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KH Saddle First Use

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  1. Towards the end of last year I ordered a KH Velo saddle for DW to give
    me for Christmas. I fitted it to the Coker when we got home after
    Christmas, then I didn't ride it. Then I didn't ride it a bit more.

    The Coker usually only gets used for commuting once or twice a week, if
    that. First a succession of colds meant I didn't feel like the extra
    effort of yiking to work (added to which I have to get up 20 minutes
    earlier to yike to work, which is really hard to do in the winter).
    Later on, DW's advanced state of pregnancy meant that I might have to
    get home quickly, so I wanted the extra speed afforded by a second wheel
    and a decent range of gears.

    But now the baby's out, I'm feeling good, it was a lovely morning, so I
    did it.

    The first thing to become very obvious was how much deeper the KH is
    than my old Viscount. I had about 3/4" less seatpost showing than with
    the Viscount and it was only just rideable. I stopped after 1/2 mile
    and lowered it by about 3mm, then it was perfect. (I wasn't wearing the
    same shoes that I used with the Viscount, but if anything I think the
    soles on the new shoes may be slightly thicker).

    The next thing I noticed was the flex in the handle. It's certainly
    more comfortable to hang onto than the front of the Viscount, or the
    grab rail of my DM contoured, but a little less flex would be nice.

    When I dismounted, I discovered a problem that I may have to do
    something about. The depth of the saddle makes it quite uncomfortable
    to catch during a forward dismount. I think I'll have to fit a handle.
    I stuck to rear dismounts after that, but it's important to be able to
    grab the saddle during a dismount either way.

    Comfort was very impressive. I usually ride a recumbent bike, but I
    bent it last week so I've been riding a wedgie to work this week. My
    sit-bones are sore from what I used to think of as quite a comfy saddle,
    but I'm no longer used to. So I expected to feel sore sit-bones as soon
    as I mounted the Coker. But instead, this was the first time that I've
    yiked the 5.4 miles to work without feeling slightly sore by the end
    (except perhaps for when I was using 5" cranks).

    Unfortunately, the saddle also seemed to put pressure on the urethra
    that I don't get with the Viscount. I had the nose angled up as far as
    it would go, so I angled it down slightly from there for the ride home.
    This relieved the pressure on my urethra. There seemed then to be
    more pressure on my sit-bones and inner thighs, but that could well just
    have been because it was the second ride of the day.

    Finally, speed was better than I expected. I haven't ridden a unicycle
    for 7 months (except for a bit of bouncing around on the patio to
    entertain DD), so I expected a slow ride. And my cadence *did* feel
    low. But I still managed a pretty average speed for my Coker commute.

    All in all, I'm quite happy with this seat.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
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  2. Usenet posts don't seem to make it to the forum. So let me at least
    post a reply.

    Shame that the KH Velo was unused for so long...

    Danny Colyer said:

    Unfortunately, the saddle also seemed to put pressure on the urethra
    that I don't get with the Viscount. I had the nose angled up as far as
    it would go, so I angled it down slightly from there for the ride home.
    This relieved the pressure on my urethra. There seemed then to be
    more pressure on my sit-bones and inner thighs, but that could well just
    have been because it was the second ride of the day.

    Mostly people report sitting more on their sitting bones if they tilt
    the saddle /up/. It may sound counterintuitive. Maybe you need to make
    a conscious effort to reposition yourself more to the rear? The
    increased pressure on the urethra may also have to do with the general
    softness and deepness of the padding. It distributes the weight but
    that implies pressing everywhere.

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  3. Klaas Bil said:

    Usenet posts don't seem to make it to the forum. So let me at least
    post a reply.

    Is it broken again? Oh well, thanks for letting me know I'm not
    completely alone.

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly people report sitting more on their sitting bones if they tilt
    the saddle /up/.

    I know. I was quite surprised by the difference.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    increased pressure on the urethra may also have to do with the general
    softness and deepness of the padding. It distributes the weight but
    that implies pressing everywhere.

    It probably is. The KH saddle could probably benefit from a cutout
    section in the middle. I'm not ready to go hacking it about just yet
    though ...

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  4. Danny Colyer said:

    *It probably is. The KH saddle could probably benefit from a cutout
    section in the middle. I'm not ready to go hacking it about just yet
    though ...
    *

    I would prefer that the KH saddle didn't have such a deep "U" shape.
    The deep shape causes the front of the saddle to give the soft tissues
    less room and is all too constricting.

    On my air seats I trim the foam at the nose of the saddle to give the
    saddle a shallower "U" shape. I find that shallower shape to be much
    more comfortable. I have pictures of what I do in my 'Air Seat Gallery'
    (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/Airseat/). Specifically 'this picture'
    (http://tinyurl.com/2sjkx).

    I would like it if the KH saddle had the same operation to trim down the
    foam at the front of the saddle.

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  5. I agree to that the KD saddle is too ‘full’ at the front for men, it
    doesn’t provide enough space to be comfortable. The softness I also find
    is a problem with pressure causing lost circulation in that area
    underneath. I’ve now got two KH saddles, your photos are great!

    A couple of questions, did you make the pillow? From what material? Do
    you find that you can ‘feel’ the inner tube in the pillow? Did you
    make the pillow smaller or larger than the saddle base? How did you stop
    it all from slipping around inside the Roach seat cover?

    Thanks lots of questions, but you’ve got me spirited to alter my
    saddle.

    JJ

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  6. Huthwaite said:

    *A couple of questions, did you make the pillow? From what material?
    Do you find that you can ‘feel’ the inner tube in the pillow? Did
    you make the pillow smaller or larger than the saddle base? How did
    you stop it all from slipping around inside the Roach seat cover?

    Thanks lots of questions, but you’ve got me spirited to alter my
    saddle.

    JJ *

    I made the air pillow myself. I don't know what kind of fabric it is.
    I just looked for a heavy duty fabric that was on sale. Color didn't
    matter because it's inside the seat.

    I used the foam pad from a Miyata seat as the pattern for making the air
    pillow. The carbon fiber seat base has the same shape and size as the
    Miyata seat so the Miyata foam makes for the perfect pattern. To make
    the pattern I traced around the Miyata foam and then added 1/2" for the
    seam.

    You want the air pillow to be slightly undersized for the seat base
    because when you sit on it it's going to bulge out a bit. I made
    several air pillows and because of my poor sewing some of them were
    wider in the middle area than others. The wide ones that bulged out too
    far beyond the sides of the seat base were not comfortable.

    Because of the foam on top of the air pillow you do not feel the tube.
    You know it's there because the seat is cushy and you can adjust the
    cushyness by changing the amount of air in the tube. But you cannot
    feel the folds in the tube.

    The shape of the foam on top of the air pillow makes a big difference in
    the comfort of the saddle. My Muni seats use the Miyata foam, but I
    didn't find the Miyata foam to be comfortable on my Coker. The shape of
    the Miyata foam was too blocky. For my Coker seat I'm using the foam
    from an old Schwinn saddle. The old Schwinn foam is very contoured with
    a shape very similar to the Viscount seat. That contoured shape was
    much more comfortable for Coker style riding. I'm going to try the foam
    from an old Viscount saddle to see how it compares.

    Saddle comfort is more than just adding an innertube. The shape of the
    saddle is also very important and the shape of the foam on top is very
    important.

    I do nothing to keep the air pillow and foam from sliding around.
    Things do stay in place inside the Roach cover. I have no problems with
    things moving around and getting out of place.

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