KH24 vs. Wilder 6160c ?

The Wilder preceeded the aluminum KH by easily 2 years. The KH is
better. Never mind that the wilder frame is no longer made (Scott
Bridgeman hand made them in new Jersey, so when he left the sport, so
did the frame manufacture).

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What makes the KH better? The fact that it's probably lighter? Better
for one-footing? has brake mounts? ... oh.

But the Wilder is a rare collectible!

That's about what it boils down to. At the time they were made, the
Wilders were exotic hand-built beauties, and the only way to get an
aluminum frame. They're still great for the first reasons, but the
market caught up and now there's few good reasons to pay three times as
much for a hand-built unicycle if it's not much different from the
manufactured ones.

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Seems like the wilder would be best for pure muni because of the round
crown.

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Evan Byrne said:

Seems like the wilder would be best for pure muni because of the round
crown.

??

Stronger, perhaps? But that's all a matter of build quality as well as
design. I know there's quite a bit more metal (and labor) in the Wilder
frame, but it's still really light. I love the way it looks, and don't
consider one-footing a priority on a MUni frame. 🙂

'Pictures of mine when it was new' (http://tinyurl.com/3c7tvw)

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Evan Byrne said:

Seems like the wilder would be best for pure muni because of the round
crown.

YOu could say that, but what has a KH crown done to make it a bad muni
crown? I mean I dont know anyone who complains about constantly hitting
legs or something on the flat crown.

* _ K H _ *

Light, strong aluminum frame that has been tested in the worst
conditions.

Strongest rim (arguably)

Strongest hub/cranks (arguably)

Now has jimmy C pedals (great wide pedals for Muni, Street, or
anyting)

NOw has double drilled cranks available if you want

Total weight = 14.8 lbs

Price - $575 @ unicycle.com

_*Wilder*_

Light frame, hasn't been tested as hard as the KH frame.

Frame is an older design

Profile hub and cranks (considered 2nd to the KH and others, and
they're heavier)

Sun Double wide rim is OK, but the KH rim is wider wich should help
tire foldage better than The Sun.

Total weight = 15 lbs

Price - $1449 @ unicycle.com

The KH is in my opinion twice as good as a Wilder and less than half
the price of the Wilder.

I rest my case.

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gerblefranklin said:

The Wilder preceeded the aluminum KH by easily 2 years. The KH is
better. Never mind that the wilder frame is no longer made (Scott
Bridgeman hand made them in new Jersey, so when he left the sport, so
did the frame manufacture).

Wow, you haven't been around lately.

Chase

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going for looks, I just love the look of the hunter frames.

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get the kh wilder is tree times as expensive and not as good

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musketman said:

Wilder

Light frame, hasn't been tested as hard as the KH frame.

ahem:
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closeup: http://tinyurl.com/yw8gl4

😉

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If you are a rich [censored] and need to boost your ego by having a unique
Unicycle by all means forget about starving chinldren in Africa nad buy
the Wilder!

The main reason why I bought my KH24 2007 was because I was constantly
banging the insides of my knees on the top of the ONZA 24 crown. KH has
eliminated this by curving the fork in just a little bit right before
the weld. Keep in mind that one footed pedaling totaly increases your
Muniing abilities and it is a pleasure puting the unused foot on the
top of the KH 2007 roughened crown!

Oh I almost forgot about the 47mm wide rim, the comfortable saddle the
Moment ISIS cranks and hub and the rail adaptor among other things.

Buying a Wilder would be like buying an OLD clasic Cadilac. You will
get a lot of attention but the more modern KH will be able to
outperform you.

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Unicorn said:

Buying a Wilder would be like buying an OLD clasic Cadilac. You will
get a lot of attention but the more modern KH will be able to
outperform you.

Unicorn

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Evan Byrne said:

Something every rider should be reminded of, The uni accounts for less
than 1% of your skills and abbilitys.

But 99%* of your limitations...

Kevin McMullin

*note this is not an actual statistic

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What you say is very true Evan. However getting hit on the inside of
your knee is not fun. Just think of what you would rather have out in
the trails, an older Wilder or a brand new KH 2007? A 57 Caddy or a
2007 Corvette?
Same rider with a better more modern MUni will be able to ride farther
in the same amount of time, have less UPDs and less bruises on the
insides of the knees and/or less rippage on the leg guards.
By the way another great thing with the Moment cranks is that they are
shiny and it is easy to know where your pedal is when mounting in the
dark.

Unicorn

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entropy said:

ahem:
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closeup: http://tinyurl.com/yw8gl4

😉

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I have always classed the DMs, Hunters, Dirt Unis and Wilders together
in the same class. Quality hand build Unicycles. When I got into
Unicycling a year and a half ago they were still top of the line. Dirt
Uni had some special features that set it apart somewhat. I would class
the KH 2005 at about the same quality level at about a third of the
price. Now the KH 2007 is much better.

It was news to me that Scott Bridgeman Wilders are not being produced
any more. Eugene Cathcart has also stopped manufacturing the Dirt Uni.
What about Hunter and DM? Are they still being manufactured?
Any news about what happened to Dirt Uni and how many of them were
actually manufactured?

Unicorn

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Unicorn said:

What about Hunter and DM? Are they still being manufactured?

Rick Hunter is still making the Hunter frames, although I'm not sure
how much production he does. My guess is he's making more 36" frames
than 24" these days. The DM Vortex is no longer made, and I believe DM
is no longer making unicycles of any type.

I love my Hunter 24.

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I think the Nimbus is going to hurt Hunter36 sales. Of course, his core
business is bicycles, so it's not like he is going to go out of
business. I'd imagine as long as he has a shop he'd be willing to make
unicycle frames.

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Yes, the KH line has come to replace the Wilder/Profile combo, though
the later still remains a classic, perhaps the first world-class Muni
set up in terms of technology. I wish mine (in that picture Josh
posted) was still in one piece.

JL

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musketman said:

And those are the results.

For the sake of picture arguments:

[image:
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[image:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j288/evanbyrne/crack_right_2.jpg]

(I would want a wilder because they look so much cooler than kh's, and
I would'nt be able to break either.)

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