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  1. Inspired by the insipid gay marriage debate, I propose that we discuss the
    following:

    1) Abortion - who is right, who is wrong?

    2) Religion - which is the one true God?

    3) Politics - What party platform is best - Republican
    or Democrat?

    4) Social engineering - Should we launch another Great
    Society? Why/why not?

    5) Creationism v. Evolution - Which is correct?

    6) Out of wedlock birth - Social stigma? Should there be?

    7) Middle east - Arabs or Jews - which people have the
    best position?

    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll check back later.

  2. WHY? "Znarf" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    news: [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Inspired by the insipid gay marriage debate, I propose
    that we discuss the following:

    1) Abortion - who is right, who is wrong?

    2) Religion - which is the one true God?

    3) Politics - What party platform is best - Republican or
    Democrat?

    4) Social engineering - Should we launch another Great
    Society? Why/why not?

    5) Creationism v. Evolution - Which is correct?

    6) Out of wedlock birth - Social stigma? Should there be?

    7) Middle east - Arabs or Jews - which people have the
    best position?

    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll


    check

    Quoted message said:

    back later.

  3. "Znarf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    I'll take #8:

    Taylor acoustic guitars are fantastic. They shame every
    other brand I come across. Even with heavy gauge strings,
    the action is effortless and responsive. About ten years ago
    I came across a very high-end Guild acoustic that was close,
    but nothing beats a Taylor.

    I love them. God, how I love them. If only I could play one
    now, freshly strung with some Martin Marquis mediums. My
    $600 cut- away Yamaha is mere kindling next to a Taylor. I
    would cry in joy if one was bought for me. Please? Anyone?
    tenkbabe? I really need one. I'll become a republican, get a
    US citizenship, and vote for Bush. Anything.

    This is the one I want.

    taylorguitars.commodel.aspx

    Now, how could any of you argue that this is not one hell of
    a finely crafted guitar that will sound incredible? I don't
    need to make any arguments to convince this fact. If yu had
    it in your hands for five seconds, enough time to play a
    chord and let it ring, I promise you it would be sweet.

    Any disagreements? 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll check back later.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
    insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
    down constantly."

  4. "Znarf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    : Inspired by the insipid gay marriage debate, I propose
    : that we discuss the following:
    :
    : 1) Abortion - who is right, who is wrong?

    Yes

    :
    : 2) Religion - which is the one true God?

    TV, in America

    :
    : 3) Politics - What party platform is best - Republican or
    : Democrat?

    NOTA- None of the above

    :
    : 4) Social engineering - Should we launch another Great
    : Society? Why/why not?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yawn<<

    :
    : 5) Creationism v. Evolution - Which is correct?

    Neither can be proven

    :
    : 6) Out of wedlock birth - Social stigma? Should there be?

    Problem for society- I'm in a Foster Parent program. None of
    the kids come from 2 parent intact families.

    :
    : 7) Middle east - Arabs or Jews - which people have the
    : best position?

    Missionaries

    :
    : 8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    : convince others that you are right.

    Life is too short and too wonderful to spend all our time
    upset, angry, anxious, worried and critical of everyone
    who's not exactly like us. Further, genuine encouragement
    given at appropriate times can change the lives of those
    around us. Our words have power when we encourage and lift
    up rather than hate and tear down.

    :
    : Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    : responses. I'll
    check
    : back later.
    :
    :

  5. X-No-Archive: yes
    "Znarf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Inspired by the insipid gay marriage debate, I propose
    that we discuss the following:

    1) Abortion - who is right, who is wrong?

    Left is right. Right is left. (behind.)

    Quoted message said:


    2) Religion - which is the one true God?

    No religion is the best religion.

    Quoted message said:


    3) Politics - What party platform is best - Republican or
    Democrat?

    Green Party.

    Quoted message said:


    4) Social engineering - Should we launch another Great
    Society? Why/why not?

    There is no such thing as a Great Society. Only some are
    better then others.

    Quoted message said:

    5) Creationism v. Evolution - Which is correct?

    Creationism was created. Evolution evolved.

    Quoted message said:


    6) Out of wedlock birth - Social stigma? Should there be?

    Stigma is dogmatic. Dogma is stigmatic.

    Quoted message said:

    7) Middle east - Arabs or Jews - which people have the
    best position?

    Depends on which position you support.

    Quoted message said:


    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    I believe I am. Therefore I am.

    Quoted message said:

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll check back later.

    Even girls can reply to this thread.

    MWL

    -------------

    www.babesagainstbush.com

  6. Taylor's are utter [censored]!!!! Only Martin's are worth half the
    money you pay for them. What the hell is wrong with you?

    Since you don't know me...... I'll add the smiley.... 8*)

    My #8..... Best guitar player in history?.... Weird Al...
    (ok... he plays an accordion)

    "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Znarf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    I'll take #8:

    Taylor acoustic guitars are fantastic. They shame every
    other brand I come across. Even with heavy gauge strings,
    the action is effortless and responsive. About ten years
    ago I came across a very high-end Guild acoustic that was
    close, but nothing beats a Taylor.

    I love them. God, how I love them. If only I could play
    one now, freshly strung with some Martin Marquis mediums.
    My $600 cut- away Yamaha is mere kindling next to a
    Taylor. I would cry in joy if one was bought for me.
    Please? Anyone? tenkbabe? I really need one. I'll become a
    republican, get a US citizenship, and vote for Bush.
    Anything.

    This is the one I want.

    taylorguitars.commodel.aspx
    15

    Now, how could any of you argue that this is not one hell
    of a finely crafted guitar that will sound incredible? I
    don't need to make any arguments to convince this fact.
    If yu had it in your hands for five seconds, enough time
    to play a chord and let it ring, I promise you it would
    be sweet.

    Any disagreements? 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll check back later.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
    insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
    down constantly."

  7. My cat's name is mittens.

    --
    Ralph

    "Znarf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NYydnXiyBKTlsuLdRVn-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Inspired by the insipid gay marriage debate, I propose
    that we discuss the following:

    1) Abortion - who is right, who is wrong?

    2) Religion - which is the one true God?

    3) Politics - What party platform is best - Republican or
    Democrat?

    4) Social engineering - Should we launch another Great
    Society? Why/why not?

    5) Creationism v. Evolution - Which is correct?

    6) Out of wedlock birth - Social stigma? Should there be?

    7) Middle east - Arabs or Jews - which people have the
    best position?

    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll


    check

    Quoted message said:

    back later.

  8. "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Taylor acoustic guitars are fantastic. They shame every
    other brand I come across. Even with heavy gauge strings,
    the action is effortless and responsive. About ten years
    ago I came across a very high-end Guild acoustic that was
    close, but nothing beats a Taylor.

    I love them. God, how I love them. If only I could play
    one now, freshly strung with some Martin Marquis mediums.
    My $600 cut- away Yamaha is mere kindling next to a
    Taylor. I would cry in joy if one was bought for me.
    Please? Anyone? tenkbabe? I really need one. I'll become a
    republican, get a US citizenship, and vote for Bush.
    Anything.

    This is the one I want.

    taylorguitars.commodel.aspx
    15


    OMG, David, you ignorant baffoon! How could you possibly
    think a Taylor PS15 was worth it's weight in manure?

    Just kidding. I have played a Taylor for about 11 years and
    have loved every single time I have taken it out of the
    case. You fantasy Taylor looks a bit more spendy than mine
    (What is the MSRP on that one?). Mine is a 410-E, which they
    may not make any more. At the time, the 410 was their bottom
    of the line guitar, but I think they go considerably lower
    than that now.

    Anyway, I really hope you get one some day. It will make you
    smile. Often.

    Brian Jones

  9. Quoted message said:

    Taylor acoustic guitars are fantastic. They shame every
    other brand I come across. Even with heavy gauge strings,
    the action is effortless and responsive. About ten years
    ago I came across a very high-end Guild acoustic that was
    close, but nothing beats a Taylor.

    Taylors suck ass. Get a Martin or shut the hell up.

    --
    Brian P. Baresch Fort Worth, Texas, USA Professional editing
    and proofreading

    If you're going through hell, keep going. --Winston
    Churchill

  10. Quoted message said:

    "Znarf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    8) Fill in your own belief wrapped in emotion and try to
    convince others that you are right.

    SwStudio said:

    I'll take #8:

    Taylor acoustic guitars are fantastic. They shame every
    other brand I come across. Even with heavy gauge strings,
    the action is effortless and responsive. About ten years
    ago I came across a very high-end Guild acoustic that was
    close, but nothing beats a Taylor.

    I love them. God, how I love them. If only I could play
    one now, freshly strung with some Martin Marquis mediums.
    My $600 cut- away Yamaha is mere kindling next to a
    Taylor. I would cry in joy if one was bought for me.
    Please? Anyone? tenkbabe? I really need one. I'll become a
    republican, get a US citizenship, and vote for Bush.
    Anything.

    This is the one I want.

    taylorguitars.commodel.aspx
    15

    Now, how could any of you argue that this is not one hell
    of a finely crafted guitar that will sound incredible? I
    don't need to make any arguments to convince this fact.
    If yu had it in your hands for five seconds, enough time
    to play a chord and let it ring, I promise you it would
    be sweet.

    Any disagreements? 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Boy, I can't wait to see the thougtful and insightful
    responses. I'll check back later.


    cheers,

    Ozzie staying off the topic of running responds:

    David,

    Living in the hometown of Taylor, I have an
    interesting story.

    I have a Martin 000-18 from 1960 purchased in downtown
    Philly. Living in D.C. from 64 to 68, I was able to
    purchase a D-35 at cost from a violin shop as the owner's
    daughter was playing in a folkmass group I was leading in
    Silver Spring.

    When I moved back to SanDiego, Uris down at the Blue Guitar
    shaved the struts and lowered the action. Added a Barcus-
    Berry pickup. The end is a wonderful sound, and I now only
    play it infrequently. Think you've inspired me to get back.

    In the early 70's I taught guitar and created a summer
    program where I hired several guitar playing friends to
    teach grade school kids. The book I created was about 70 pop
    songs and folksongs with chords. So at the end of 8 weeks
    they could play a number of these songs...and sing along
    with their playing.

    One of those students was a guy named Michael Gonzales. Fast
    forward 25 years. My daughter, Allison, is a 9th grader at a
    local private school called Frances Parker. She decides to
    take up the guitar and starts in a class. She brings the
    book I had put together from the 70's as it had a lot of the
    songs they would be playing and there was a nice page of the
    chords for each key.

    Her teacher saw it in her guitar case, and was blown away
    saying: "Where did you get that book? That's the book I
    learned to play from when I was a kid. I lost mine and
    really missed it. Where'd you get yours? " Ah, my dad made
    it us when he used to teach guitar." So Michael Gonzales
    path and mine crossed again."

    The circle continues: I read your comments about Taylor and
    so go to the web page and check out the guitars. As always
    curious about price, I go to the price list and check out
    the price list. There is a picture at the very top
    of....Michael Gonzales....at least I think it's Michael. So
    I go downstairs to get the Parker Spring magazine.

    Just about an hour ago I was cleaning the mail and putting
    it in various piles for my wife or my two daughters who now
    live away. One is the Parker-Spring magazine. I thumb
    through it and see a picture of the teachers who received
    grants and various scholarships to do what they wanted to
    do. I saw the picture of Michael but didn't ready any of the
    text around the picture.

    So I go get the magazine to see that I've spelled Michael's
    name correctly. Then I read the comments around his picture:

    ===================
    Michael Gonzales, Middle/Upper School

    At last year's Upper School Awards Ceremony, I was
    absolutely thrilled to receive the Mulliken endowment
    for Excellence in teaching. It was truly an honor to be
    recognized by my peers. The major purchase that I made
    toward my professional growth was a new guitar, a
    Taylor 714CD.

    It's one of the most beautiful guitars I've ever played in
    both appearance and tone. I bought the guitar at the b
    eginning of last summer and I've already done over 100 gigs
    with the insturment. Another nice surprise occured after I
    acquired the guitar. Seventh grader Kira Mires approached
    during the middle of the first semester and asked if I
    played Taylor guitars and If I'd be interested in being
    photographed for the upcoming Taylor Catalog. Her father
    Scott is principal at Mires Design for Brands and is in
    charge of the project. Photographers from Harrington Studios
    came to the school before Thanksgiving break and took
    several photos. Many of those pictures included Parker
    students and I'm happy to report that several of our photos
    made the final edit.
    =======================

    So if you go to: taylorguitars.com30th
    anniversary/ and click guitars and then pricelist, you'll
    see Michael, a proud Taylor Guitar owner and his 714CD
    probably with a bunch of his students behind him.

    My running seriously started in 1974. During that time I
    played with my brother for 2 years on Friday and Saturday
    nights at a place called the Ivy Barn here in San Diego.
    Jerry, my brother still plays professionally.

    You can see if he's playing in your neighborhood:
    starsonthewater.netdetails.htm

    From his weekly update:

    ===================

    Thursday night, April 15th is the anniversary of several
    things including taxes. Stars On The Water will be at Desi
    and Friends for the San Diego Parrot Head Club election
    night. We start around 7pm or whenever the voting is over.

    Thursday and Friday nights, Stars On The Water will be in
    Cedar Rapids Iowa for the Isle of Iowa Parrot Head Clubs 6th
    Island Phever Phlocking. Hopefully, Iowa will never be the
    same after we've been there.

    Thanks for all your support and I hope to see you somewhere
    along the way and soon - jer

    Next Week:

    Friday, April 23rd Stars On The Water at Campland from 7-
    10pm

    Saturday, April 24th San Diego Parrot Head Club Charity Fund
    Raiser and Anniversary Party at Campland On The Bay. Music
    all day long starting at 11AM until 10PM including Stars On
    The Water Visit www.sdphc.org for all the information

    ======================

    Anyway, I thank you for the off topic response and the
    journey down memory lane of my music days and the beginning
    of my running days/daze. I see why you LOVE the PS 15. When
    I win the Lotto in CA., know that a PS15 will arrive at your
    doorstep within one month of my collecting my purse.

    David, as we talked about before, many of the gems of
    rec.running remain hidden from those who don't know or can't
    take the time to see who the contributors are by hanging
    around long enough to follow some of the running
    thread...and some of the off topic writings.

    In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer -
    rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est.
    1975

  11. "Ozzie Gontang" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <snip very interesting story>

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, I thank you for the off topic response and the
    journey down memory lane of my music days and the
    beginning of my running days/daze. I see why you LOVE the
    PS 15. When I win the Lotto in CA., know that a PS15 will
    arrive at your doorstep within one month of my collecting
    my purse.

    That would be a day I'd remember forever! 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    David, as we talked about before, many of the gems of
    rec.running remain hidden from those who don't know or
    can't take the time to see who the contributors are by
    hanging around long enough to follow some of the running
    thread...and some of the off topic writings.

    I agree. A very interesting story you told... maybe we can
    get together for a jam session some day.

    cheers,
    --
    David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
    insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
    down constantly."

  12. [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the "To,"
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    In article <[email hidden]>,

    SwStudio said:

    "Ozzie Gontang" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message <snip very interesting story>

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, I thank you for the off topic response and the
    journey down memory lane of my music days and the
    beginning of my running days/daze. I see why you LOVE
    the PS 15. When I win the Lotto in CA., know that a PS15
    will arrive at your doorstep within one month of my
    collecting my purse.

    That would be a day I'd remember forever! 🙂

    That includes both of us!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    David, as we talked about before, many of the gems of
    rec.running remain hidden from those who don't know or
    can't take the time to see who the contributors are by
    hanging around long enough to follow some of the running
    thread...and some of the off topic writings.

    I agree. A very interesting story you told... maybe we can
    get together for a jam session some day.

    cheers,

    That would be wonderful. I need to start playing more.

    Ozzie

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