KH Fusion Saddle

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I'm ordering one for my big muni upgrade. I should have it in two weeks
maybe, and I'll get heaps of detailed pics then. I only read about them
a few days ago...before then I'd just assumed they weren't anything
special and never looked any further. How foolish I was, they're
brilliant!

I spoke to Tony Melton last night about them and he likes them. One
thing he mentioned which is nice is that the new handle is a little
thicker where your fingers wrap around so you're actually grabbing onto
something. They're also a nice material apparently which shouldn't rip
too easily.

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they are cool, at first i thought that the handle would be
uncomfortable, but it's awesome. then i converted it to an airseat and
its even better 😄

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There hasn't been much written about the KH Fusion saddle yet so a
search of past messages for the word "fusion" doesn't turn up much
useful info. There hasn't been a post yet that all the differences in
the Fusion saddle compared to the past KH saddles. All we've got is
bits and pieces of info about the new saddle scattered about in
different threads.

Unicycle.com UK has a 'description of the KH Fusion saddle'
(http://tinyurl.com/3uhad)
Kris has a description of his saddles in the 'unicycle catalog at
KrisHolm.com' (http://www.krisholm.com/products/)
Unicycle.com USA lumps the new Fusion saddle in with the catalog item
for the older KH saddle. That's a bit confusing and does not highlight
the differences between the older KH saddle and the newer Fusion, other
than saying the Fusion has a removable seat cover.

But neither site explains the differences between the Fusion saddle
compared to the older saddles. They mention the Fusion has a removable
seat cover, but other than that the info on design changes is pretty
sparse.

I don't know what all is different between the older KH saddle and the
new Fusion saddle. Most of what I know is from talking to Kris at the
California Muni Weekend about the new saddle and that was very brief and
based on a prototype saddle and not the final version.

Here's what I know about the new Fusion saddle:

New handle design. It's thicker and more rounded where your fingers
wrap around. You can see the new handle in the picture at KrisHolm.com.
Confusingly, the picture of the Fusion saddle at Unicycle.com UK shows
the old handle. The new KH style saddles from Torker and other
suppliers are also coming with the new handle design.

The Fusion saddle is a little bit narrower up front (the nose of the
saddle). That is to reduce leg rubbing and chafing while pedaling. I'm
not sure how much narrower. I think it's only a few mm, maybe 5 mm or
so. Is the plastic saddle base actually narrower is it just the foam
that is narrower? I don't know.

I think there has been some beefing up internally in the saddle to make
it stiffer. This may be a stronger metal stiffener plate inside the
saddle. But I don't know. Someone will have to take a Fusion saddle
apart and take pictures so we can see. Hopefully by someone who has
taken an older KH saddle apart and can compare.

The density of the padding may also have changed. Kris mentioned that
it was going to be softer. I don't know if the production version
actually is softer or how much softer.

Other differences? I don't know.

There are still plenty of questions that haven't been answered yet about
what's all new and improved in the KH Fusion saddle. It is certainly
worthy of a new thread to get the conversation going and hopefully get
some answers.

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My mate Pebbles has a Fusion saddle on his KH20, he's had the uni for
about 6 months, I've got an Onza with KH saddle.

The differences we've noticed:

Fusion front is narrower,
Fusion Material is tougher,
Can't feel a difference in foam thickness,
Fusion has a fair creak to it and bends quite a bit.

New Fusion handles make the most difference. You don't get sore fingers
after a while anymore, and you get a better grip. I bought replacement
handle for other uni cos they're that good.

I would say if your saddle is all beat up and ripped/scuffed but the
foam and base are fine, get a fusion cover and a new handle. And if the
saddle isn't damaged, get a new handle anyway!

T.

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I rode a KH for about a week while I was waiting for my Fusion to show
up. I don't remember much, but I could probably borrow the seat from my
friend again and do a side by side comparo or something. The handle is
the one thing I can remember really well. The Fusion handle is so much
better than the KH handle.

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Is the fusion handle different from the handle on the new versions of
the normal KH seats?

They have a handle that's thicker at the front bit where your fingers
go. It feels much better than the old kh handle.

If they're the same then the only obvious difference would be the
removeable cover, which I'd guess is worth the £3 difference anyway.

Joe

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On the KH website it says about the KH seat "available with a normal or
removable (fusion) cover". That kind of implies the cover is the only
difference.

Joe

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yes the handle is much different its much more comfortable

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So is it different to the one in the picture on
http://www.krisholm.com/products/
then, which appears to be the handle on the newest KH seats (I got mine
in December), I've got one on my coker and it looks exactly like that.

This is the handle I've got http://tinyurl.com/5z23c

What's different about it? Is it even more more thick than that one, or
are the little ridges filled in or something?

Joe

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joemarshall said:

*So is it different to the one in the picture on
http://www.krisholm.com/products/
then, which appears to be the handle on the newest KH seats (I got
mine in December), I've got one on my coker and it looks exactly like
that.

This is the handle I've got http://tinyurl.com/5z23c

What's different about it? Is it even more more thick than that one,
or are the little ridges filled in or something?

Joe *

The saddle you have is the Fusion. Your seatcover is removable and has
laces right? The handle on the original KH didn't have the ridges, and
was much less comfortable because of it.

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Nope. On mine, the handle has ridges, seat cover isn't removeable
doesn't have laces. I just looked at it now. It doesn't say fusion on
the back like the fusion ones do either.

I'd guess that Unicycle.com have both types of normal kh seat at the
moment (old and new) and are giving people random ones until they run
out of the old kh seats, which may be why people don't have the new
handle. It worked like that with the first generation ones definately.

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Yeah, that's the Fusion handle you have there. I don't know about the
rest of the seat. Maybe a hybrid of KH and Fusion?

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On uincycles.com (USA) you can't buy a "Fusion Saddle" but you can buy
the cover, but, when you choose a KH saddle, it says you can have a
removable cover for an extra 15$ is the removable cover the fusion
cover? I'm assuming it is, but then it might be a third party removable
cover for the KH Saddle, and I'd really like the real thing.

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cyberpunk said:

*On uincycles.com (USA) you can't buy a "Fusion Saddle" but you can
buy the cover, but, when you choose a KH saddle, it says you can have
a removable cover for an extra 15$ is the removable cover the fusion
cover? I'm assuming it is, but then it might be a third party
removable cover for the KH Saddle, and I'd really like the real thing.
*

Straight off of uni.com's description of the KH saddle:

-Thick closed-cell foam padding with the correct density for comfort
plus support
-Strongest, most durable saddle cover material available
-Internal reinforcement plate for stiffness and strength
-Available with fixed or removable *(Fusion)* saddle covers

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Yes, the cover is an option. I guess when we have been saying the
'Fusion saddle,' that means the KH seat with the optional Fusion cover.

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Sigurd said:

*Yes, the cover is an option. I guess when we have been saying the
'Fusion saddle,' that means the KH seat with the optional Fusion
cover. *

Unicycle.com USA really needs to put the Fusion saddle in its own
product catagory rather than lumping it in with the older KH saddle.
The way they have it listed makes it appear to be the same seat just
with a removable seat cover.

The Fusion saddle is more than just a removable seat cover. The shape
of the seat is different (narrower up front) and other differences.

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Oh. I thought the 'narrower seat' part was the newer KH style as
opposed to the old one.

I give up...😕

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Sigurd said:

*Oh. I thought the 'narrower seat' part was the newer KH style as
opposed to the old one.

I give up...😕 *

You're not the only one confused. I'm not completely sure what's going
on either.
It's possible that the old style KH seats with the stapled on seat cover
will also get the new narrower shape. The Torker style and Velo style
seats may also get the same updated shape. But any old stock KH seats
are going to have the old wider shape.

Kris only controls the design and construction of the seats that get his
signature. Those are the real KH seats. Companies like Torker and Velo
also make similar saddles but they may use different materials to either
keep costs down or for style reasons. So there are many variations of
the KH saddle out there. Some may have the old shape and some may have
the new narrower shape.

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