KH vs Torker

I was just the same when I bought my car. It's a Ford, and when I
compared it to the Bentley I found it had just as many wheels and the
same number of doors, seats and exactly one steering wheel. I can't
see why anyone should pay the extra.

I have or have had over the last 20 years:
A 20" Nimbus 2
A Pashley 20" UMX
A 1959 hand made 20" with a beautifully finished frame
A 24" Nimbus 1
A KH24
A Pashley 26"
A 28" Nimbus 1
A custom made 28"
A Coker

Of these, I can say that far and away the KH24 is the best quality and
easiest to ride. The Pashley 26" frame is certainly more er... robust.
The Nimbuses are perfectly good for what they're designed to do. The
KH is the specialist machine designed by one of the world's top
experts.

You are of course entitled to your preference.🙂

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Mikefule said:

I was just the same when I bought my car. It's a Ford, and when I
compared it to the Bentley I found it had just as many wheels and the
same number of doors, seats and exactly one steering wheel. I can't
see why anyone should pay the extra.

I have or have had over the last 20 years:
A 20" Nimbus 2
A Pashley 20" UMX
A 1959 hand made 20" with a beautifully finished frame
A 24" Nimbus 1
A KH24
A Pashley 26"
A 28" Nimbus 1
A custom made 28"
A Coker

Of these, I can say that far and away the KH24 is the best quality and
easiest to ride. The Pashley 26" frame is certainly more er... robust.
The Nimbuses are perfectly good for what they're designed to do. The
KH is the specialist machine designed by one of the world's top
experts.

You are of course entitled to your preference.🙂

If you've never had a Torker, how can you say that a KH is better?

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the KH is lighter, i like the cranks better on a KH because the DX has
the pinch bolt and the KH doesnt...
the crown on the frame has that knurl on it on the KH, the seat is more
comfy IMO...

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when you become a good rider it will all be made clear to you.
size and looks are no comparison of strengh. everything about the KH
is superior to the dx. except the rim. (i put more faith in the alex
rim on the dx of holding, than i do the kh. but that is just me. the
kh rim is still amazing strong though.)
cranks= KH has no ankle biters which tear your ankles open. also you
can get more size options
frame= kh has had 3? break. dx has had 3 not break.
seat= kh is more comfortable and gets rid of the extra padding.
post= again the kh is stronger. most dx posts will break with normal
use. kh takes a little more force.
pedals= jim c's (kh) are way more comfortable and have 2 different pin
sizes. i have broken 2 dx pedals.
hub and crank strengh is debatable

the dx is a tank though. talking about both the weight and the
strengh. where as the kh is strong and light.

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gordito8me said:

it's like running across the highway at rush hour. Dangerous, stupid,
but not really that fun.

Unicaw89 said:

Koxx rapes Torker hard!

skianduniaddict said:

never give 4 teenagers a camera... they go crazy

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Poseidon said:

If you've never had a Torker, how can you say that a KH is better?

i have never had a kh and could still tell you it is better. just
because he doesn't own one doesn't mean he has never riden one.

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gordito8me said:

it's like running across the highway at rush hour. Dangerous, stupid,
but not really that fun.

Unicaw89 said:

Koxx rapes Torker hard!

skianduniaddict said:

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I've owned both the DX 24, and now the KH 24. I got good use out of my
old DX and yes it was strong, but as others have mentioned, it's much
heavier (or at least feels that way) and has a smaller seatpost
diameter. It also doesn't have adequate clearance for the 3" wide gazz.
Having experienced both, it's no contest for me. KH hands down.😄 But
for the money, the DX is a very, VERY good uni, and the least expensive
splined system you can buy.

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Having tried both, I must say the KH24 is the better choice, sure it may
be more, but here is what I like about it.
A. ISIS compatible cranks, I can easily find other cranks for the hub,
if I want shorter, I get shorter, if I wand more q factor, i can get
it.
B. Wide Rim, really brings out more potential from the 3" wide tires,
which I've personally tried three. (Gazz, Duro, Kujo)
C. Lightwieght, The KH24 only wieghs 15lbs 9oz. and thats all in the
wheel, the frame and everything else is feather light, it only has
weight where it counts.
D. Frame strength, The DX has a big weakness, it's frame, I've heard of
many frame breakages, but have only seen three KH's crack after extreme
use.
E. Everything you want is already set up on the KH. If you want
maggie's, it's got the post and mounts already. It's already got sweet
pedals (Jimmy C's) and it's already got a stronger rail post.
In conclusion- KH's own.

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If im honest, i think the dx is pretty ugly, the kh20 is... well, sleak
and sexy :P
but still, people don't buy koxxs over KH20s just because they look
better [well I didn't], and just because a unicycle may look more
''tank'' like, don't always mean it's stronger 🙄

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Thanks for all of the response's. I'm looking into getting a trials uni
pretty soon (once I'm cleared by my doctors) and was debating on which
one to get so all of your opinion's will definatley be taken seriously
and I do appreciate it.🙂

So I have to ask.... What is the best trials uni?

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KH - DX

KH-lightweight but incredibly strong aluminum powdercoated frame.

DX-heavy, steel frame with engineering flows and bad bearing holders.
breaks easily and has much to high of a crown.

KH-Isis splined cranks, a better length for trials and street, as well
as being light and strong.

DX-splined cranks that are very heavy, hurt your ankles, and are too
short for comfort when it comes too trials.

KH-Isis splined hub with a hollow axle, and is wider than the dx for a
stiffer, stronger wheel.

DX-splined hub that is very heavy, and skinny making for a fragiler
wheel.

KH-Drilled, wide rim - leightweight, as well as incredibly strong. also
is much more stable for sidehops.

DX-alex trials rim; very strong, but pretty skinny.

KH-jimmy c pedals are much stronger, and have better tread patterns for
riding.

DX- DX pedals which have pins that are prone to falling off, and
shatter easily. they also have bad bearings.

KH- options from 2 different seats, both with removable covers. fusion
street and fusion freeride. they are both much nicer than the DX seat.

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well, at least I'm not drinking my own blood, I only drink other
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Mornish hits the spot I would say. I have owned both Torker and KH
trials uni's ('05 Torker and then '06 KH) and its not hard to justify
the extra expense. KH Unicycles are arguably the best you can get.
In any case, I had the Torker for a while, snapped the frame in half,
put a Nimbus II frame on it, then sold it and got the KH.
I can safely say that the KH was a very nice change, in weight (even
compared to the Nimbus/Torker combo) and handling (also due to weight)
and my riding had that little spurt of awesome which one gets when
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You can't compare the KH and the Torker Dx because the Kris Holm owns it
in each point, preiod.

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Émile5 said:

You can't compare the KH and the Torker Dx because the Kris Holm owns it
in each point, preiod.

Last I checked, the DX owns the KH in price point.

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Borgschulze said:

Last I checked, the DX owns the KH in price point.

The DX may be half the price but the KH is Twice as good...maybe more.
You [usually] get what you pay for.😎

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Well from what I hear the old torkers weren't very good. But I have a
new 07 Torker dx and I was wondering if anyone has compared that with a
KH?

At any rate I am usually hindered by the true yet loathsome phrase "You
get what you pay for".😠

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the difference between the 06 and the 07 is the frame. the added a
totally useless peice of metal making it at best a little stronger.
when all they had to do was weld the seat tube in 2 places.

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gordito8me said:

it's like running across the highway at rush hour. Dangerous, stupid,
but not really that fun.

Unicaw89 said:

Koxx rapes Torker hard!

skianduniaddict said:

never give 4 teenagers a camera... they go crazy

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Especially buying a KH. I have saved this thread link to my desk top
cause I need to paste it so often. Read this thread if you want to buy
a KH, or suffer $
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60873
Basically, KH has copied quality metallurgy from the bike-motorcycle
standards and applied this to uni manufacture. I wish he would embrace
the modern low overhead, lower retail price model of retail
distribution as well.🙄
And while I am bashing KH, IMHO the JC pedals are like torker dx's.
Low tech and way heavy to meet a price point. They don't belong on such
a finely engineered device. Holding my KH20 by the saddle and walking
it forwards it waddles side to side like a drunk duck with those low
end boat anchor pedals.
That's about it as far as I can see to slam KH though. It's not like
pedals are hard to change. KH probably got a deal on the pedals. He
would have to charge more to put on pedals the uni deserves, and no one
wants that.
The rest of the KH uni is very difficult to fault. You must compare
it to a custom uni that costs many times as much to find a real
performance advantage over a stock KH with cool pedals. 😎

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feel the light said:

Especially buying a KH. I have saved this thread link to my desk top
cause I need to paste it so often. Read this thread if you want to buy
a KH, or suffer $
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60873
Basically, KH has copied quality metallurgy from the bike-motorcycle
standards and applied this to uni manufacture. I wish he would embrace
the modern low overhead, lower retail price model of retail
distribution as well.🙄
And while I am bashing KH, IMHO the JC pedals are like torker dx's.
Low tech and way heavy to meet a price point. They don't belong on such
a finely engineered device. Holding my KH20 by the saddle and walking
it forwards it waddles side to side like a drunk duck with those low
end boat anchor pedals.
That's about it as far as I can see to slam KH though. It's not like
pedals are hard to change. KH probably got a deal on the pedals. He
would have to charge more to put on pedals the uni deserves, and no one
wants that.
The rest of the KH uni is very difficult to fault. You must compare
it to a custom uni that costs many times as much to find a real
performance advantage over a stock KH with cool pedals. 😎

kh put the jim c's on knowing about the weight difference, to add more
strengh to the pedals. and the difference between them and dx pedals
is that jc's will take a serious trashing before being destroyed.
pretty much all unicycles will wobble side to side as long as they have
any pedals on them.

so out of curiosity what pedals do YOU think the KH unicycle deserves?

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gordito8me said:

it's like running across the highway at rush hour. Dangerous, stupid,
but not really that fun.

Unicaw89 said:

Koxx rapes Torker hard!

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torkerdx said:

so out of curiosity what pedals do YOU think the KH unicycle deserves?

specially designed MUni clipless, with cleatplates included (ahh yeah)

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