keep the old feet warm need some help.

"Steve Knight" <[email hidden]>

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40

they

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are not going to be enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear

thick

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socks. any ideas? hopefully something that does not cost an arm or a leg?

I use plastic baggies... they take up no space at all and make it easier to get your shoes on. Plus,
they do a good job of keeping the cold air off your toes.

hth

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40 they are not going to be
enough.

I think they will, unless you mean -40F.

Don't underestimate neoprene. It'll keep the wind off your feet, and it has a lot of dead air
built-in for insulation.

cheers, Tom

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Neoprene booties work fine for me down into the mid 20s F. When my feet do get cold, it is because
air gets in around the cleat opening on the sole. Also, it is best to plug any ventilation holes,
such as those in Carnac Legends, in the soles of your shoes

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40

they

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are not going to be enough.

I think they will, unless you mean -40F.

Don't underestimate neoprene. It'll keep the wind off your feet, and it has a lot of dead air
built-in for insulation.

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I live and ride in coastal South Carolina so freezing weather is exceptional. I carefully rode
through last winter whild working on just this kind of question; how to use my riding clothes best
to keep warm.

I ride in $imano SPD sandals, normally bare footed. Wool/micro-fiber boot-socks are adequate down
through the 40Fs. Below that I used neoprene diving-booties as 'socks' inside my sandals. They were
comfortable down into the mid-20Fs - the coldest weather that we normally get.

Try neoprene socks.

Re your planes. I have a Stanley Multi-plane that I need to finish restoring.

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40

they

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are not going to be enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear

thick

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socks. any ideas? hopefully something that does not cost an arm or a leg?

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I've had good luck with ski socks and an older pair of shoes that have streched out over the years.
Keeps the good ones clean as a bonus.

The nice thing about the ski socks is that they are thicker in the front, knee high and padded
on the bottom. this helps keep the wind off my shins and the cold transfering from the cleat
off my feet.

Don't forget a hat and gloves, either.

Eric

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40 they are not going to be
enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear thick socks. any ideas? hopefully something that
does not cost an arm or a leg?

"Steve Knight" wrote

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40

they

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are not going to be enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear

thick

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socks. any ideas? hopefully something that does not cost an arm or a leg?

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I've used neoprene shoe covers (and thin liner socks inside my shoes) down to 0 deg F with good
results. The important thing is to keep the rest of your body, especially the head and neck, warm
and protected from the wind.
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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40 they are not going to be
enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear thick socks. any ideas? hopefully something that
does not cost an arm or a leg?

I ride every winter with platform pedals and insulated duck boots. They are not as "efficient" as
clipless and I'm not getting "maximum power", but I never have to cut a ride short due to cold feet.

Steve Knight said:

well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40 they are not going to be
enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear thick socks. any ideas?

Well, thicker socks can certainly help. I like the Polar Tek socks, but they are hard to find
for some reason. Wool would also be good. Another trick is to put a plastic bag over your toes.
Does wonders.

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well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40

they

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are not going to be enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear

thick

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socks. any ideas? hopefully something that does not cost an arm or a leg?

There are many different types of neoprene booties, shoe covers, to covers, etc. Almost all of them
are fine for me to freezing. Check out more of them and you should find something warmer. As it gets
down farther below freezing I layer the neoprene covers.

I experimented with many types of sock but none of them seem to make anywhere near as much warmth
difference as any of the neoprene covers. But a good heavy pair of wool hiking sock are really
comfortable if your winter shoes are a bit large.

For far below freezing hiking or even snowmobile boots may be in order.

Doug Toronto

Steve Knight said:

well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40

they

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are not going to be enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear

thick

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socks. any ideas? hopefully something that does not cost an arm or a leg?

Neoprene booties should be good down to about 30F for most folks. If you don't want to get roomier
shoes, you could try "toe warmers." These are pads that attach to your socks and generate heat by
chemical action. They help some and last around 4 hours. You can get them at outdoor and hunting
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Steve Knight said:

well warm and dry. I have a pair of neoprene overs but I think below 40 they are not going to be
enough. my road shoes fit snugly so i can't wear thick socks. any ideas? hopefully something that
does not cost an arm or a leg?

Another trick I've heard - Vick's vapor rub on your feet. The grease would help insulate your feet
and the menthol stimulates blood flow.

Personally, I use the catalytic toe warmers, neoprene toe covers, and when it gets *really* cold, I
get rid of the shoes with the steel bits in the sole. A pair of Thinsulate-insulated work boots keep
my feet pretty warm for as long as the rest of me is willing to be out in the elements.

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The important thing is to keep the rest of your body, especially the head and neck, warm and
protected from the wind.

I believe there is some truth to this. I used to like to ride cold so I would sweat very little. My
feet and hands always felt colder to me than other riders described their own sensations. Last year
I tried dressing warmer all over and didn't have any cold hand or problems. I think the warmer
underwear made some of that difference.

And last week my bare hands & head felt fine in 8C/46F rain while my chest & legs were dressed for
freezing. I didn't feel overheated although I sweat a lot. Others have said you can overheat one
part of your body to make up for another part. It seems like it could be true.

Also feeling warmer on the body I seem to feel feel more like riding hard, like I would in warm
weather so I get a more intense ride.

Doug Toronto

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The important thing is to keep the rest of your body, especially the head and neck, warm and
protected from the wind.

I believe there is some truth to this. I used to like to ride cold so I would sweat very little. My
feet and hands always felt colder to me than other riders described their own sensations. Last year
I tried dressing warmer all over and didn't have any cold hand or problems. I think the warmer
underwear made some of that difference.

And last week my bare hands & head felt fine in 8C/46F rain while my chest & legs were dressed for
freezing. I didn't feel overheated although I sweat a lot. Others have said you can overheat one
part of your body to make up for another part. It seems like it could be true.

Also feeling warmer on the body I seem to feel feel more like riding hard, like I would in warm
weather so I get a more intense ride.

Doug Toronto

Hikers used to say "Your feet are cold? Put on a hat!" Bernie

thanks all in portland I don't think it will get real cold. seldom does it stay freezing much. my
feet at 40 are ok but the toes are a bit chilly. all it really does is make the shoe uncomfortable.
I bet coolmax socks would do it. hell anything I wear of coolmax roasts me. I can wear a cool max
long sleeve shirt and my burly rain coat with all vents open at 42 and keep plenty warm and sweat
some too. seems my feet get colder then even my bare hands.

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Bernie said:

Doug Purdy said:

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The important thing is to keep the rest of your body, especially the head and neck, warm and
protected from the wind.

I believe there is some truth to this. I used to like to ride cold so I would sweat very little.
My feet and hands always felt colder to me than other riders described their own sensations. Last
year I tried dressing warmer all over and didn't have any cold hand or problems. I think the
warmer underwear made some of that difference.

And last week my bare hands & head felt fine in 8C/46F rain while my chest & legs were dressed
for freezing. I didn't feel overheated although I sweat a lot. Others have said you can overheat
one part of your body to make up for another part. It seems like it could be true.

Also feeling warmer on the body I seem to feel feel more like riding hard, like I would in warm
weather so I get a more intense ride.

Doug Toronto

Hikers used to say "Your feet are cold? Put on a hat!" Bernie

Hikers say all kinds of stupid things, don't they? They have some of the right idea here, but
cycling tends to freeze extremities because they're not doing a lot of work. While your feet are
connected to the pedals, they're not actually doing much down there, and probably need to be dressed
a little better than the rest of your body. Similarly, I find the need to "overdress" hands because
they're out in the wind and not doing much work.

Core temperature is important, but it tends to take care of itself on a bike. In Vancouver I would
rarely consider more than a jersey, arm warmers, and a second shell garment. Sometimes I use an ugly
yellow fleece over my jersey, which does nothing to cut wind but still keeps me reasonably warm.

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Bernie said:

Doug Purdy said:

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>The important thing is to keep the rest of your body, especially the head and neck, warm and
>protected from the wind.
>
I believe there is some truth to this. I used to like to ride cold so I would sweat very little.
My feet and hands always felt colder to me than other riders described their own sensations. Last
year I tried dressing warmer all over and didn't have any cold hand or problems. I think the
warmer underwear made some of that difference.

And last week my bare hands & head felt fine in 8C/46F rain while my chest & legs were dressed
for freezing. I didn't feel overheated although I sweat a lot. Others have said you can overheat
one part of your body to make up for another part. It seems like it could be true.

Also feeling warmer on the body I seem to feel feel more like riding hard, like I would in warm
weather so I get a more intense ride.

Doug Toronto

Hikers used to say "Your feet are cold? Put on a hat!" Bernie

Hikers say all kinds of stupid things, don't they? They have some of the right idea here, but
cycling tends to freeze extremities because they're not doing a lot of work. While your feet are
connected to the pedals, they're not actually doing much down there, and probably need to be
dressed a little better than the rest of your body. Similarly, I find the need to "overdress" hands
because they're out in the wind and not doing much work.

Core temperature is important, but it tends to take care of itself on a bike. In Vancouver I
would rarely consider more than a jersey, arm warmers, and a second shell garment. Sometimes I
use an ugly yellow fleece over my jersey, which does nothing to cut wind but still keeps me
reasonably warm.

The hiker's quote does work if you are walking. Heat loss thru the head is fairly high. If you abate
that heat loss, you will warm the extremities somewhat. I've been wearing (and continue to wear)
"ragg wool" gloves for cold weather rides - from KMart or Zellers or ... They are lined with a thin
yellow foamy material. Dunnow what it is, but it insulates just about right for the west coast
temperatures, and is warm and comfortable even when soaking wet. They don't have them in store so
far this year, and I need another pair.
PS: they are dirt cheap, like $5 cad. I tend to dress "light" when I ride too, but carry a wool
pullover to wear under my wind/rain jacket when stopped, or when I'm just tired and feeling the
chill. Be careful out there, cold can do harm. Regards, Bernie

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thanks all in portland I don't think it will get real cold. seldom does it stay freezing much. my
feet at 40 are ok but the toes are a bit chilly. all it really does is make the shoe
uncomfortable. I bet coolmax socks would do it. hell anything I wear of coolmax roasts me. I can
wear a cool max long sleeve shirt and my burly rain coat with all vents open at 42 and keep plenty
warm and sweat some too. seems my feet get colder then even my bare hands.

1. i bought a pair of closeout 45-USD shoes, oversized to wear w/ thick wool socks. (now is a good
time to score a off season pair.) not stated in the earlier posts is that the last thing you
want to do it stuff thick socks & your foot into your normal shoe: the blood vessels are close
to the skin & the tight fit will restrict flow, making the foot colder. i think i have the same
problem w/ my neoprene socks, slightly too snug on my foot.

2. i've rarely use (1). i usually use Shimano sandals w/ GoreTex socks & maybe wool socks.
"ShimaNO!" N/A here.

3. baby oil your skin. great stuff to keep you warm.

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1. i bought a pair of closeout 45-USD shoes, oversized to wear w/ thick wool socks. (now is a good
time to score a off season pair.) not stated in the earlier posts is that the last thing you
want to do it stuff thick socks & your foot into your normal shoe: the blood vessels are close
to the skin & the tight fit will restrict flow, making the foot colder. i think i have the same
problem w/ my neoprene socks, slightly too snug on my foot.

good idea. but not sure i can afford it. I still need more bibs I only have one pair.

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