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  1. Hello all, tomorrow is a HUGE day in the history of Colorado mountain
    unicyclists everywhere... πŸ™‚

    Well, maybe I shouldn't have put that smiley up just yet, but basically,
    here is the scoop on ski resorts and their policies.

    So far, after doing muni demonstrations, me and my friends Zac and Mike
    have gotten to ride the gondola at Steamboat Springs resort, as well as
    (just recently) Keystone resort (Keystone has a nice little trials
    course at the bottom of the hill, makes the day well worth it.)

    However, we went up to Vail last week, and were completely rejected.
    They wouldn't let any unicyclists up, not even ones with hand brakes.
    We don't have handbrakes, but that has never stopped us before. It took
    some arguing, but Zac and I were finally able to meet in person with the
    CEO of Vail resorts, and we began hammering out the deal that might
    allow unicyclists to ride up the gondola there once and for all.
    Basically, he told us that for ANY progress to be made, we would have to
    come back before the resort opened to the public (8 a.m. tomorrow
    morning, wednesday the 21st.) We would have to do a full demonstration
    of A) our equipment, and B) our recommended safety gear. The bottom
    line is, we have to spend 3 or so hours determining in depth every
    aspect of safety and skill on the mountain that we can in order to
    convince Vail to allow unicyclists on their downhill trails. Obviously,
    we are both nervous as hell, although the actual muni shouldn't be that
    tough. Furthermore, we have to go down the expert trails separately
    from the beginner trails, so, it will probably be a fairly long day of
    riding. Hopefully, we will open this resort to those that come after
    us, so here's wishing the best, and wish us luck! We'll post the
    results of the day tomorrow, but we hope this will be a big step in
    gaining acceptance at mountains across colorado. By the way, if you
    want to hear about Keystone mountain, and the trails there, keep
    reading. If not, then quit while you still can!!!

    Keystone:

    Keystone has some really awesome downhill trails for many skill types.
    Zac and I went down the only way we knew how, the double-diamond black
    trails all the way! It was awesome, and quite difficult with manmade
    objects along the way that resembled the bridges from northshore videos
    I've seen. There were many 2-3ft drops on the trail, and some parts
    that could NEVER be ridden over, although hopping seemed to do the
    trick. It was cool to get through tough spots that bikers were walking
    over πŸ™‚ and overall it was a good size ride at about 5 or so miles. If
    anyone is looking for some real technical downhill, you should
    definitely check out keystone!

    That's all for now, more tomorrow, when I'll be too sore to stand!

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    cybeross - All Wheel Drive

    -Ross

    Listen to and review my music at: http://www.acipdlanet.com/aeros/
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  2. Good luck. And nice persistence... I can't think of any good reason a
    resort open to MTBs should be closed to munis. Given the speeds that
    some of those bikers descend, muni is far less insurance risk. It's
    closer to the speed of a rapid descent in hiking boots.

    We need to keep pushing, politely, those types of conversations forward.

    --
    tomblackwood - Registered Nurtz

    Tailgate at your own risk.....

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  3. good luck and thank you. πŸ˜„

    --
    mango - unity - as 1 stand together

    http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/albuv16

    "...I speculated that if we all got to know each other, one lawn mower
    would be enough for any neighborhood." -Keith Cash
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  4. Ross;

    Good luck, maybe you can get a consistent, and I hope favorable, policy
    out of these people. We tried Keystone last year and were rejected (we
    walked up and rode anyway - it was fun). As I told Zac, we were allowed
    to ride Beaver Creek last month. I am hoping to ride Vail this year too.
    I am out of town, or I'd offer to go with you and show them how an old
    guy ridesπŸ™‚

    --
    Jim_Rob - Old Man

    TTFN

    JR

    "Riding uphill on a unicycle sucks", Walt, Nationally-ranked singlespeed
    MTB racer
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  5. That is weird that they allow mountain bikes but not Munis, it seems
    that sometimes these decisions are made on the spur of the moment I'm
    sure they have nothing in the policy that says no unicycles. It's often
    the guy running the lift that thinks those thing are dangerous, I cant
    ride one, and so I'm not letting you ride it either, and on another day
    a different person might just say, ok, sure, why not.

    At Telluride Colorado anything goes on the gondola, mountain
    skateboards, paragliders, whatever you want to give it a go with. I
    think that their policy is based on if they say that mountain bikes are
    ok but then say that skateboards or unicycles aren't then they are
    saying it's safe to ride a mountain bike. They want you to know that
    it's all dangerous and whatever you are doing it's at your own risk.

    This may be different than other operations because the gondola is
    operated by the local transit district and it's free, if it were
    operated by the ski resort and they were charging for rides then they
    might have more liability, also the ski area is mostly on national
    forest property that is leased by the ski area.

    In the winter the ski company doesn't let us on the mountain which we
    have been trying to get them to allow, they let ski bikes on the
    mountain, on the gondola and all of the chair lifts, and they are way
    more dangerous, with no brakes and they can go as fast as a skier, so go
    figure.

    If you or anybody else makes it to Telluride contact me first and we
    will do some great downhill. We have some great riding here, on the ski
    mountain there are some great downhill trails. The local downhillers
    have built some great trail through the woods, very steep with banked
    hairpins and bridges and huge drops. (to big for me)

    Anyway good luck with the Vail corporation, I hope you get to muni on
    their mountain. πŸ™‚ Dan

    --
    Tellurider - Dan Wilson

    Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly
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  6. Liability is always an issue. They don't know what a unicycle is, so
    they are going to be conservative. I think the changes we are seeing now
    are based on the fact that we're not going away. We used to show up at
    Northstar or elsewhere, and they'd say sure, why not? How many unicycles
    can there be?

    But now they're realizing it's a growing activity, and it's time to
    start having policies to deal with mountain unicycles. We are legit!

    For the most part, I think that once resorts see what a unicycle can,
    and more importantly cannot do, they'll have no problem letting us ride
    down with the bikes and other coasting vehicles.

    Thanks to Cybeross and friends for helping make us more recognized!

    --
    johnfoss - Walkin' on the edge

    John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
    "jfoss" at "unicycling.com"
    www.unicycling.com

    "Beer me." -- Scot Cooper, at the end of a group ride all the way up and
    all the way down Mt. Diablo (3300'πŸ˜‰, a 20 mile round trip of road and
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  7. After what can only be called an excellent day of riding Vail Resorts
    delivered the news we were hoping not to hear. But this is far from
    over, Vail Ski Patrol Director Julie Rust seemed to be open to the idea
    of MUni after more resorts openly allow unicycles, which can ultimately
    be expected of a large resort such as Vail. I'll see what I can do about
    getting a statement from her so you can hear it straight from the
    source, but needless to say Vail knows that we're here and here to
    stay.

    If you want to hear about the ride keep reading...

    After making the nearly 2 hour trip after leaving at 6 a.m. Ross and I
    were ready to get into some good riding. Since the lift wasn't open yet
    they took us up in trucks and then observed as we rode down the "Main
    Trail." After a few minutes of talking to some of the staff that came
    down with us on the service road (both avid dowhillers) it was apparant
    that this trail was painfully easy for us (and a large majority of
    riders I'm sure). We then took the trucks to the summit where we
    proceeded down the most difficult DH trails Vail could throw at us. The
    descent can be described as very inconsistent with very technical and
    challenging stretches followed by stretches of the service road which
    would then meet up with another section of the challenging DH part.
    Overall the ride went very well, which made the bad news even more
    dissapointing. At least we still have Steamboat and Keystone for now,
    but more will surely follow.
    Hope all your riding is going well,
    Zac

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  8. thanks man. hope you win

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    dubmuni2004 - bike? where, i dont see one.

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