just heard, that tyre slasher

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He got 16 months for slashing tyres in Bournemouth area
(see earlier trails) IanB

Good ridance.

IanB said:

He got 16 months for slashing tyres in Bournemouth area
(see earlier trails) IanB

Should have pleaded to being a drunken yob, would have got
a £25 fine.

The 16 month sentence stands in stark contrast to the
derisory fines given to drivers who kill or maim cyclists
and pedestrians as a result of quite deliberately taking
risks with the safety of others.

It also laughable that the AA says he should have reported
those drivers who almost run him down to the police. I was
seriously injured by a 'hit and run' driver and the police
got as far as establishing that he was driving whilst
disqualified then totally lost interest, not even bothering
to interview him for a month and then doing bugger all ever
again when he wasn't in. Others I have spoken to on trying
to report a driver who has knocked them off have been told
by the police 'So what do you expect me to do about it, you
are not dead are you?' The guy was wrong and stupid but it
is no surprise that some might feel so powerless that they
take the law into their own hands.

By way of comparison, The local paper last night carried a
story of a disqualified driver, having 21 convictions for
driving whilst disqualified, two convictions for dangerous
driving, five instances of failing to provide a breath test,
one conviction for actually failing a breath test, who had
twice escaped from custody, who failed to answer bail on
five occassions, and who in a 'hit and run' killing after a
7 hour drinking binge ran down and left a 35 year old
teacher dead in the road, laughing has he drove off and
later joking about it with with his friends and who was
found guilty of careless driving, failing to stop, failing
to report an 'accident' and driving with no insurance was
also sentenced...

To five and a half months....

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Quoted message said:

Others I have spoken to on trying to report a driver who
has knocked them off have been told by the police 'So what
do you expect me to do about it, you are not dead are
you?' The guy was wrong and stupid but it is no surprise
that some might feel so powerless that they take the law
into their own hands.

I've had a similar experience, last October, not long after
I'd got my new bike so I wasn't 100% used to the new riding
position (old bike was MTB). I was riding up a slight hill,
on a long bend. Boy racer in his white Ford Escort full of
his mates comes zooming up behind me, I could tell what was
about to happen by the noise and the closeness of it.
Sideswipes me, and one of the tossers in the car sticks his
arm out and clouts me on the way past. It was obvious he'd
driven in towards the kerb to get at me, then once he'd
passed he moved out again.

I got a good look at the car and the passengers, and
memorised the registration. Went to the police station later
that day. After telling the helpful friendly officer at the
desk, he wasn't the slight bit interested. They'd not
knocked me off my bike, no injury, no damage to the bike,
what's the problem? Maybe I need broken bones and a written-
off bike before they'll issue a £5 fine to the driver.

Quoted message said:

By way of comparison, The local paper last night carried a
story of a disqualified driver, having 21 convictions for
driving whilst disqualified, two convictions for dangerous
driving, five instances of failing to provide a breath
test, one conviction for actually failing a breath test,
who had twice escaped from custody, who failed to answer
bail on five occassions, and who in a 'hit and run'
killing after a 7 hour drinking binge ran down and left a
35 year old teacher dead in the road, laughing has he
drove off and later joking about it with with his friends
and who was found guilty of careless driving, failing to
stop, failing to report an 'accident' and driving with no
insurance was also sentenced...

To five and a half months....

WHAT!!!!!!!! That is disgusting.

On 16 Apr 2004 14:38:10 -0700, [email hidden] (Howard)

wrote in message : said:

By way of comparison, The local paper last night carried a
story of a disqualified driver, having 21 convictions for
driving whilst disqualified, two convictions for dangerous
driving, five instances of failing to provide a breath
test, one conviction for actually failing a breath test,
who had twice escaped from custody, who failed to answer
bail on five occassions, and who in a 'hit and run' killing
after a 7 hour drinking binge ran down and left a 35 year
old teacher dead in the road, laughing has he drove off and
later joking about it with with his friends and who was
found guilty of careless driving, failing to stop, failing
to report an 'accident' and driving with no insurance was
also sentenced... To five and a half months....

I have not the words. Can we have a link, please, I feel
another letter coming on...

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you know? said:

I have not the words. Can we have a link, please, I feel
another letter coming on...

I was chatting with a friend about this. We decided that
anyone who kills while driving without insurance, tax or MOT
should be charged with manslaughter, unless they kill
deliberately in which case the charge should be murder.

Quoted message said:

I was chatting with a friend about this. We decided that
anyone who kills while driving without insurance, tax or
MOT should be charged with manslaughter, unless they kill
deliberately in which case the charge should be murder.

Nah, wouldn't work 'cos half the time it's not manslaughter.
How's about just increasing the penalties so they're in line
with manslaughter. Less wiggle room with that one.

I can also see the logic in cutting of goolies. It would
reduce the aggression and risk taking in drivers[1]

[1] Well, pedestrians, seeing as how I'd really rather not
have people on the roads that have killed.

In my more fascist moments I've often wondered about how to
shorten the car chases on Police Camera Action and the like.
When filmed from the helicopter there're these lovely set of
crosshairs in the middle of the screen...

On 17 Apr 2004 20:26:52 GMT, Mark Thompson
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was chatting with a friend about this. We decided that
anyone who kills while driving without insurance, tax or
MOT should be charged with manslaughter, unless they kill
deliberately in which case the charge should be murder.

Quoted message said:

Nah, wouldn't work 'cos half the time it's not
manslaughter. How's about just increasing the penalties so
they're in line with manslaughter. Less wiggle room with
that one.

In this case the laughing afterwards makes it manslaughter,
in my view.

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Just zis Guy said:

I have not the words.

Guy, coming from you that's not, erm, credible.

Quoted message said:

I feel another letter coming on...

See, you have the perfect words.

Anyone else think we should elect Guy to Minister for Roads
in the joined-up Department for Communications and
Transport? Dream on ...

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Quoted message said:

I have not the words. Can we have a link, please, I feel
another letter coming on...

Go to

thisishull.co.ukthisishull.co.ukOpen ↗

and type in 'Mark Webster'

Cheers,

Howard.

By the way, the paper and various correspondents seem to be
in agreement that the sentence is a disgrace. However, the
editor of the Hull Mail has also been arguing for weeks that
the authorities risk 'alienating' drivers if they expect
them to know the contents of The Highway Code'. This seems a
rather inconsistent attitude toward driver responsibility so
I have sent them the following.

'The Hull Daily Mail seems to have a very inconsistent
attitude towards driver responsibility. It quite correctly
argues that drivers who kill or maim should be held to be
fully accountable for their actions. For example, by facing
much stiffer penalties then they currently do, especially
when they were driving whilst disqualified, commit a 'hit
and run' offence or have willfully taken risks with the
safety of others. Conversely, it is argued that expecting
motorists to know the contents of The Highway Code risks
'alienating' them.

The key to improving road safety is to at last begin to hold
drivers to be fully responsible for their own actions, not
to treat them like misbehaving children who pretend they
don't know they are being 'naughty'. Those who make
apologies for law breaking motorists undermine this basic
principle of personal responsibility, as do the courts when
they hand down derisory sentences to drivers who have killed
or maimed others.

Such collusion with the all-powerful motor lobby has
resulted in the persistence of the myth that motor crashes
are 'accidents' and has ensured that motorists continue to
dominate the roads with only minimal regulation of their
behaviour. The ultimate result of this has been over 100
years of carnage on our roads. It seems the next 100 years
may well be no different.'

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

I was chatting with a friend about this. We decided that
anyone who kills while driving without insurance, tax or
MOT should be charged with manslaughter, unless they kill
deliberately in which case the charge should be murder.

Nah, wouldn't work 'cos half the time it's not
manslaughter. How's about just increasing the penalties so
they're in line with manslaughter. Less wiggle room with
that one.

Someone has gone out of their home with the intension of
handling a potentially lethal weapon, in the full knowledge
that the law does not allow them to take control of the
weapon without insurance, tax and MOT.

People get greater prison sentences for carrying an
unlicensed gun - and that's before anyone's been killed, yet
cars kill a great many more people in this country each year
than guns do.

On 16 Apr 2004 14:38:10 -0700, [email hidden] (Howard)

Quoted message said:

The 16 month sentence stands in stark contrast to the
derisory fines given to drivers who kill or maim cyclists
and pedestrians as a result of quite deliberately taking
risks with the safety of others.

It also laughable that the AA says he should have reported
those drivers who almost run him down to the police. I was
seriously injured by a 'hit and run' driver and the police
got as far as establishing that he was driving whilst
disqualified then totally lost interest, not even bothering
to interview him for a month and then doing bugger all ever
again when he wasn't in. Others I have spoken to on trying
to report a driver who has knocked them off have been told
by the police 'So what do you expect me to do about it, you
are not dead are you?' The guy was wrong and stupid but it
is no surprise that some might feel so powerless that they
take the law into their own hands.

Hi Howard and others I was deliberetly knocked of my bike
down Weel Road nr Beverley

Gerry and I were out cycling down Weel Road, (marked as a
cycle route) when a car overtook us and cut in front of
Gerry, the driver then slowed down and started giving loads
of abuse, we rode after him, he then braked and I hit the
side of his car. He then drove off, the following car then
came alongside me and swung left knocking me of my bike,
both then drove off. I was taken to hospital by ambulance,
abrasions to right arm, pulled muscles in back etc. Police
traced the drivers who by that time had reported the matter
saying following an argument a cyclist had wobbled and the
car had hit me. It turns out the driver of the second car is
the father of the driver of the first car. Where the
incident happened the road has an unsurfaced cut in were
anglers park there cars (hard mud etc) at that point the
road and cut in is seven metres wide. On the made up road
surface an eight wheel lorry and a car can safely pass, when
I was knocked off I was on the un-madeup mud section.
Initially the police were intrested, despite having a phot
of the tyre marks they now appear to have lost interest

Steve

You are so right and this is soooooooo disgusting! I'm
telling ya, if you hate someone so much that you want them
dead, do it with a car, you'll get away with it!!

Like that guy who was [censored] at the wheel, talking on the
mobile, lost control of the car, hit another oncoming car
and killed three people. He was just fined a few thousand
quid to which HE IS APPEALING!!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE
THAT??????

Vivian
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"We learned more from a three minute record than we ever
learned in school". No Surrender

"Howard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The 16 month sentence stands in stark contrast to the
derisory fines given to drivers who kill or maim cyclists
and pedestrians as a result of quite deliberately taking
risks with the safety of others.

It also laughable that the AA says he should have reported
those drivers who almost run him down to the police. I was
seriously injured by a 'hit and run' driver and the police
got as far as establishing that he was driving whilst
disqualified then totally lost interest, not even
bothering to interview him for a month and then doing
bugger all ever again when he wasn't in. Others I have
spoken to on trying to report a driver who has knocked
them off have been told by the police 'So what do you
expect me to do about it, you are not dead are you?' The
guy was wrong and stupid but it is no surprise that some
might feel so powerless that they take the law into their
own hands.

By way of comparison, The local paper last night carried a
story of a disqualified driver, having 21 convictions for
driving whilst disqualified, two convictions for dangerous
driving, five instances of failing to provide a breath
test, one conviction for actually failing a breath test,
who had twice escaped from custody, who failed to answer
bail on five occassions, and who in a 'hit and run'
killing after a 7 hour drinking binge ran down and left a
35 year old teacher dead in the road, laughing has he
drove off and later joking about it with with his friends
and who was found guilty of careless driving, failing to
stop, failing to report an 'accident' and driving with no
insurance was also sentenced...

To five and a half months....

Hi Steve,

Sorry to hear about the attack made on you. Don't give in.
Humberside police do seem to be uninterested in cyclist
casualties but still kick up a fuss. When one of us was
deliberately run down a couple of years ago on a 'last of
the summer winers' ride the police also attempted to get
away with doing nothing but through persistance it went to
court and the driver was required to pay compensation. If
you are in the CTC get onto them and get their solicitor to
lean on them. If things seem to be going nowhere try writing
a letter of concern to Seargent Pete Swann, their traffic
management officer- he knows what is what and should be
sympathetic. If the officer dealing with the case seems
unsympatheic complain to his/her superior officer. Make it
quite clear what has gone on here. Get the drivers insurance
details off the police and submit a claim to them.

Drivers know full well that they can literally get away with
murder if the are so inclined, or perhaps a £100 fine if
they are unlucky, still you owe it to yourselves and other
cyclists to fight for your rights. Act now after 6 months
the case will be dead as far as the police are concerned.

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Quoted message said:

On 17 Apr 2004 20:26:52 GMT, Mark Thompson
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was chatting with a friend about this. We decided
that anyone who kills while driving without insurance,
tax or MOT should be charged with manslaughter, unless
they kill deliberately in which case the charge should
be murder.

Not sure who said that. Sounds a bit too much like the fuss
kicked up about that illegal immigrant. Each case needs to
be considered properly. Not having a tax disc does not make
an "accident" manslaughter.

Even not having an MOT would only really count if the car's
condition contributed to the accident.

IanB said:

He got 16 months for slashing tyres in Bournemouth area
(see earlier trails)

16 months goes to show what a total lack of justice there is
in this country. Nevertheless, it is interesting that this
news came out on one of the rare days when we have had a
reasonable amount of rain this year. In our area at least,
motorists drive MUCH faster when it is wet. If a few of
these were given 16 months, we would have better roads for
cycling on.

Graham

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Jon Senior said:

Another good one:

A car thief who (over a ~6 year period IIRC) stole cars,
drove them around for a while, then returned them with
contents intact to the location they were stolen from...
after giving them a full valet... was sentenced to 6
years. This was mentioned as a counterpoint to the
sentence for a recent drunk-driving killing of a
pedestrian who got a somewhat lesser sentence.

Could he come and do mine?

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Jon Senior said:

Another good one:

A car thief who (over a ~6 year period IIRC) stole cars,
drove them around for a while, then returned them with
contents intact to the location they were stolen from...
after giving them a full valet... was sentenced to 6
years. This was mentioned as a counterpoint to the
sentence for a recent drunk-driving killing of a
pedestrian who got a somewhat lesser sentence.

Could he come and do mine?

Yes, and mine, please?

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Quoted message said:

16 months goes to show what a total lack of justice there
is in this country.

Graham

Then again, doing otherwise would have gone against the
great British tradition of jailing those who have a mental
disorder and have also broken the law, rather then
treating them...