Ketosis and Ketostix question

Pete wrote:
|| Does a pink ketostix result mean that you are losing weight?

no.

|| Although I can also imagine that if you were eating way way too much
|| non carbohydrate foods you could potentially be in ketosis but also
|| be putting on weight. Is my thinking about this correct?

So far.

And if so,
|| does that mean therefore that ketosis is indication of having
|| consumed too few carbs such that if your general food intake was
|| moderate, you would lose weight?
||

Define moderate? You only lose weight if you eat less than required to
maintain bodyweight.

Pete said:

Does a pink ketostix result mean that you are losing weight? Although I
can also imagine that if you were eating way way too much non
carbohydrate foods you could potentially be in ketosis but also be
putting on weight. Is my thinking about this correct? And if so, does
that mean therefore that ketosis is indication of having consumed too
few carbs such that if your general food intake was moderate, you would
lose weight?

Try this.

You eat only FAT. No carbs, no protein.

You would be in ketosis. You may, or may not, lose weight.

You eat 3,000 calories of fat per day.

You would be in ketosis and you would gain a lot of weight.

3,000 cals of fat and 100 gms per day of protein. You still stay in
ketosis and then still gain weight.

2,000 cals of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no carbs,
and you are still in ketosis and probably gain weight.

500 calories of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
carbs, and you are still in ketosis and almost certainly lose weight.

You can be in ketosis and still get fat if the calorie intake is excessive.

Jim

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jbuch said:

Pete said:

Does a pink ketostix result mean that you are losing weight?
Although I can also imagine that if you were eating way way too much
non carbohydrate foods you could potentially be in ketosis but also
be putting on weight. Is my thinking about this correct? And if so,
does that mean therefore that ketosis is indication of having
consumed too few carbs such that if your general food intake was
moderate, you would lose weight?

Try this.

You eat only FAT. No carbs, no protein.

You would be in ketosis. You may, or may not, lose weight.

You eat 3,000 calories of fat per day.

You would be in ketosis and you would gain a lot of weight.

3,000 cals of fat and 100 gms per day of protein. You still stay in
ketosis and then still gain weight.

2,000 cals of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
carbs, and you are still in ketosis and probably gain weight.

500 calories of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
carbs, and you are still in ketosis and almost certainly lose weight.

You can be in ketosis and still get fat if the calorie intake is
excessive.

Jim

jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Pete said:

Does a pink ketostix result mean that you are losing weight? Although I
can also imagine that if you were eating way way too much non
carbohydrate foods you could potentially be in ketosis but also be
putting on weight. Is my thinking about this correct? And if so, does
that mean therefore that ketosis is indication of having consumed too
few carbs such that if your general food intake was moderate, you would
lose weight?

Try this.

You eat only FAT. No carbs, no protein.

You would be in ketosis. You may, or may not, lose weight.

You eat 3,000 calories of fat per day.

You would be in ketosis and you would gain a lot of weight.

3,000 cals of fat and 100 gms per day of protein. You still stay in
ketosis and then still gain weight.

2,000 cals of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no carbs,
and you are still in ketosis and probably gain weight.

500 calories of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
carbs, and you are still in ketosis and almost certainly lose weight.

You can be in ketosis and still get fat if the calorie intake is excessive.

Jim

Did you actually try that, or is there a study that actually tried
that, or are you just saying that because that is the current
"scientific" belief?

I challenge you to eat 3000 cals of fat and 100gms of protein and see
if you can gain weight or not.

I would wager that you would not gain any appreciable amount of weight
on 3000 cals and 100 gms of protein per day. Seriously, I would wager
$50 american if you do this for, lets say, four weeks and post your
weight on fitday or some other weight tracking web service.

Conversely, I would challenge anyone to eat 1200 cals per day, *all*
refined and high-GI carbs, and see if they would lose weight. Same
bet, same length of time and same tracking.

I think the calorie nonsense is just that, nonsense.

TC

(tcomeau) said:

Did you actually try that, or is there a study that actually tried
that, or are you just saying that because that is the current
"scientific" belief?

Look up "acylation stimulation protein"

Quoted message said:

I challenge you to eat 3000 cals of fat and 100gms of protein and see
if you can gain weight or not.

I've done that before. I gained weight.

Quoted message said:

Conversely, I would challenge anyone to eat 1200 cals per day, *all*
refined and high-GI carbs, and see if they would lose weight. Same
bet, same length of time and same tracking.

Done that too, lost weight. Boy was I hungry though ;-)

tcomeau wrote:
|| jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:<[email hidden]>...
||| Pete wrote:
|||
|||| Does a pink ketostix result mean that you are losing weight?
|||| Although I
|||| can also imagine that if you were eating way way too much non
|||| carbohydrate foods you could potentially be in ketosis but also be
|||| putting on weight. Is my thinking about this correct? And if so,
|||| does
|||| that mean therefore that ketosis is indication of having consumed
|||| too
|||| few carbs such that if your general food intake was moderate, you
|||| would
|||| lose weight?
||||
|||
|||
||| Try this.
|||
||| You eat only FAT. No carbs, no protein.
|||
||| You would be in ketosis. You may, or may not, lose weight.
|||
||| You eat 3,000 calories of fat per day.
|||
||| You would be in ketosis and you would gain a lot of weight.
|||
||| 3,000 cals of fat and 100 gms per day of protein. You still stay in
||| ketosis and then still gain weight.
|||
||| 2,000 cals of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
||| carbs,
||| and you are still in ketosis and probably gain weight.
|||
||| 500 calories of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
||| carbs, and you are still in ketosis and almost certainly lose
||| weight.
|||
||| You can be in ketosis and still get fat if the calorie intake is
||| excessive.
|||
||| Jim
|||
||
|| Did you actually try that, or is there a study that actually tried
|| that, or are you just saying that because that is the current
|| "scientific" belief?
||
|| I challenge you to eat 3000 cals of fat and 100gms of protein and see
|| if you can gain weight or not.
||
|| I would wager that you would not gain any appreciable amount of
|| weight
|| on 3000 cals and 100 gms of protein per day. Seriously, I would wager
|| $50 american if you do this for, lets say, four weeks and post your
|| weight on fitday or some other weight tracking web service.
||
|| Conversely, I would challenge anyone to eat 1200 cals per day, *all*
|| refined and high-GI carbs, and see if they would lose weight. Same
|| bet, same length of time and same tracking.
||
|| I think the calorie nonsense is just that, nonsense.

I think you've got to be kidding. You don't think that people in general
can't lose weight on 1200 kcals of pure carbs per day? Are you serious?

You also seem to think that people can't gain weight eating large amounts of
fat and protein, with no carbs? Are you serious?

The bottom line: if you eat till you're stuffed everyday, no matter what
you're eating (well, I'm assuming food), you'll gain weight. If you go to
bed with an empty stomach or get slightly hungry before meals, you'll
generally lose weight. Counting calories is just one approach to limiting
consumption.

tcomeau said:

jbuch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Pete said:

Does a pink ketostix result mean that you are losing weight? Although I
can also imagine that if you were eating way way too much non
carbohydrate foods you could potentially be in ketosis but also be
putting on weight. Is my thinking about this correct? And if so, does
that mean therefore that ketosis is indication of having consumed too
few carbs such that if your general food intake was moderate, you would
lose weight?

Try this.

You eat only FAT. No carbs, no protein.

You would be in ketosis. You may, or may not, lose weight.

You eat 3,000 calories of fat per day.

You would be in ketosis and you would gain a lot of weight.

3,000 cals of fat and 100 gms per day of protein. You still stay in
ketosis and then still gain weight.

2,000 cals of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no carbs,
and you are still in ketosis and probably gain weight.

500 calories of fat and 100 grams of protein (400 calories) and no
carbs, and you are still in ketosis and almost certainly lose weight.

You can be in ketosis and still get fat if the calorie intake is excessive.

Jim

Did you actually try that, or is there a study that actually tried
that, or are you just saying that because that is the current
"scientific" belief?

Please visit planet Earth sometime.

Quoted message said:

I challenge you to eat 3000 cals of fat and 100gms of protein and see
if you can gain weight or not.

I would wager that you would not gain any appreciable amount of weight
on 3000 cals and 100 gms of protein per day. Seriously, I would wager
$50 american if you do this for, lets say, four weeks and post your
weight on fitday or some other weight tracking web service.

Conversely, I would challenge anyone to eat 1200 cals per day, *all*
refined and high-GI carbs, and see if they would lose weight. Same
bet, same length of time and same tracking.

Quoted message said:

I think the calorie nonsense is just that, nonsense.

TC

I repeat, please visit planet Earth sometime.

JIm

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:24:40 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
/snip/

Quoted message said:

You don't think that people in general
can't lose weight on 1200 kcals of pure carbs per day? Are you serious?

You also seem to think that people can't gain weight eating large amounts

of

Quoted message said:

fat and protein, with no carbs? Are you serious?

The bottom line: if you eat till you're stuffed everyday, no matter what
you're eating (well, I'm assuming food), you'll gain weight.

I GAIN weight on low-carb, because I keep eating more and more fat and
protein to try to get my energy level to what it was used to with fast
carbs. Then I went on a long drive and lived on cookies and crackers in the
front seat, and my weight went down to my usual (low end of BMI).

Skinny
still trying to fine tune it