and 2nd place in the cat-3 men (out of 94). And
yes, she beat all the cat-4's, by plenty. Maybe you also
didn't see that some guys even _I_ have heard of were well
behind her in the ITT; Chris Wherry, Danny Pate, Dirk Friel
(is he good? I don't know) to name a few.

Also, did you not notice that in stage 2, she was the first
across the line after the break, which all had the same
time. Maybe you also need it pointed out to you that the
2nd, 4th, and 6th place finishers in the cat-3 ITT also did
not make the break and in fact finished well behind her.
Anybody who races knows that just because you're talented
doesn't mean that you make every break. She missed it for
whatever reason, but so did 78 other guys, and she lost the
least time of all 78. Last but not least, she was
undoubtedly racing w/o teammates.

As for stage 3, she was 9th out of 61 finishers (a
bunch obviously DNF'd). Yes, I guess she is no good, no
good at all.

Humm... Suz

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In article <[email hidden]>, Sierraman

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Humm... she couldn't beat the SM3's. Gee, wonder if
she can beat the

4's.

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123
women and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages
to get better competition. I wonder how a person changes
categories DURING a stage race?

-WG

I'm sure she's just doing it for training, and doesn't are
about her results. Maybe switching made her ineligible for
prize money. I'm sure

the

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women were okay with it.

As to the OP's comment; did you not notice that her time
in the ITT would have put her in 6th place in the pro/1/2
men (out 75), and 2nd place in

the

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cat-3 men (out of 94). And yes, she beat all the cat-4's,
by plenty.

Maybe

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you also didn't see that some guys even _I_ have heard of
were well behind her in the ITT; Chris Wherry, Danny Pate,
Dirk Friel (is he good? I don't know) to name a few.

Also, did you not notice that in stage 2, she was the
first across the

line

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after the break, which all had the same time. Maybe you
also need it pointed out to you that the 2nd, 4th, and 6th
place finishers in the cat-3 ITT also did not make the
break and in fact finished well behind her. Anybody who
races knows that just because you're talented doesn't mean

that

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you make every break. She missed it for whatever reason,
but so did 78 other guys, and she lost the least time of
all 78. Last but not least,

she

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was undoubtedly racing w/o teammates.

As for stage 3, she was 9th out of 61 finishers (a
bunch obviously DNF'd). Yes, I guess she is no good, no
good at all.

Humm... Suz

Yes, I noticed some of the things you pointed out. I know
she can beat the 4's. I just worded it that way to bait some
responses. It's hard to get anyone interested in talking the
girls, except Longo and Jeanson but Bruckner was considered
out best, her results have been lacking the last year or so
but then she had the cancer ordeal to contend with. I
actually find it interesting that she was racing with the
men. Bruckner is good but we don't really have a stand out
rider like Bessette or Jeanson here in America. Lungskog
said she wanted to race with the men a while back. I wonder
if she ever did?

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In article <[email hidden]>, Sierraman

Quoted message said:

Humm... she couldn't beat the SM3's. Gee, wonder if
she can beat the

4's.

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123
women and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages
to get better competition. I wonder how a person changes
categories DURING a stage race?

-WG

I'm sure she's just doing it for training, and doesn't are
about her results. Maybe switching made her ineligible for
prize money. I'm sure

the

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women were okay with it.

As to the OP's comment; did you not notice that her time
in the ITT would have put her in 6th place in the pro/1/2
men (out 75), and 2nd place in

the

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cat-3 men (out of 94). And yes, she beat all the cat-4's,
by plenty.

Maybe

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you also didn't see that some guys even _I_ have heard of
were well behind her in the ITT; Chris Wherry, Danny Pate,
Dirk Friel (is he good? I don't know) to name a few.

Also, did you not notice that in stage 2, she was the
first across the

line

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after the break, which all had the same time. Maybe you
also need it pointed out to you that the 2nd, 4th, and 6th
place finishers in the cat-3 ITT also did not make the
break and in fact finished well behind her. Anybody who
races knows that just because you're talented doesn't mean

that

Quoted message said:

you make every break. She missed it for whatever reason,
but so did 78 other guys, and she lost the least time of
all 78. Last but not least,

she

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was undoubtedly racing w/o teammates.

As for stage 3, she was 9th out of 61 finishers (a
bunch obviously DNF'd). Yes, I guess she is no good, no
good at all.

Humm... Suz

Here's a news flash. Mari Holden will be on David
Letterman May 13th.

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Yes, I noticed some of the things you pointed out. I know
she can beat the 4's. I just worded it that way to bait
some responses. It's hard to get anyone interested in
talking the girls,

Okay, you're forgiven. I thought that was an odd statement,
coming from you.

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Bruckner was considered out best, her results have been
lacking the last year or so but then she had the cancer
ordeal to contend with. I actually find it interesting
that she was racing with the men. Bruckner is good but we
don't really have a stand out rider like Bessette or
Jeanson here in America. Lungskog said she wanted to race
with the men a while back. I wonder if she ever did?

Racing with the boys can be fun, though I'm not good enough
to hang with the cat 1/2's. Most guys are pretty nice to us
chicas, yet still treat us like equals. Though I remember
one bozo who kept trying to steal the wheel Iwas camped
solidly onto. I refused to budge, and finally had to elbow
him away, when I realized it was someone I know (and who can
be a bit of an ass). I'm beting he didn't try any of that
[censored] with the guys his own size.

I did most of the early season training races with the cat-3
boys, (to get some big back experience in prep for Redlands)
and it was becoming quite a trend. One March cat-3 (men's)
race had no fewer than 7 women starting although admittedly,
some of them probably shouldn't have been there. My most fun
time in the training races was the day I started with the
women; had a mechanical; fixed it and jumped back on the
road, only to be caught by the Master A/B men. Finished
their race with them, obviously not contesting the sprint.
As if I could anyway. (They were fun, and so laid back. Some
dudes were still having a conversation 1 km from the finish.
Most seemd quite happy to have me there.) Then an hour
later, started the cat-3 boys race, finishing 2 of 4 laps
with the pack before voluntarily dropping out. I'm sure I
was the only person to race in 3 different fields that day,
and finish none of them. :-)

Suz

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some big back experience in prep for Redlands) > >

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Oops, I meant pack. Big PACK experience. Thank you.

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Yes, I noticed some of the things you pointed out. I
know she can beat

the

Quoted message said:

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4's. I just worded it that way to bait some responses.
It's hard to get anyone interested in talking the girls,

Okay, you're forgiven. I thought that was an odd
statement, coming from you.

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Bruckner was considered out best, her results have been
lacking the last year or so but then she had the cancer
ordeal to contend with. I

actually

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find it interesting that she was racing with the men.
Bruckner is good

but

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we don't really have a stand out rider like Bessette
or Jeanson here in America. Lungskog said she wanted
to race with the men a while back. I wonder if she
ever did?

Racing with the boys can be fun, though I'm not good
enough to hang with

the

Quoted message said:

cat 1/2's. Most guys are pretty nice to us chicas, yet
still treat us

like

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equals. Though I remember one bozo who kept trying to
steal the wheel

Iwas

Quoted message said:

camped solidly onto. I refused to budge, and finally had
to elbow him

away,

Quoted message said:

when I realized it was someone I know (and who can be a
bit of an ass).

I'm

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beting he didn't try any of that [censored] with the guys his
own size.

I did most of the early season training races with the cat-
3 boys, (to get some big back experience in prep for
Redlands) and it was becoming quite a trend. One March cat-
3 (men's) race had no fewer than 7 women starting although
admittedly, some of them probably shouldn't have been
there. My most fun time in the training races was the day
I started with the women; had a mechanical; fixed it and
jumped back on the road, only to be caught

by

Quoted message said:

the Master A/B men. Finished their race with them,
obviously not

contesting

Quoted message said:

the sprint. As if I could anyway. (They were fun, and so
laid back.

Some

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dudes were still having a conversation 1 km from the
finish. Most seemd quite happy to have me there.) Then an
hour later, started the cat-3 boys race, finishing 2 of 4
laps with the pack before voluntarily dropping out. I'm
sure I was the only person to race in 3 different fields
that day, and finish none of them. :-)

Suz

Interesting story, heres one for you. Short but sweet. I
used to climb with a few local cat-1,2 on climbs here in the
Sierras. One day during the summer when I was feeling my
oats and climbing pretty well near Greedly Hill on a big
climb, I got passed by a girl who flew past me, and she was
really hammering away. I was about half spent from two
previous huge climbs but I tried to get her wheel. I finally
gave up as I knew I needed to throttle back as I still had a
couple of big climbs left to get home. Who was she? I don't
know, but the babycakes could climb like a deer. You never
know when someone might be stalking your wheel on a big
climb here. Another time I caught the wheel of a girl that
was just blazing down Greedley Hill, I followed her for a
few miles and when I passed her I noticed she was foaming at
the mouth. She was really gasping, as I was barely
breathing, but she sure gave it a hell of an effort. Never
knew who that girl was that passed me on the climb, maybe
Jeanson. Just kidding!

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Yes, I noticed some of the things you pointed out. I
know she can beat

the

Quoted message said:

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4's. I just worded it that way to bait some responses.
It's hard to get anyone interested in talking the girls,

Okay, you're forgiven. I thought that was an odd
statement, coming from you.

Quoted message said:

Bruckner was considered out best, her results have been
lacking the last year or so but then she had the cancer
ordeal to contend with. I

actually

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find it interesting that she was racing with the men.
Bruckner is good

but

Quoted message said:

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we don't really have a stand out rider like Bessette
or Jeanson here in America. Lungskog said she wanted
to race with the men a while back. I wonder if she
ever did?

Racing with the boys can be fun, though I'm not good
enough to hang with

the

Quoted message said:

cat 1/2's. Most guys are pretty nice to us chicas, yet
still treat us

like

Quoted message said:

equals. Though I remember one bozo who kept trying to
steal the wheel

Iwas

Quoted message said:

camped solidly onto. I refused to budge, and finally had
to elbow him

away,

Quoted message said:

when I realized it was someone I know (and who can be a
bit of an ass).

I'm

Quoted message said:

beting he didn't try any of that [censored] with the guys his
own size.

I did most of the early season training races with the cat-
3 boys, (to get some big back experience in prep for
Redlands) and it was becoming quite a trend. One March cat-
3 (men's) race had no fewer than 7 women starting although
admittedly, some of them probably shouldn't have been
there. My most fun time in the training races was the day
I started with the women; had a mechanical; fixed it and
jumped back on the road, only to be caught

by

Quoted message said:

the Master A/B men. Finished their race with them,
obviously not

contesting

Quoted message said:

the sprint. As if I could anyway. (They were fun, and so
laid back.

Some

Quoted message said:

dudes were still having a conversation 1 km from the
finish. Most seemd quite happy to have me there.) Then an
hour later, started the cat-3 boys race, finishing 2 of 4
laps with the pack before voluntarily dropping out. I'm
sure I was the only person to race in 3 different fields
that day, and finish none of them. :-)

Suz

Post trivia...

One of the coolest races this year was Flèche Wallonne. The
Dream team of east meets west was cool as the 4 of the best
in the world were in a break. Luperini, Brandli, Bessette
and Jeanson.

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some big back experience in prep for Redlands) > >

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Oops, I meant pack. Big PACK experience. Thank you.

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😄 - I noticed that and thought you'd have to be racing with
the Masters Fatties to get that big back experience...

I'll be racing with the dudes until Phili - it is better
training, but when only 8 women show up for their race, I
feel pretty guilty. If it's a crit, I'll do both, but road
races are another story.

On Tue, 11 May 2004 22:09:57 -0700, "Suz" <[email hidden]>

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I'm sure I was the only person to race in 3 different
fields that day, and finish none of them. :-)

Not related to women racing with men, but a number of years
ago we had a big women's crit where I live, and one of the
local women did the women's 4s, got second, upgraded to 3
(she had previous points on her license) and did the women's
3 race, and then did the women's 1-2-3. I think she won
money in all three races.

JT

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Humm... she couldn't beat the SM3's. Gee, wonder if
she can beat the

4's.

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123
women and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages
to get better competition. I wonder how a person changes
categories DURING a stage race?

Yes, I guess she is no good, no good at all.

Suz, you could have made the point more poinantly with a
simple "DUMBASS!"

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123
women and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages to
get better competition. I wonder how a person changes
categories DURING a stage race?

-WG

According to the race website's list of pre-reg riders, Ms.
Bruckner was listed in the Cat 3 men. She also started her
TT within the time slot of the Cat 3 men, some 90 minutes
or so prior to when the P-1-2-3 women started. The local
paper the following morning had Kimberly listed in the
women's results for whatever reason, better story I guess.
It should also be pointed out that there was a strong
tailwind when both the SM4's and SM3's rode. The wind died
down and even shifted around somewhat by the time the P-1-2
men went later on in the evening. Having riden this time
trial course a half dozen or so times in the past I would
put the tailwind the SM3's had at about a 90 second
advantage over those of us that had no such tailwind later
in the evening. The last time we did this course as a time
trial was back in 1999. On a calm day, no Cat 4's broke 20
minutes, and only a handful of us racing Cat 3 broke 20.
Winning Cat 3 time was just a shade over 19 minutes.
Winning P-1-2 time that day was right around what Moninger
did this go around. Tough TT course for sure.

As for the road race the next day, read Chris Wherry's
comments about the dirt road section. I likened it to riding
through my kid's sandbox. Wherry made basically the same
comment to the reporters following the race. I'm sure
Kimberly has much bigger fish to fry then risk life and limb
amongst a group of Cat 3 guys on a road covered with 2
inches of soft sandlike dirt.

Eric

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she can beat the 4's.

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Looks like she won the first TT stage against the 123
women and then switched to SM3 for the final two stages
to get better competition. I wonder how a person changes
categories DURING a stage race?

-WG

According to the race website's list of pre-reg riders,
Ms. Bruckner was listed in the Cat 3 men. She also
started her TT within the time slot of the Cat 3 men,
some 90 minutes or so prior to when the P-1-2-3 women
started. The local paper the following morning had
Kimberly listed in the women's results for whatever
reason, better story I guess. It should also be pointed
out that there was a strong tailwind when both the SM4's
and SM3's rode. The wind died down and even shifted
around somewhat by the time the P-1-2 men went later on
in the evening. Having riden this time trial course a
half dozen or so times in the past I would put the
tailwind the SM3's had at about a 90 second advantage
over those of us that had no such tailwind later in the
evening. The last time we did this course as a time trial
was back in 1999. On a calm day, no Cat 4's broke 20
minutes, and only a handful of us racing Cat 3 broke 20.
Winning Cat 3 time was just a shade over 19 minutes.
Winning P-1-2 time that day was right around what
Moninger did this go around. Tough TT course for sure.

As for the road race the next day, read Chris Wherry's
comments about the dirt road section. I likened it to
riding through my kid's sandbox. Wherry made basically the
same comment to the reporters following the race. I'm sure
Kimberly has much bigger fish to fry then risk life and
limb amongst a group of Cat 3 guys on a road covered with
2 inches of soft sandlike dirt.

Eric

I think she is cute. She had cancer and is now racing with
the cat 3's. That is so hot...

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I think she is cute. She had cancer and is now racing with
the cat 3's. That is so hot...

Yeah, she's hot. No doubt about it.

Tom