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  1. This isn't OT.

    See

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    "Fatal crash: driver banned

    April 16, 2004 07:00

    A 23-year-old man was yesterday fined £600 and banned from
    driving for 12 months after he admitted failing to stop in
    an accident in which a 33-year-old King's Lynn man died.

    Jason Wyllie, of Templemead, appeared at King's Lynn
    Magistrates' Court where he admitted careless driving,
    failing to stop and failing to report an accident.

    The charges related to an incident on the A148 Wootton Road,
    Lynn, in December last year.

    Wyllie had been driving his Ford Escort car after a day out
    with his partner and their three-year-old child.

    Dorothy Pulsford-Harris, prosecuting, told the court Wyllie
    was travelling towards South Wootton when he was involved in
    a collision with cyclist Thomas Meehan, of Lowfields, Lynn.

    Mr Meehan died at the scene from his multiple injuries.

    The court heard that Wyllie made no attempt to report the
    accident nor to stop at the scene.

    When police subsequently interviewed him, Wyllie originally
    said he had hit a deer.

    Neil Meachem, for Wyllie, said he claimed the cyclist just
    appeared in front of him, giving him no chance to stop.

    Mr Meachem added: "He then panicked and drove on and made
    his way home." But Wyllie had been extremely upset and
    deeply regretted not reporting what happened.

    Sentencing Wyllie, magistrates' chairman Peter Hammond said:
    "This is an incident which ended with the death of Mr Meehan
    but there is nothing which this court can to do alter what
    has happened.

    "Mr Wyllie is clearly remorseful and it will probably haunt
    him for the rest of his days."

    But he said the incident was aggravated by Wyllie
    failing to stop and when seen by the police, he
    compounded this by lying.

    Wyllie was fined £200 for careless driving, £200 for failing
    to report an accident and £200 for failing to stop.

    He was also ordered to pay £60 costs and was banned from
    driving for 12 months.

    Wyllie will have to take another driving test when his ban
    is complete."

    So that's it then, once again it is shown that if you kill
    a cyclist, don't stop, don't report the "accident" and
    then lie to the police about it, it's worth a total of
    £660 and a 12-month ban. I can take on board that in a
    collision it isn't always the fault of the motorist but
    what I cannot stomach is the failure to stop, the non-
    reporting to the police and then the lying about it all.
    Bah! He is, IMO the scum of the earth for the total
    disregard for the life of another.

    helen s

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  2. On 16 Apr 2004 08:00:38 GMT someone who may be
    [email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote
    this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mr Meachem added: "He then panicked and drove on and made
    his way home." But Wyllie had been extremely upset and
    deeply regretted not reporting what happened.

    When did he become deeply upset and when did he deeply
    regret not reporting what happened? I suggest this
    conversion occurred a short time before the court
    appearance.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Mr Wyllie is clearly remorseful and it will probably
    haunt him for the rest of his days."

    Possibly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But he said the incident was aggravated by Wyllie failing
    to stop and when seen by the police, he compounded this
    by lying.

    So, he was not deeply upset and regretful when seen by the
    police. It would appear that he was not deeply upset and
    regretful for killing someone.

    Quoted message said:

    I can take on board that in a collision it isn't always the
    fault of the motorist but what I cannot stomach is the
    failure to stop, the non-reporting to the police and then
    the lying about it all. Bah! He is, IMO the scum of the
    earth for the total disregard for the life of another.

    Agreed. Upstanding people are prepared to be accountable for
    their actions, not try and worm their way out of things.

    --
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    government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  3. David Hansen said:

    When did he become deeply upset and when did he deeply
    regret not reporting what happened? I suggest this
    conversion occurred a short time before the court
    appearance.

    Probably it was about the time when he was apprehended and
    realised that he was going to be charged with leaving the
    scene, rather than the trivial offence of killing someone,
    so would probably lose his licence.

    --
    Guy
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  4. I note that Ashley Carpenter has been sent down for 16
    months for his tyre-slashing episode. It's interesting to
    reflect on how the law values human life against the
    airtightness of car tyres, don't you think?

    Full story:

    news.bbc.co.uk3
    632417.stm

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  5. Quoted message said:

    I note that Ashley Carpenter has been sent down for 16
    months for his tyre-slashing episode. It's interesting to
    reflect on how the law values human life against the
    airtightness of car tyres, don't you think?

    Full story:

    news.bbc.co.uk363
    2417.stm

    Crikey, imagine how long the puncture fairy'll be
    going down for!

  6. I would describe the penalty given out as nothing more than a mere inconvenience to the driver of the car.

    How can a few hundred quid and a 12 month ban possibly equate with killing someone by driving stupidly.

    This world is surely without reason!!!

  7. David Hansen said:


    On 16 Apr 2004 08:00:38 GMT someone who may be
    [email hidden]
    (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mr Meachem added: "He then panicked and drove on and
    made his way home." But Wyllie had been extremely upset
    and deeply regretted not reporting what happened.

    When did he become deeply upset and when did he deeply
    regret not reporting what happened?

    When the b*st*rd got caught.

    John B

  8. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:09:55 +0100, "Simon D" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I note that Ashley Carpenter has been sent down for 16
    months for his tyre-slashing episode. It's interesting to
    reflect on how the law values human life against the
    airtightness of car tyres, don't you think?

    Full story:

    news.bbc.co.uk36
    32417.stm

    Thats him dealt with.. Now nail the gits with the
    hedge trimmers.

    Richard Webb

  9. On the Continent (or in the EU), isn't the Law that if a driver hits a cyclist, it is automatically the driver's fault unless the circumstances show beyond all reasonable doubt that the cyclist is to blame.

    Therefore, if a driver hits a cyclist, and it is the driver's fault, isn't it an automatic charge of manslaughter?

  10. dannyfrankszzz said:

    On the Continent (or in the EU), isn't the Law that if a
    driver hits a cyclist, it is automatically the driver's
    fault unless the circumstances show beyond all reasonable
    doubt that the cyclist is to blame.

    Depends on the jurisdiction. Some countrie have laws like
    this, others do not.

    --
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  11. dannyfrankszzz said:

    On the Continent (or in the EU), isn't the Law that if a
    driver hits a cyclist, it is automatically the driver's
    fault unless the circumstances show beyond all reasonable
    doubt that the cyclist is to blame.

    I remembered a law like that in the Netherlands and found a
    1-page summary which I will summarise further...: A law
    stating that the driver of the car in a collision involving
    pedestrians or cyclists is always fully responsible was
    proposed in 1997. It met with a lot of resistance and was
    withdrawn in 1999. A new version was amended to excempt
    situations where the pedestrian/cyclist was acting
    "recklessly". As this term wasn't defined very clearly this
    law disappeared as well. Current situation is the
    jurispridence which has grown over time. This is that the
    driver is responsible for at least 50% of the damages, the
    other 50% is divided according to who's fault it was. If the
    cyclist is younger than 14 the driver is almost always held
    responsible.

    (and this raises probably more questions than it answers...)

    Roos

  12. [email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Sentencing Wyllie, magistrates' chairman Peter Hammond
    said: "This is an incident which ended with the death of
    Mr Meehan but there is nothing which this court can to do
    alter what has happened.

    "Mr Wyllie is clearly remorseful and it will probably
    haunt him for the rest of his days."

    I'm sure there's people convicted of manslaughter who are
    full of remorse and will be haunted for the rest of their
    days, but since when have they gotten off with a fine?

    Quoted message said:


    But he said the incident was aggravated by Wyllie failing
    to stop and when seen by the police, he compounded this
    by lying.

    Surely if he'd been so remorseful he wouldn't have hidden
    what he'd done.

    Sickening.

  13. "dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A 23-year-old man was yesterday fined £600 and banned from
    driving for 12 months after he admitted failing to stop in
    an accident in which a


    33-year-old

    Quoted message said:

    King's Lynn man died.

    Contrast this to a local story where a young woman who was
    the getaway driver for a man who held up a security guard
    with a fake pistol was jailed for 9 years! Presumably she
    had no previous because it would normally be mentioned by
    the papers if she had. The judge said the harshness of the
    sentence was to reflect her lack of remorse. Within a few
    days of sentencing she committed suicide.

    So there you have it, presumably she would have been dealt
    with entirely differently if instead of being the getaway
    driver she had used the car to knock down the guard to
    enable her partner to relieve him of his money without
    recourse to a fake pistol.

    Something wrong somewhere :-( (And it's the leaving the
    scene that really pisses me off, the action of the
    morally bankrupt)
    --
    Regards, Pete

  14. "dannyfrankszzz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I would describe the penalty given out as nothing more
    than a mere inconvenience to the driver of the car.

    How can a few hundred quid and a 12 month ban possibly
    equate with killing someone by driving stupidly.

    This world is surely without reason!!!


    How do you know he was driving stupidly? Don't get me wrong,
    he should have the book thrown at him for leaving the scene
    and not reporting it, but I see plenty of cyclists cycling
    stupidly as well as poor drivers.

  15. dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

    This isn't OT.

    "Fatal crash: driver banned

    Ah, the Motor Car - modern weapon of choice if you need to
    get rid of someone - presumably hit men must be suffering
    bad times...

    The modern world consists of some highly [censored] up
    values IMHO.

    --
    Chris

  16. [email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    So that's it then, once again it is shown that if you kill
    a cyclist, don't stop, don't report the "accident" and
    then lie to the police about it, it's worth a total of
    £660 and a 12-month ban. I can take on board that in a
    collision it isn't always the fault of the motorist but
    what I cannot stomach is the failure to stop, the non-
    reporting to the police and then the lying about it all.
    Bah! He is, IMO the scum of the earth for the total
    disregard for the life of another.

    Thanks, Helen. My sentiments exactly. :-(

    --
    Dave...

  17. Mark Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Crikey, imagine how long the puncture fairy'll be going
    down for!

    Those are only bicycle tyres and therefore don't count. The
    only people inconvenienced are cyclists whose lives are
    worth less than a few MDG tyres.

    --
    Dave...

  18. "Dave Kahn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Mark Thompson <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message


    news:<[email hidden]>.-
    ..

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Crikey, imagine how long the puncture fairy'll be going
    down for!

    Those are only bicycle tyres and therefore don't count.
    The only people inconvenienced are cyclists whose lives
    are worth less than a few MDG tyres.


    The no stop killer driver ought really to get a visit
    from the relatives of the bereaved and have his lying
    tongue cut out.

  19. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:38:50 +0000 (UTC), Iain Jones
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure there's people convicted of manslaughter who are
    full of remorse and will be haunted for the rest of their
    days, but since when have they gotten off with a fine?

    Recidivism rates for murder and manslaughter are far lower
    than for bad driving, for sure.

    --
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  20. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:59:53 +0100, "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    How do you know he was driving stupidly?

    What incentive is there to leave the scene if he was
    innocent?

    In the last such case there was evidence that the driver had
    been drinking. Her contrition surfaced the following
    morning, when she presented herself at the cop shop (the
    punishment was still less than she would have got for DD,
    even though she killed someone, failed to stop and give aid,
    failed to call an ambulance, and failed to report at the
    time). There is no suggestion this driver gave himself up
    prior to being traced.

    In any case, I have read that leaving the scene is becoming
    more common where the driver is over the limit. Causing
    death is treated more leniently than drunk driving. Which is
    utterly wrong, in my view.

    --
    Guy
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