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  1. I was diagnosed with a kidney stone on Wednesday morning.
    After the toradol I felt like myself again. I stayed on
    ibuprofin for the rest of Monday and all day Tuesday, but
    decided to quit taking it Tuesday night. My sever abdominal
    pain has not come back... but I have not collected my stone.

    I noticed Thursday morning that I felt fine , but as the
    day progressed, I felt more and more pain in my blader and
    urethra... like an intense urge to urinate (as if I had a
    blader infection). This continued to grow stronger but did
    not get merkedly worse when I stopped taking ibuprofin
    that night. This was a new symptom and not what I had
    originally on Wednesday morning (which was typical kidney
    and ureter pain)

    I noticed the same sense of relief Firday morning, but now
    that it is the evening/night I have burning with urination
    and the constant urge to urinate .

    I don't know what is going on... but I bet I will feel fine
    tomorrow morning and then feel bad that night.

    I don't think I have a blader infection because I am fine in
    the morning.

    I don't think the stone passed because I have been pretty
    carefull to strain my urine.

    I also don't understand why I am not in horrible pain if
    the stone is still inside me. Could it be that it is stuck?
    And because it is not moving, I don't feel unbelievable
    pain again.

    I'm worried because they said it would pass in 2-3 days and
    tomorrow morning will be the end of that 3rd day.

    Should I worry that it may be stuck? Is there a reason my
    symptoms are worse at night and gone in the morning?

    I really hope there is a doctor out there that can enlighten
    me... because I'm afraid to go to bed as I may wake up with
    that intens abdominal pain again.

    Thank you, Lisa

  2. [email hidden] (Lisa) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was diagnosed with a kidney stone on Wednesday morning.
    After the toradol I felt like myself again. I stayed on
    ibuprofin for the rest of Monday and all day Tuesday, but
    decided to quit taking it Tuesday night. My sever
    abdominal pain has not come back... but I have not
    collected my stone.

    I noticed Thursday morning that I felt fine , but as the
    day progressed, I felt more and more pain in my blader and
    urethra... like an intense urge to urinate (as if I had a
    blader infection). This continued to grow stronger but did
    not get merkedly worse when I stopped taking ibuprofin
    that night. This was a new symptom and not what I had
    originally on Wednesday morning (which was typical kidney
    and ureter pain)

    I noticed the same sense of relief Firday morning, but now
    that it is the evening/night I have burning with urination
    and the constant urge to urinate .

    I don't know what is going on... but I bet I will feel
    fine tomorrow morning and then feel bad that night.

    I don't think I have a blader infection because I am fine
    in the morning.

    I don't think the stone passed because I have been pretty
    carefull to strain my urine.

    I also don't understand why I am not in horrible pain if
    the stone is still inside me. Could it be that it is
    stuck? And because it is not moving, I don't feel
    unbelievable pain again.

    I'm worried because they said it would pass in 2-3 days
    and tomorrow morning will be the end of that 3rd day.

    Should I worry that it may be stuck? Is there a reason my
    symptoms are worse at night and gone in the morning?

    I really hope there is a doctor out there that can
    enlighten me... because I'm afraid to go to bed as I may
    wake up with that intens abdominal pain again.

    Thank you, Lisa

    I have had many stones over my 70 years and, from your
    symptoms, I would guess that your stone is in the process
    of moving down. The intense, classical kidney stone pain
    happens only when the ureter spasms and constricts around
    the stone causing the urine to back up and put pressure on
    the kidney. No intense pain when the urine can flow around
    the stone. But there are a lot of varied pain like
    symptoms when it is moving. I've had some stones take
    several weeks before they came out. The important thing is
    to get back to your doctor if you should have a day or so
    of the intense pain.

    How did your doctor diagnose your stone? Did they use
    a CAT scan?

    I had a stone attack about a year ago and they found it
    immediately with the CAT scan. Actually they found two. I
    never found the first, the smaller of the two. The second
    larger one passed about 4-5 days later.

    eldred

  3. [email hidden] (eldred30) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I have had many stones over my 70 years and, from your
    symptoms, I would guess that your stone is in the process
    of moving down. The intense, classical kidney stone pain
    happens only when the ureter spasms and constricts around
    the stone causing the urine to back up and put pressure on
    the kidney. No intense pain when the urine can flow around
    the stone. But there are a lot of varied pain like
    symptoms when it is moving. I've had some stones take
    several weeks before they came out. The important thing is
    to get back to your doctor if you should have a day or so
    of the intense pain.

    How did your doctor diagnose your stone? Did they use a
    CAT scan?

    I had a stone attack about a year ago and they found it
    immediately with the CAT scan. Actually they found two. I
    never found the first, the smaller of the two. The second
    larger one passed about 4-5 days later.

    eldred

    Thanks for your post Eldred. It makes me feel better knowing
    that it took you a while to pass them sometimes. I'm sorry
    that you have had to deal with this multiple times.

    I also had a CAT scan, but they didn't find it there. They
    said it was probably missed in the plain of cut. Based on
    my symptoms and urine tests, they still thought it was a
    stone though.

    I have still not passed it. It constantly feels like a
    bladder infection now., and this morning I woke up with mild
    kidney pain again. If it gets bad, I'll go back to the
    doctors. What could it mean if it gets worse again?

    This is now the 5th day. I've decided to do nothing but
    drink as much water as I can.

    Thank you, wish me luck, Lisa

  4. Lisa said:


    I was diagnosed with a kidney stone on Wednesday morning.
    After the toradol I felt like myself again. I stayed on
    ibuprofin for the rest of Monday and all day Tuesday, but
    decided to quit taking it Tuesday night. My sever
    abdominal pain has not come back... but I have not
    collected my stone.

    I noticed Thursday morning that I felt fine , but as the
    day progressed, I felt more and more pain in my blader and
    urethra... like an intense urge to urinate (as if I had a
    blader infection). This continued to grow stronger but did
    not get merkedly worse when I stopped taking ibuprofin
    that night. This was a new symptom and not what I had
    originally on Wednesday morning (which was typical kidney
    and ureter pain)

    I noticed the same sense of relief Firday morning, but now
    that it is the evening/night I have burning with urination
    and the constant urge to urinate .

    I don't know what is going on... but I bet I will feel
    fine tomorrow morning and then feel bad that night.

    I don't think I have a blader infection because I am fine
    in the morning.

    I don't think the stone passed because I have been pretty
    carefull to strain my urine.

    I also don't understand why I am not in horrible pain if
    the stone is still inside me. Could it be that it is
    stuck? And because it is not moving, I don't feel
    unbelievable pain again.

    I'm worried because they said it would pass in 2-3 days
    and tomorrow morning will be the end of that 3rd day.

    Should I worry that it may be stuck? Is there a reason my
    symptoms are worse at night and gone in the morning?

    I really hope there is a doctor out there that can
    enlighten me... because I'm afraid to go to bed as I may
    wake up with that intens abdominal pain again.

    Thank you, Lisa

    I had very severe pain in my right back about a month ago
    followed by fever and chills. The rest of the day and night
    was spent with pain and vomiting. I thought it was food
    poisoning. The pain and nausea ended the next day.

    A week later the same thing happened but the pain was on the
    left side of my back and lasted three days before I was so
    weak from vomiting that I went to the emergency room
    thinking I had cancer or something.

    They gave me 3 liters of saline IV, a CAT scan, and some
    pain killer and sent me home with a prescription for the
    same pain killer, some simple information about kidney
    stones, and a strainer to try to catch the stone in my urine
    if it came out. They said the CAT scan showed a very small
    kidney stone only a couple millimeters large.

    All the drug stores were closed when I left (on a sunday
    night) so I went home thinking I could hold out the night
    but it all started up again, the pain and vomiting. I was so
    weak by morning that I felt I was going to pass out so
    someone drove me back to the ER.

    This time they gave me an antibiotic, one 500 mg injection
    costing almost $400 (total cost for both ER visits is now
    over $5000 and I'm waiting to see if there are more bills
    coming, they all charge separately, the hospital, the
    doctors, the imagers, ... the bills just keep coming in). My
    throat and tongue were all burnt from all the vomiting, from
    the stomach acids I guess, and the membrane was flaking off.
    I was spitting out pink peices of flesh.

    This time they also prescribed some anti-nausea rectal
    suppositories. I went home and spent the next couple days
    drinking lots of different juices until finally I had an
    appetite to actually eat solid food after going about 5 days
    without eating anything solid. Fluids and solids started
    moving through me again. I'm still having chills at night
    but they are slowly receding.

    Unlike you I wasn't careful to strain all my urine and may
    have missed the stone if it came out. I was just too weak
    and in too much pain to remember to use the strainer every
    time. Small amounts of urine would come out when any did.
    The rest of the time I would sweat in bed and have chills
    waking up every 1 to 2 hours to dry off with bath towels.

    An intense hot "fever" always came over me right before an
    episode of vomiting. All the vomiting prevented the
    painkillers from staying down so it was a nasty cycle. I was
    taking pain killers without caring much about how many pills
    I took because the pain was so bad and they were all getting
    vomited back up anyway. But enough of them got absorbed to
    offer me a few hours of sleep during the night.

    The ER doctors advised me to follow up with a urologist but
    I can't afford to do that at the moment. The web offers some
    advice on kidney stones but it's all confusing to me. Some
    say calcium is good, some say it's bad. Some talk about
    stones caused by stress and acid, others talk about stones
    caused by "oxalates", whatever those are.

  5. casper <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I had very severe pain in my right back about a month ago
    followed by fever and chills. The rest of the day and
    night was spent with pain and vomiting. I thought it was
    food poisoning. The pain and nausea ended the next day.

    A week later the same thing happened but the pain was on
    the left side of my back and lasted three days before I
    was so weak from vomiting that I went to the emergency
    room thinking I had cancer or something.

    They gave me 3 liters of saline IV, a CAT scan, and some
    pain killer and sent me home with a prescription for the
    same pain killer, some simple information about kidney
    stones, and a strainer to try to catch the stone in my
    urine if it came out. They said the CAT scan showed a very
    small kidney stone only a couple millimeters large.

    All the drug stores were closed when I left (on a sunday
    night) so I went home thinking I could hold out the night
    but it all started up again, the pain and vomiting. I was
    so weak by morning that I felt I was going to pass out so
    someone drove me back to the ER.

    This time they gave me an antibiotic, one 500 mg injection
    costing almost $400 (total cost for both ER visits is now
    over $5000 and I'm waiting to see if there are more bills
    coming, they all charge separately, the hospital, the
    doctors, the imagers, ... the bills just keep coming in).
    My throat and tongue were all burnt from all the vomiting,
    from the stomach acids I guess, and the membrane was
    flaking off. I was spitting out pink peices of flesh.

    This time they also prescribed some anti-nausea rectal
    suppositories. I went home and spent the next couple days
    drinking lots of different juices until finally I had an
    appetite to actually eat solid food after going about 5
    days without eating anything solid. Fluids and solids
    started moving through me again. I'm still having chills
    at night but they are slowly receding.

    Unlike you I wasn't careful to strain all my urine and may
    have missed the stone if it came out. I was just too weak
    and in too much pain to remember to use the strainer every
    time. Small amounts of urine would come out when any did.
    The rest of the time I would sweat in bed and have chills
    waking up every 1 to 2 hours to dry off with bath towels.

    An intense hot "fever" always came over me right before
    an episode of vomiting. All the vomiting prevented the
    painkillers from staying down so it was a nasty cycle. I
    was taking pain killers without caring much about how
    many pills I took because the pain was so bad and they
    were all getting vomited back up anyway. But enough of
    them got absorbed to offer me a few hours of sleep during
    the night.

    The ER doctors advised me to follow up with a urologist
    but I can't afford to do that at the moment. The web
    offers some advice on kidney stones but it's all confusing
    to me. Some say calcium is good, some say it's bad. Some
    talk about stones caused by stress and acid, others talk
    about stones caused by "oxalates", whatever those are.

    I'm so sorry to hear about that.

    If you need pain killers from the hospital again, you should
    try toradol. It's not a narcotic and it works wonderfully
    specifically for kidney pain. I was throughing up
    uncontrolably too and felt like I was about to pass out, but
    the toradol helped completely in only 10 minutes.

    I'm a little dissatisfied with your ER. I don't think they
    took very good care of you... because you had a fever. I've
    read that that is very serious, and I'm amazed they sent you
    home that day.

    The pain killer I was prescribed was plain old ibuprofen. I
    didn't fill the perscription to save money and just used the
    stuff I had at home. The dosage was 800 mg every 4-6 hours.
    The important thing is too keep up the pain killer doseage
    to prevent future pain... because once sever pain happens,
    you can't keep the drugs down... which leads to a downward
    spiral... and back to the ER as you know.

    I also recieved some drugs for the nausea at the hospital.
    I'm really sorry they didn't give you any of these.

    I never had a fever... just a lot of sweating during
    vomiting.

    Did they tell you to drink a lot of water?

    Really the best way to prevent more kidney stones is by
    drinking more water, regardless of the type you form....
    unless you have a genetic predisposition. They can only fine
    tune it with diet based on your type of stone.... but the
    corner stone is to plain drink more water.

    I read that people with a history of kidney stones need to
    drink twice as much water as they normally do to prevent
    future ones. I've also read that this is about like drinking
    10-12 8oz. glasses of water a day (instead of the regular 8
    8oz. glasses a day)

    It's important to drink more than just juice or soda when
    trying to flush a kidney stone... the best thing to drink is
    water. Juice and soda are so sweet and full of sugar... they
    don't work to dilute your body fluids as well. I think the
    trick is drinking just straight water when you are trying to
    pass the stone.

    I guess stones are only extremely painful when they are high
    up in the ureter. Once they get closer to the bladder, it
    feels like a bladder infection. That's what I have now..
    It's irritating, but I can handle
    it. Yep, mine still has not passed. And tomorrow I'm at
    school for 10 hours.

    I'm so sorry you had to go through it twice is such a
    short amount of time. Even though it is really expensive,
    you may want to have your urine tested to see if your
    kidneys are still functioning well. I'm not a doctor...
    but it sounds like you kidneys went through a lot... with
    an infection, a stone, and it happening on both sides. I
    think it would be wise... in the long run, to get a urine
    test. Any family practic should be able to do this. I also
    say this because it sounds like your symptoms have not yet
    resolved fully. If you are still have a fever at night,
    then you must still be sick.

    One thing that really makes me mad at your ER, is that they
    gave you antibiotics, but did not give you a prescription to
    continue them. Doing this will lead to bacterial resistance.
    If you ever take antibiotics, you should take them for the
    full course. If they gave you antibiotics at home, then you
    might have been well by now.... and a prolonged infection
    will only build up scar tissue (in you kidneys, which is not
    good) and tax your system, making you weak.

    Do you have health insurace? If you don't you may qualify
    for state or private funded medical clinics. There you could
    get free, or discounted medical care.

    I'm just saying this, because I think you really needed more
    medical attention than you got.

    You might also want to look up the signs and symptoms of
    kidney failure. It's cheaper to prevent it than go through
    it.... so a urine test might be important in early
    detection.

    Maybe I'm over reacting.... but I'm in school to become a
    doctor right now (1st year) and it just doesn't sound like
    you got the best of care.

    Best of luck Casper, Lisa

  6. Lisa said:


    I'm so sorry to hear about that.

    If you need pain killers from the hospital again, you
    should try toradol. It's not a narcotic and it works
    wonderfully specifically for kidney pain. I was throughing
    up uncontrolably too and felt like I was about to pass
    out, but the toradol helped completely in only 10 minutes.

    I'm a little dissatisfied with your ER. I don't think they
    took very good care of you... because you had a fever.
    I've read that that is very serious, and I'm amazed they
    sent you home that day.

    The pain killer I was prescribed was plain old ibuprofen.
    I didn't fill the perscription to save money and just used
    the stuff I had at home. The dosage was 800 mg every 4-6
    hours. The important thing is too keep up the pain killer
    doseage to prevent future pain... because once sever pain
    happens, you can't keep the drugs down... which leads to a
    downward spiral... and back to the ER as you know.

    I also recieved some drugs for the nausea at the hospital.
    I'm really sorry they didn't give you any of these.

    I never had a fever... just a lot of sweating during
    vomiting.

    Did they tell you to drink a lot of water?

    Really the best way to prevent more kidney stones is by
    drinking more water, regardless of the type you form....
    unless you have a genetic predisposition. They can only
    fine tune it with diet based on your type of stone.... but
    the corner stone is to plain drink more water.

    I read that people with a history of kidney stones need to
    drink twice as much water as they normally do to prevent
    future ones. I've also read that this is about like
    drinking 10-12 8oz. glasses of water a day (instead of the
    regular 8 8oz. glasses a day)

    It's important to drink more than just juice or soda when
    trying to flush a kidney stone... the best thing to drink
    is water. Juice and soda are so sweet and full of sugar...
    they don't work to dilute your body fluids as well. I
    think the trick is drinking just straight water when you
    are trying to pass the stone.

    I guess stones are only extremely painful when they are
    high up in the ureter. Once they get closer to the
    bladder, it feels like a bladder infection. That's what I
    have now.. It's irritating, but I can handle
    it. Yep, mine still has not passed. And tomorrow I'm at
    school for 10 hours.

    I'm so sorry you had to go through it twice is such a
    short amount of time. Even though it is really expensive,
    you may want to have your urine tested to see if your
    kidneys are still functioning well. I'm not a doctor...
    but it sounds like you kidneys went through a lot... with
    an infection, a stone, and it happening on both sides. I
    think it would be wise... in the long run, to get a urine
    test. Any family practic should be able to do this. I also
    say this because it sounds like your symptoms have not yet
    resolved fully. If you are still have a fever at night,
    then you must still be sick.

    One thing that really makes me mad at your ER, is that
    they gave you antibiotics, but did not give you a
    prescription to continue them. Doing this will lead to
    bacterial resistance. If you ever take antibiotics, you
    should take them for the full course. If they gave you
    antibiotics at home, then you might have been well by
    now.... and a prolonged infection will only build up scar
    tissue (in you kidneys, which is not good) and tax your
    system, making you weak.

    Do you have health insurace? If you don't you may qualify
    for state or private funded medical clinics. There you
    could get free, or discounted medical care.

    I'm just saying this, because I think you really needed
    more medical attention than you got.

    You might also want to look up the signs and symptoms of
    kidney failure. It's cheaper to prevent it than go through
    it.... so a urine test might be important in early
    detection.

    Maybe I'm over reacting.... but I'm in school to become a
    doctor right now (1st year) and it just doesn't sound like
    you got the best of care.

    Best of luck Casper, Lisa

    Sorry to hear you have to take a long class. I have the same
    fear of going out and looking for more contract work (no
    health benefits) that the kidney stone will act up again.
    Hang in there.

    Drinking lots of plain water makes sense to me. From what
    I've read, anything with vitamin C, milk (calcium), anything
    with caffeine, are all bad to drink. I also read meats,
    spinach, beans, strawberries, wheat, ... and alot of other
    foods were all bad for kidney stone sufferers.

    At the time I thought the ER treated me pretty well. They
    gave me a prescript for antibiotics the second time around
    so I took a full week of it. I don't know why something like
    kidney stones doesn't have a quick cure by now but maybe
    it's something complicated, like dental cavities.

    The ER billing was upsetting part. It seems everyone there
    is billing me separately so I'm waiting to see if the nurses
    send me bills as well ! I have no idea what the final cost
    is going to be. That's doesn't seem right.

    I've applied for a state run insurance plan like you
    recommend but that won't pay this latest bill I imagine.
    I'll also try to follow up with a physician as soon as I
    am able to.

    Thanks for all the good advice Lisa. I'm sure you'll make a
    great doctor!

    casper

  7. casper <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry to hear you have to take a long class. I have the
    same fear of going out and looking for more contract work
    (no health benefits) that the kidney stone will act up
    again. Hang in there.

    Drinking lots of plain water makes sense to me. From what
    I've read, anything with vitamin C, milk (calcium),
    anything with caffeine, are all bad to drink. I also read
    meats, spinach, beans, strawberries, wheat, ... and alot
    of other foods were all bad for kidney stone sufferers.

    Well, it also depends on the type of stone you have formed.
    that's why it is a good idea to collect it and let the docs
    adjust your diet. I wouldn't try to go to any extremes with
    you diet because it's more about balance than anything else.
    For example, if you eat too much calcium, you could produce
    stones, but if you eat too little calcium, you can also
    produce stones because there will be excess oxalates.

    Given that you don't know what your stone was made from, I
    would just drink a lot more water, and try to eat a variety
    of food, so you won't be deficient in anything or get an
    excess of anything either.

    Quoted message said:


    At the time I thought the ER treated me pretty well. They
    gave me a prescript for antibiotics the second time around
    so I took a full week of it. I don't know why something
    like kidney stones doesn't have a quick cure by now but
    maybe it's something complicated, like dental cavities.

    Oh I'm glad to hear that. I was under the impression they
    didn't give you a prescribtion. Good.

    Quoted message said:


    The ER billing was upsetting part. It seems everyone there
    is billing me separately so I'm waiting to see if the
    nurses send me bills as well ! I have no idea what the
    final cost is going to be. That's doesn't seem right.

    I've applied for a state run insurance plan like you
    recommend but that won't pay this latest bill I imagine.
    I'll also try to follow up with a physician as soon as I
    am able to.

    I wish you the best of luck finding a good insurance
    company. Since you have had two stones, you are more likely
    to develope them again. Btw, I just had my second stone last
    night. I still haven't passed the first one. At least the
    second wasn't as bad as the first. I think it's because I
    have been staying well hydrated. So this might give you some
    hope (as we are in the same boat when it comes to developing
    more stones) that by drinking water all the time, the next
    stones will pass faster out of the extremely painful part of
    the ureter.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks for all the good advice Lisa. I'm sure you'll make
    a great doctor!

    Thank you, Lisa

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