Joseba Beloki?

"Jiyang Chen" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bg6jfk [email hidden]:

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What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

Yes, but in Spanish, the b is pronounced as a v. So, phonetically it would be:

Ho-se-va

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Jiyang Chen said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

except that I believe he's Basque and that throws all the Spanish pronounciation rules right out the
window.....

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Originally posted by Fred Marx

BJiyang Chen said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

except that I believe he's Basque and that throws all the Spanish pronounciation rules right out the
window..... [/B]

With a couple of minor exceptions, Basque words are pronounced the same as if they were Spanish words even though the language itself is not at all the same. B and V are phonetically the same in Spanish - some places more like one than the other but always the same as each other. Joseba is ho-SAY-bah, actually a pretty common Basque name - do a google on it.

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With a couple of minor exceptions, Basque words are pronounced the same as if they were Spanish
words even though the language itself is not at all the same. B and V are phonetically the same in
Spanish - some places more like one than the other but always the same as each other. Joseba is
ho-SAY-bah, actually a pretty common Basque name - do a google on it.

I did not realize that, thanks 🙂 .

That's what I thought too, except Phil Liggett, Paul, Bob calls him Yo She ba...

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Fred Marx said:

Jiyang Chen said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

except that I believe he's Basque and that throws all the Spanish pronounciation rules right
out the window.....

With a couple of minor exceptions, Basque words are pronounced the same as if they were Spanish
words even though the language itself is not at all the same. B and V are phonetically the same in
Spanish - some places more like one than the other but always the same as each other. Joseba is
ho-SAY-bah, actually a pretty common Basque name - do a google on it.

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"Jiyang Chen" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:bg6jfk [email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

Yes, but in Spanish, the b is pronounced as a v. So, phonetically it would be:

Ho-se-va

'Cept Beloki is Basque ... And not "Spanish" per se ...

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Fred Marx said:

Jiyang Chen said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Not a pronunciation but the MS spell checker on "Joseba" returns "Nosebag" as the correct
spelling! <g>

Dashii

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Fred Marx said:

Jiyang Chen said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

except that I believe he's Basque and that throws all the Spanish pronounciation rules right
out the window...

With a couple of minor exceptions, Basque words are pronounced the same as if they were Spanish
words even though the language itself is not at all the same. B and V are phonetically the same in
Spanish - some places more like one than the other but always the same as each other. Joseba is
ho-SAY-bah, actually a pretty common Basque name - do a google on it.

You are right. In spanish there is not phonetic difference between B and V. In basque there is not
even syntactic V. But you are wrong about the pronounciation of Joseba, it it is not like spanish
Jose' + ba.

The name is pronounced (more or less):

Yo-sE-ba (like Yosemite but replace ba for mite, stress on the E).

The lastname is quite straightforward.

Be-lO-kii (stress on O).

Alex.

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What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

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By all certainty Joseba is not pronounced with a ho- in the beginning. That's the latinamerican
version of pronouncing a J.

You meant the Castillian Spanish way, right? ;-)

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In Spain it's pronounced like ch in the german "doch" (sorry don't know the english phonetic of
it). It sounds like when you clear your throat.

The pronounciation comes from his Basque origin.

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versions I have heard of his name are either Cho-se-ba or yo-se-ba, with the first example beeing
the most common. The b in the last syllible is pronounced like a b without closing your lips.

Then in English, phonetically his name will pronounce

Joseba ----> yo-SSeh-bah Beloki -----> beh-Loh-kee

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Fred Marx said:

Jiyang Chen said:

What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

except that I believe he's Basque and that throws all the Spanish pronounciation rules right
out the window...

With a couple of minor exceptions, Basque words are pronounced the same as if they were Spanish
words even though the language itself is not at all the same. B and V are phonetically the same in
Spanish - some places more like one than the other but always the same as each other. Joseba is
ho-SAY-bah, actually a pretty common Basque name - do a google on it.

You are right. In spanish there is not phonetic difference between B and V. In basque there is not
even syntactic V. But you are wrong about the pronounciation of Joseba, it it is not like spanish
Jose' + ba.

The name is pronounced (more or less):

Yo-sE-ba (like Yosemite but replace ba for mite, stress on the E).

The lastname is quite straightforward.

Be-lO-kii (stress on O).

Alex.

Here's a blurb from http://www.eirelink.com/alanking/collbq1c.htm (keep in mind that the references to English are from the Irish perspective and references to Spanish are from the castellano perspective):

"S and z are both 's' sounds, but differ: z is like an emphatic English 's' as in 'hiss', almost but not quite lisped; s is a 'mushier' sound, almost like English 'sh' but not quite.

"The letter j is pronounced differently in different parts of the Basque Country. In and around Gipuzkoa, it sounds like the ch in loch, i.e. like a throaty h sound. Another common pronunciation is similar to the y in yoyo. In a few words it always has the latter sound, e.g. Jon 'John'. The verb joan 'go' should be pronounced either 'hwan' or 'yo-an', although several other dialectal pronunciations of this common word exist. "

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What's the real pronunciation of his name?

Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?

etc....

I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.

Jiyang

By all certainty Joseba is not pronounced with a ho- in the beginning. That's the latinamerican
version of pronouncing a J. In Spain it's pronounced like ch in the german "doch" (sorry don't know
the english phonetic of it). It sounds like when you clear your throat. The versions I have heard of
his name are either Cho-se-ba or yo-se-ba, with the first example beeing the most common. The b in
the last syllible is pronounced like a b without closing your lips.

So do the French announcers.

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That's what I thought too, except Phil Liggett, Paul, Bob calls him Yo She ba...

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Fred Marx said:

Jiyang Chen wrote:
> What's the real pronunciation of his name?
>
> Ho-she-ba? Ho-se-ba? Yo-she-ba?
>
> etc....
>
> I would think it would be like Jose plus the "ba" in the end.
>
>
> Jiyang
>
>
except that I believe he's Basque and that throws all the Spanish pronounciation rules right
out the window.....

With a couple of minor exceptions, Basque words are pronounced the same as if they were Spanish
words even though the language itself is not at all the same. B and V are phonetically the same
in Spanish - some places more like one than the other but always the same as each other. Joseba
is ho-SAY-bah, actually a pretty common Basque name - do a google on it.

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That's what I thought too, except Phil Liggett, Paul, Bob calls him Yo She ba...

yo-say-ba

And Phil and Paul are absolute [censored] when it comes to pronouncing spanish names.

bob roll is pretty painfull as well,

i.e. how he pronounces Euskatel-Euskadi: Ew-ska-tel Es-kaid-i

it's Ew-ska-tel Es-kod-i (more or less)

Not only that, Phil insists on pronouncing the 'H' in Roberto Herras. This annoys my wife (a native
Spanish speaker) no end.

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That's what I thought too, except Phil Liggett, Paul, Bob calls him Yo She ba...

yo-say-ba

And Phil and Paul are absolute [censored] when it comes to pronouncing spanish names.

bob roll is pretty painfull as well,

i.e. how he pronounces Euskatel-Euskadi: Ew-ska-tel Es-kaid-i

it's Ew-ska-tel Es-kod-i (more or less)

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Not only that, Phil insists on pronouncing the 'H' in Roberto Herras. This annoys my wife (a
native Spanish speaker) no end.

Ask any english man to pronounce Livorno, Santander or La Coruña (Leghorn, Sant-ANN-der, Corunna)

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That's what I thought too, except Phil Liggett, Paul, Bob calls him Yo She ba...

yo-say-ba

And Phil and Paul are absolute [censored] when it comes to pronouncing spanish names.

bob roll is pretty painfull as well,

i.e. how he pronounces Euskatel-Euskadi: Ew-ska-tel Es-kaid-i

it's Ew-ska-tel Es-kod-i (more or less)