"Killfiles".

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

While Williams beavers away trying to find the definitive "killfile"
criteria, in another attempt to disbar his enemies from MFW, a task
in which I suspect he is likely to find only limited success, let us
look again at my views on "killfiling":

What is the point of killfiles? If you don't want to read someone's
contributions, just ignore them and pass on by. Williams has always
proudly proclaimed that he has never "killfiled" anyone.

Genuine "killfiling" (if there is such a thing) must be like a mole
burrowing underground, oblivious to what is going on other than on its
own chosen course. The "killfiles" may delete the offending posters
from the killfilers in-box, but they remain in all other posts in any
particular thread and are therefore always highly visible, unless you
"killfile" the thread or extend the "killfiling" to all respondents.

The use of "killfiles" is normally the defensive reaction of some
would-be stroppy [censored], who has given another contributor the [censored],
got more than he bargained for and decides to run for cover. That way
he can make out he can't see what his former antagonist is saying, and
therefore (he thinks) he is honourably excused from all further
response.

The truth of the matter is that most killfilers don't actually
"killfile" anyone. They are terrified of missing something so they
read everything but then think they have a good excuse not to respond.
In a nutshell, "killfiles" are nothing more or less than an alleged
hiding place for the faint of heart.

So in a nutshell, whatever Williams comes up with, MFW will remain
pretty much as it always has. The exception may be that those who want
to play Williams' little game, will simply talk only to each other and
proclaim how wonderful Williams is, and how nice it is to be rid of
the "trolls"

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

I'm sorry I can't respond to this as I have you "killfiled".

John said:

Charles said:

The exception may be that those who want
to play Williams' little game, will simply talk only to each other and
proclaim how wonderful Williams is, and how nice it is to be rid of
the "trolls"

Sounds pretty good to me, even without the proclamations of gratitude.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

I don't think that anything can make him less of a schmuck.

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

While Williams beavers away trying to find the definitive "killfile"
criteria, in another attempt to disbar his enemies from MFW, a task
in which I suspect he is likely to find only limited success, let us
look again at my views on "killfiling":

What is the point of killfiles? If you don't want to read someone's
contributions, just ignore them and pass on by. Williams has always
proudly proclaimed that he has never "killfiled" anyone.

Genuine "killfiling" (if there is such a thing) must be like a mole
burrowing underground, oblivious to what is going on other than on its
own chosen course. The "killfiles" may delete the offending posters
from the killfilers in-box, but they remain in all other posts in any
particular thread and are therefore always highly visible, unless you
"killfile" the thread or extend the "killfiling" to all respondents.

The use of "killfiles" is normally the defensive reaction of some
would-be stroppy [censored], who has given another contributor the [censored],
got more than he bargained for and decides to run for cover. That way
he can make out he can't see what his former antagonist is saying, and
therefore (he thinks) he is honourably excused from all further
response.

The truth of the matter is that most killfilers don't actually
"killfile" anyone. They are terrified of missing something so they
read everything but then think they have a good excuse not to respond.
In a nutshell, "killfiles" are nothing more or less than an alleged
hiding place for the faint of heart.

So in a nutshell, whatever Williams comes up with, MFW will remain
pretty much as it always has. The exception may be that those who want
to play Williams' little game, will simply talk only to each other and
proclaim how wonderful Williams is, and how nice it is to be rid of
the "trolls"

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

I'm sorry I can't respond to this as I have you "killfiled".

Um, er, uh.....

Charles said:

JMW said:

Lee Michaels said:

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote
> "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>And, in case you are too dense to understand, there is little
>>constructive activity taking place when certain folks post
>>here. The simple way to handle it is just to killfile. But chucky
>>just keeps changing his addy. He has changed it already in this
>>thread. Because he can't stand the idea that I would not read
>>him. Apparently he is obsessed with me.
>
> I'm working on it, Lee. If he's the only one around here that still
> uses the Berlin server, I may have an answer.

Thank you John.
I think that Dally is using the individual.net server.

Yes. I just checked. But there's a workaround. She uses Mozilla;
Hudson uses Agent. It can still be done.

Sure it can John Boy, are you having a great time?

What if I just use my Outlook Express account, which is all set up,
with my alternatives servers?

This is going to be so much fun, and will give me a chance to hone my
skills.

Were you all using a decent OS like Linux with its newsreaders, there
wouldn't be a need for hopping backwards and things like nfilter. For
example, slrn can score articles based on any header and filter them
through regular expressions.

Not that I use that capability here because I never read MFW.
So, speaking of that, stop editing MY \\dreaded// (alleged)
killfiles <spit> and subscribing me to MFW.

Back to the bozo bin.

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> sputtered:

<snipped>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

But full-text-quoting him makes YOU more of a schmuck.

HTH

Dally

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> sputtered:

<snipped>

<re-entered>

Quoted message said:

While Williams beavers away trying to find the definitive "killfile"
criteria, in another attempt to disbar his enemies from MFW, a task
in which I suspect he is likely to find only limited success, let us
look again at my views on "killfiling":

What is the point of killfiles? If you don't want to read someone's
contributions, just ignore them and pass on by. Williams has always
proudly proclaimed that he has never "killfiled" anyone.

Genuine "killfiling" (if there is such a thing) must be like a mole
burrowing underground, oblivious to what is going on other than on its
own chosen course. The "killfiles" may delete the offending posters
from the killfilers in-box, but they remain in all other posts in any
particular thread and are therefore always highly visible, unless you
"killfile" the thread or extend the "killfiling" to all respondents.

The use of "killfiles" is normally the defensive reaction of some
would-be stroppy [censored], who has given another contributor the [censored],
got more than he bargained for and decides to run for cover. That way
he can make out he can't see what his former antagonist is saying, and
therefore (he thinks) he is honourably excused from all further
response.

The truth of the matter is that most killfilers don't actually
"killfile" anyone. They are terrified of missing something so they
read everything but then think they have a good excuse not to respond.
In a nutshell, "killfiles" are nothing more or less than an alleged
hiding place for the faint of heart.

So in a nutshell, whatever Williams comes up with, MFW will remain
pretty much as it always has. The exception may be that those who want
to play Williams' little game, will simply talk only to each other and
proclaim how wonderful Williams is, and how nice it is to be rid of
the "trolls"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

But full-text-quoting him makes YOU more of a schmuck.

I did it just for you, sexy.

"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> sputtered:

<snipped>

<re-entered>

Quoted message said:

While Williams beavers away trying to find the definitive "killfile"
criteria, in another attempt to disbar his enemies from MFW, a task
in which I suspect he is likely to find only limited success, let us
look again at my views on "killfiling":

What is the point of killfiles? If you don't want to read someone's
contributions, just ignore them and pass on by. Williams has always
proudly proclaimed that he has never "killfiled" anyone.

Genuine "killfiling" (if there is such a thing) must be like a mole
burrowing underground, oblivious to what is going on other than on its
own chosen course. The "killfiles" may delete the offending posters
from the killfilers in-box, but they remain in all other posts in any
particular thread and are therefore always highly visible, unless you
"killfile" the thread or extend the "killfiling" to all respondents.

The use of "killfiles" is normally the defensive reaction of some
would-be stroppy [censored], who has given another contributor the [censored],
got more than he bargained for and decides to run for cover. That way
he can make out he can't see what his former antagonist is saying, and
therefore (he thinks) he is honourably excused from all further
response.

The truth of the matter is that most killfilers don't actually
"killfile" anyone. They are terrified of missing something so they
read everything but then think they have a good excuse not to respond.
In a nutshell, "killfiles" are nothing more or less than an alleged
hiding place for the faint of heart.

So in a nutshell, whatever Williams comes up with, MFW will remain
pretty much as it always has. The exception may be that those who want
to play Williams' little game, will simply talk only to each other and
proclaim how wonderful Williams is, and how nice it is to be rid of
the "trolls"

Quoted message said:

>Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

But full-text-quoting him makes YOU more of a schmuck.

I did it just for you, sexy.

Sexy! LOL!

John said:

I did it just for you, sexy.

Sorry, I've got a headache.

Dally

Charles said:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:08:27 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Charles" babbles some more [censored]

I know chucky doesn't know the meaning of big words like hypocrite.

I guess he is busy in his make believe world creating wars and dramas
where none exists.

But if reasonable people want to avoid his constant blathering, they must
killfile him twenty times a week because he constantly changes his e-mail
addy.

Which means he show ups everywhere, no matter haow people try to avoid
him. Which means that chucky is truly evil. Killfiles would be a means to
avoid somebody. It implies that individuals have an actual choice about
who they want to read. But chucky won't allow it. His constant drivel is a
campaign to make sure no training or nutrition topics are ever discussed
in MFW.

Which simply means that his warped needs and fantasies have the effect of
killing a once vital newgroup. If you want to know when the big event
occurred that killed this newsgroup, It is when the dreaded HUDSON
(chucky) persona showed up and stunk the place up. And like a stubborn
fungus, he won't leave.

The reason that chucky has to identify me as a troll is because I do
directly address his sick troll campaign for what it is. I do remember a
time when varied EXPERTS did address various training concerns. Since
chucky has no such expertise, he moved in and made MFW his own personal
host. Which every parasite requires.

And make no mistake, Chucky is horrified to have any kind of nfilter
information made available to this group. I introduced the nfilter idea
based on the successful implementation in another newgroup.

It ain't no secret that chucky will be indentified as a troll and put into
these filters by many people. And these prople will be making their own
decisions. Democracy in action. Unlike the gang of trolls approach that
chucky loves so much.

I don't know what will happen. But rest assured, nobody will make any
meaningful changes in their life or body because of anything that chucky
says.

But . . . . but . . .Lee . . . could you 'splain something to me. I gather
that you would like to killfile Charles but he foxes you by changing his
addy. So he comes up as a post under his name 'Charles'. So, being an
intelligent person as we all know that you are, when you see a post with the
name "Charles" and knowing that you do not want to be bothered by people
whose name is "Charles", why don't you simply IGNORE these posts with that
name? What about that big word 'hypocrite'? You've never killfiled anyone
Lee - you can't bear to miss anything.

You make some good points David, which of course he won't be able to
address because he *is* a "troll" and simply won't admit it.

Or could it be that he has you two "killfiled" and therefore can't see you?

Oops, I guess looking up destroys that theory, ;~)

Ryan

Dally said:

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> sputtered:

<snipped>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

But full-text-quoting him makes YOU more of a schmuck.

HTH

Dally

Is Dally defending Charles? Even in a round a bout way?

Me thinks I just saw a pig on the wing go by the office winder.

Dally said:

John said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> sputtered:

<snipped>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember where you heard it first. ;o)

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

But full-text-quoting him makes YOU more of a schmuck.

HTH

Dally

Is Dally defending Charles? Even in a round a bout way?

Me thinks I just saw a pig on the wing go by the office winder.

In article <[email hidden]>, Dally <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John said:

I did it just for you, sexy.

Sorry, I've got a headache.

Dally

<lol>

Thanks for the laugh Dally!

;-D
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Charles said:

Ellis said:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:21:20 +0000, Charles <[email hidden]> wrote:

OK, so no one really has you killfiled. We're all secretly hanging on
your every word.

I always knew that, but it is tremendously satisfying to have it
confirmed by a not "troll".

Quoted message said:

So now will you stop changing your address every five minutes you
nutjob?

I was thinking for a moment, how nice to hear from Ellis after all
this time, and then you went and spoiled it.

Why does my email address so bother some of you? When I used to post
in my own name and used my real email address, I was inundated with
the most foul filth imaginable, obviously constructed by some very
sick people here.

No one is asking you to use your real email address. They are simply
asking you to use the same fake email address all of the time.

Quoted message said:

Even Keith who is everyone''s chum, had the same problem, and you
ask me why I keep changing it? There are other reasons, which are
more than obvious, but none of them are to do with evading
"killfiles", because I don't give a [censored] whether you "killfile" me
or not. All the rest of my input remains exactly the same, so
*really* "killfiling" me should be relatively simple.

Then why change your address. Heck, my newsreader actually allows me
to raise the score of posters that I feel are worth highlighting. In
fact, it sorts the threads according to which threads have the most
interesting participants and subjects. People that change their
aliases a lot tend to have low scores.

Of course, that's actually part of the beauty. For the most part
people that have something to say don't spend all of their time and
effort trying to avoid killfiles.

Quoted message said:

Now when Williams comes up with his master plan to exclude me from the
Group, that will be a different matter, and I will be only too pleased
to make him look the pratt he really is, by successfully evading his
attempts at regaining control of the Group.

I have a hard time believing that adding you to a killfile (or
lowering your score in my case) is more difficult than changing your
alias (not to mention changing your server).

Jason

Charles said:

Ellis said:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:21:20 +0000, Charles <[email hidden]> wrote:

OK, so no one really has you killfiled. We're all secretly hanging on
your every word.

I always knew that, but it is tremendously satisfying to have it
confirmed by a not "troll".

Quoted message said:

So now will you stop changing your address every five minutes you
nutjob?

I was thinking for a moment, how nice to hear from Ellis after all
this time, and then you went and spoiled it.

Why does my email address so bother some of you? When I used to post
in my own name and used my real email address, I was inundated with
the most foul filth imaginable, obviously constructed by some very
sick people here.

No one is asking you to use your real email address. They are simply
asking you to use the same fake email address all of the time.

Quoted message said:

Even Keith who is everyone''s chum, had the same problem, and you
ask me why I keep changing it? There are other reasons, which are
more than obvious, but none of them are to do with evading
"killfiles", because I don't give a [censored] whether you "killfile" me
or not. All the rest of my input remains exactly the same, so
*really* "killfiling" me should be relatively simple.

Then why change your address. Heck, my newsreader actually allows me
to raise the score of posters that I feel are worth highlighting. In
fact, it sorts the threads according to which threads have the most
interesting participants and subjects. People that change their
aliases a lot tend to have low scores.

Of course, that's actually part of the beauty. For the most part
people that have something to say don't spend all of their time and
effort trying to avoid killfiles.

Quoted message said:

Now when Williams comes up with his master plan to exclude me from the
Group, that will be a different matter, and I will be only too pleased
to make him look the pratt he really is, by successfully evading his
attempts at regaining control of the Group.

I have a hard time believing that adding you to a killfile (or
lowering your score in my case) is more difficult than changing your
alias (not to mention changing your server).

Jason

Ryan Case said:

Is Dally defending Charles? Even in a round a bout way?

Me thinks I just saw a pig on the wing go by the office winder.

No, I was merely pointing out that full-text-quoting a guy that most of
us have kill-filed only serves to feed the troll by giving him more
exposure. You did the same thing and I just sighed sadly, having just
net-copped y-tu-mamma.

I figure you weren't broadcasting him on purpose, just out of laziness.
But spare a moment to trim, would you?

Dally

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Lee Michaels said:

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" teased

> JMW <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >And, in case you are too dense to understand, there is little
>> >constructive activity taking place when certain folks post here. The
>> >simple way to handle it is just to killfile. But chucky just keeps
>> >changing his addy. He has changed it already in this thread. Because
>> >he can't stand the idea that I would not read him. Apparently he is
>> >obsessed with me.
>>
>> I'm working on it, Lee. If he's the only one around here that still
>> uses the Berlin server, I may have an answer.
>
> Why is this so hard? Surely I can't be the only one here who's managed
> to figure out how to keep these asswads killfiled?

Maybe cuz us hamfisted guys just don't have your sweet, sensitve girly
touch??

Nah, it's probably because my silly old Mac-only newsreader actually has
a very functional and efficient killfile system.

In any case, I find the group perfectly readable if somewhat short on
content at the moment. I hope that the people who post good-to-read
things will sort out their killfiles and keep posting.

NewsWatcher?

I use MacSoup. I have NewsWatcher, but I prefer the MacSoup interface.
It's text-only, though - no binaries.

JMW said:

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

JMW said:

"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>And, in case you are too dense to understand, there is little
>constructive activity taking place when certain folks post here. The
>simple way to handle it is just to killfile. But chucky just keeps
>changing his addy. He has changed it already in this thread. Because
>he can't stand the idea that I would not read him. Apparently he is
>obsessed with me.

I'm working on it, Lee. If he's the only one around here that still
uses the Berlin server, I may have an answer.

Why is this so hard? Surely I can't be the only one here who's managed
to figure out how to keep these asswads killfiled?

By constantly adding each new nym?

Well, I do have several entries for repeat offenders, but I'm generally
able to specify just a part of the name that they use and that takes
care of it. They're not smart enough to fundamentally alter their
names, so any permutation of "omelet" goes straight to the bozo bin. I
have Billy killfiled by newsreader, so it doesn't matter how often he
changes his name or what he changes it to. In any case, it only takes
about ten seconds to make a new entry. It's totally worth it.

I have the option to killfile on the following header characteristics:

Distribution
Follow-up to
From
Keywords
Lines
Newsgroups
Organization
Path
Reply-to
Sender
Summary
Subject
User-agent
X-mailer
X-newsreader

Killfiled posts are downloaded as headers only, and I have the option to
download the post if I choose. I only see them in the graphical thread
display, or if I change my view of fresh posts to "new" instead of
"unread."

Dally said:

John said:

This dribble doesn't make you less of a schmuck.

But full-text-quoting him makes YOU more of a schmuck.

HTH

Also, the word is "drivel."

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

John said:

I did it just for you, sexy.

Sorry, I've got a headache.

Drink more coffee.

JMW said:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:57:19 GMT, "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

While Williams beavers away trying to find the definitive "killfile"
criteria, in another attempt to disbar his enemies from MFW, a task
in which I suspect he is likely to find only limited success, let us
look again at my views on "killfiling":

What is the point of killfiles? If you don't want to read someone's
contributions, just ignore them and pass on by. Williams has always
proudly proclaimed that he has never "killfiled" anyone.

Genuine "killfiling" (if there is such a thing) must be like a mole
burrowing underground, oblivious to what is going on other than on its
own chosen course. The "killfiles" may delete the offending posters
from the killfilers in-box, but they remain in all other posts in any
particular thread and are therefore always highly visible, unless you
"killfile" the thread or extend the "killfiling" to all respondents.

The use of "killfiles" is normally the defensive reaction of some
would-be stroppy [censored], who has given another contributor the [censored],
got more than he bargained for and decides to run for cover. That way
he can make out he can't see what his former antagonist is saying, and
therefore (he thinks) he is honourably excused from all further
response.

The truth of the matter is that most killfilers don't actually
"killfile" anyone. They are terrified of missing something so they
read everything but then think they have a good excuse not to respond.
In a nutshell, "killfiles" are nothing more or less than an alleged
hiding place for the faint of heart.

So in a nutshell, whatever Williams comes up with, MFW will remain
pretty much as it always has. The exception may be that those who want
to play Williams' little game, will simply talk only to each other and
proclaim how wonderful Williams is, and how nice it is to be rid of
the "trolls"

Quoted message said:

Sounds pretty good to me, even without the proclamations of gratitude.

What, that MFW is going to remain pretty much the same, except without
you and dopey Michaels?

I think that sounds pretty good too; you're the last one I had to deal
with and now you're opting out too. ;o)