Keeping this underground

I am going to have to disagree with my friend. The reason I am against
your Idea is that one of the ways I progess is by watching someone do
something, and then I go out I will try to do it. Your argument does
make sense but every time i watch a clip of andrew_carter, tomsey, Ryan
A., Jeff Groves, and Jess and his possie I get a crazy sensation to go
ride and progress.

ps. Sorry i if missed anyone those were just riders who came to mind who
make crazy short online films😄 😄

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Yea that' been a big problem for me. Everytime someone releases a
movie, I find that my skills are already passing the skills in the
movie. Okay... not really. I still suck.

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I love watching the online videos, the quality is unbelievable, and it
is really inspiring.

Every non unicyclist I show any of the videos think they are amazing.
People just don't believe that some of the things on the videos are
possible. There is no way non unicyclists would watch a feature length
video, but they are happy to watch short clips.

The best videos are the ones that riders do where they make a video,
then go home edit it, and add it to the gallery.

I wouldn't buy many videos of people riding; I would prefer to spend my
cash on new unicycles and bits for my bike. I think a lot of others
would be the same.

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unifreak7 said:

*This has been a problem for a few people. If you're good keep your
footage underground and release a movie. This sport is so young that
no one person can be so much ahead of everyone else that they can take
a 6 month break for shooting a movie and no one pass them. Well
they're not really passing them, just passing their last seen footage.
Then that person will post their footy on the gallery and take away
from the interest in the movie, that the person on "break" is
shooting. Don't post your stuff if it's good, (kinda a bad pred. adj.)
Work on it, and release a video. This sport is also too young for
anyone to get cocky about their skill. If you've got a few tricks
awesome, but don't get cocky. This sports devoleping like mad. Any one
can pass anyone else, just takes time. Sorry to be mean. Some might
agree with me, some will for sure disagree. But i don't mean for
anyone to be offened

-Shaun Johanneson *

Brock posted a much nicer version of what I am about to say, so if you
don't wish to hear something that ain't nice, don't read on.

Don't tell us how to shoot videos. Do what you want, be a capitalist,
and don't release any footage. We are not here to get rich, and nobody
unicycles for any reasonable profit. If you are looking to make money
with videos, get out of unicycling and go find a cheezy porno to star
in.

You posted this foolish thread as if you were replying to someone, and
your language reads as if anyone with any decent amount of skill is
already arrogant and self righteous when it comes to their riding. It
seems as if YOU are the one who is arrogant about having tricks, while
most others, skilled or not, just ride, and if they feel like it, post
videos of it.

You are speaking as if you are at the forefront of unicycling, and hence
have the right to tell us what is going on with it. You act as if you
are the judge of the age of unicycling, and you are the person who
decides whether someone can be "cocky" about their skills yet. I have
news for you. A good portion of the people out there ride to ride, not
to be better than everyone else. Quit talking about the age of
unicycling, because you act as if once the sport reaches a certain age,
there will be a few riders who will be like untouchables. That kind of
mentality is foolish and stupid. Basically, if you are looking to profit
from this sport, or to make it "evolve" into a stupid, corporate,
wannabe punk rebel sport such as skateboarding, please stop, and go get
another three wheels. There's never gonna be a "how tShaun Johanneson
Pro Uniier" video game, so quit trying to tell us how to ride our sports
and quit trying to start a capitalist buisness where there isn't a
market.

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Only slightly on topic, but I think the movies that really can work in
terms of sales are those with some sort of theme or story to them. My
all time favourite unicycling video to date is "Into The Thunder
Dragon". I'm sure Kris and Nathan have most likely overtaken the level
of skill they had while filming that movie (really really good!), but I
will still love watching it in 10 years because it tells a great story
and the movie really takes you there with them.

I like online movies and also buy all sorts of unicycling DVDs.

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I think Shaun's point is that short videos, well edited and set to music
are way preferable to five second long clips of a single trick, posted
solely to tell the world 'look I've done this new trick'. I must agree
with Shaun - save 'em up for a more impressive short film. Also if
people have seen all your latest fresh new tricks, then they'll be less
inclined to be impressed when they see the same footage or same trick
used in a short film. Just my 2c.

Brock - dare I say it but the majority of those videos by Jeff Groves,
Andrew Carter, Ryan A and Tomsey you've called 'clips' are actually
edited short films, not 'clips' as you've called them. It takes much
more time and effort to edit and put together a 4 minute film than a one
trick clip.

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heres my 2c.

im half half here.... i want everyone to appreciate my videos. and most
of the time, people are just impatient and want everything as soon as
possible.

i think... if its good enough. it can wait. and if i do beleive it is
far better to see in an actual dvd or video, than low quality short
online videos. also.... everyone who buys the latest dvd will be
contributing to more dvds being put out there...

also... everyone whom has posted here before mine has not produced a
dvd. its a very tedious thing to do and a lot of effort is looked
passed. i regard it as highly worth it though.

seriously dude. why did you start this thread? sort it out without
getting the masses invloved.

as far as i know the most innovative videos are not online.... heaton
doesnt upload anything....

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brockfisher05 said:

*... one of the ways I progess is by watching someone do something,
and then I go out I will try to do it.*

Call them clips or films or whatever you want, they're just another form
of expression / communication and I am amongst those who are very
receptive to such expression. Since I'm not lucky enough to have
regular riding partners, I learn my progressions by the grace of those
who share their accomplishments online.

Every rider has their own styles, and they're expressed both in the
riding and the filmmaking. Whether or not I can do the tricks I'm
watching, or if I've seen them ten times before, I'm always stoked to
see someone else's rendition. Regardless of the tricks, no two clips
are shot in the same location, or from the same angle.

Until the quality of online clips improves and the price of bandwidth
drops, I wouldn't worry if I were a DVD producer.

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I like to see online videos, especially with new tricks and ideas just
as much as anyone else, but I prefer that the better riders keep stuff
underground for video releases or until they are put into a more
complete format.

There are riders that post videos that I have asked to exclude certain
lines or tricks from them. Maybe this is a bit selfish, but it helps to
create a much more powerful video in the end. These are riders and
tricks that I have filmed for future videos.

The internet has made releasing new videos with top notch riding much
more challenging and frustrating. This is mainly because the timeframe
for producing unicycle videos is very long at the moment, so new tricks
might have been done 8+ months back, but never released or talked about.
There is a little frustration when someone will come up with it and
instantly post it online as a new trick. I still think it’s awesome
that they do, just saying it makes it more difficult for those of us
that are working to create full length videos with the newest tricks.
The fast progression of the sport and the ability to instantly post new
tricks online will force producers to release videos sooner to keep the
tricks original in them and also come up with other creative ways to
make the videos stand out.

As Andrew said for a video to really be timeless it does need to go
beyond just the riding, because the riding will always become outdated.
I have not seen this done too well in many action sports videos period,
but I hope to see it in some unicycle videos. In the end though, the
riding is key and I think it’s good when some riders are a bit reserved
in posting certain things online.

I hold back posting my footage because I want to release a really
enjoyable video that has all original footage. It has very little to do
with being able to sell more videos or make money off of them.

I also met Shaun this past weekend and he is a great guy who is really
excited about the sport. He is also one of the better riders I have
seen thus far.

-Dan

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cant wait till the next Syko video

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TonyMelton said:

*I think Shaun's point is that short videos, well edited and set to
music are way preferable to five second long clips of a single trick,
posted solely to tell the world 'look I've done this new trick'.*

If you're right, and he meant what you said, then I don't know why the
movie-section on his homepage only contains 2 second non-edited clips.

He is an awesome rider, as Dan pointed out. Who can claim he can do a
720 unispin? I can't 🙂

I think it's everybody's decision to keep stuff underground or not. I am
planning to make and release a bigger video in some months - for free.

Tomsey might know first hand, that making a DVD is not done for making
money, becaue he might have spent hundres of hours editing OWA - more or
less for free, because he won't get a rich man by selling the DVD. But I
think it is something to look back and say: Look what we Australien
Mates achieved. And for my part, I clap my hands and say: Well done, to
everybody who makes the effort to edit movies and release them - for
free or not.

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Bevan said it well. I like seeing how every one is getting along even if
the riding isnt great or the best its still fun to watch it. Some times
I think I can do better and maybe can but that doesnt make it not fun to
watch. Its kinda like an update how the person in the video is
inprooving and I like it. I dont think youre a big poster or reader, I
think this might be why you dont apriciate the the videos you think are
less then par.

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I prefer edited-together things of at least one minute long over
one-trick or one-line clips. What happens is I download them, and
eventually I have hundreds of tiny little clips with no good way to
watch them, other than one at a time. But really they're not very
watchable. Something like a Universe, or similar video is much more
watchable.

If you have no plans of editing your clips together, go ahead and post
them if you want. Point taken though, if you keep "leaking" little bits
and pieces of something someone else is trying to edit into a saleable
film, it will take away from not only the saleability, but the
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i love watching professional level stuff like the universe seriers, etc.
i think simply the quality of editing and music and all the other top
notch things put into those videos make them awesome. i like the 2-3
minutes of riding most of us post, maybe with a bit of text and music
and such. but to get that into a good format and size online is tough
and probably not worth it. I personally don't watch the professional
quality dvds for the "newest" tricks. i watch them for longer, and
better put together segments, with tricks/jumps/drops/locations that i
can't do/haven't been to. I definitely think there's room for both and i
understand why guys like dan don't release their stuff online.

i guess to sum: if you wanna put it online, go for it. if you wanna save
up your best stuff for a dvd, that's awesome too.

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I enjoy seeing all of the new things that people accomplish, and feel
that short clips in the forums are alot of fun. It is tough as a new
unicyclist (under 5 months) to learn new things without seeing some of
these video clips because unicycling is such an underground sport. It
is a sport that is growing in my city, but is still very small. I would
much rather see a group of riders or a complete session rather than a 30
second video clip because I enjoy learning about a riders location and
riding style as much as that 1 cool trick.
(I say that last line as I posted my 30 second 1 rider 1 trick video
yesturday) sorry!

Seeing a DVD is awsome! Sites, sounds, tricks, lines, all bundled up
into $19.99. Who could ask for more? I respect the riders who have the
ability to perform the tricks, and also the time, money, and dedication
to complete the DVD. Hats off!

Question:

If the sports best riders keep good footage for long periods does it
impact our sport? I say NO, our sport is so diverse that we have
passed the "ONE TRICK" plato.

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innes said:

* There is no way non unicyclists would watch a feature length video *

i guess. my whole family has seen universe

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I have a bunch of random thoughts on this subject.

Shaun, I think you're viewing this too much as a competition. It's
better to be concerned about advancing the sport as a whole than simply
being the best yourself.

While I do see the point in keeping good footage underground, I think
too much of that will hurt the sport. It might become more of a business
than a sport.

I, personally, don't like new tricks to be kept underground too much. I
think it's better to share them with the unicycling community, and
encourage others to learn them. This will help the sport grow faster. I
simply cannot afford to buy the latest unicycling DVD, because I can
barely keep myself in unicycle parts the way I go through them. So I get
most of my ideas from watching on-line videos. If a new trick is only
included in a DVD, only those who can afford to buy it will know about
it.

Another factor to keep in mind is this; if you are hyper-competitive, as
Shaun appears to be, you will probably want credit for inventing your
new tricks. Well if you wait six months after learning something new to
tell everyone about it, someone else might invent it on their own, so
you won't get credit for it.

Also, posting short clips of your riding is a very good way to promote
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jsm said:

*I think it's better to share them with the unicycling community, and
encourage others to learn them. *

agreed. i recently learned gliding (still no clue how to get stuff from
a digital camera on to the computer) after watching people do it over
and over in there clips. i get a lot of inspiration watching the good
clips. also who would want to post a bad clip- no one wants to see
those.

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chosen said:

*i guess. my whole family has seen universe *

I've shown at least 12-13 non-riders universe 2 (1-2 at a time)sicne i
got it.And my family.

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