Jobst was Re: Sheldon

Fred Roses said:

I would like to reprint a brief thread from 2001 in which I commented on a Jobst post...

Cary Purdy wrote: My wife bought a Z3. It looks too low to put on a trailer hitch. It has a
convertible top - so no roof rack. It doesn't look to me like a bike rack will go on the trunk.
Does anyone have any experience with this?

To which Jobst humorously (??) replied: Yes, when my wife bought her Rolls we just decided to have
her footman follow with our GMC Yukon to carry the bicycles. He's a pretty good bike mechanic too,
so she won't have to worry about fixing flats. This was a cleaner solution and didn't mess with
her car.

About which I subsequently posted: Jobst, I think a guy with a Z3 is as entitled to a helpful
answer from this group as somebody with an old beetle. Maybe I'm just oversensitive, but I think
this attempt at humor pushes "curmudgeonliness" over the edge...

Your're right. You are overly sensitive...

Tim McNamara said:

Nope. This is about as uncontrolled a medium as exists anywhere.

I believe that is true. And I want free speech on any subject. BUT I try to not reply to anonymous
posters. If they are hiding who they are, I don't have time or respect for them. They feel like
snipers or something. If they are real, what are they afraid of? Best regards, Bernie

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To which Jobst humorously (??) replied: Yes, when my wife bought her Rolls we just decided to have
her footman follow with our GMC Yukon to carry the bicycles. He's a pretty good bike mechanic too,
so she won't have to worry about fixing flats. This was a cleaner solution and didn't mess with
her car.

Thanks for reposting that one, it was really funny, though not as funny as the guy with "big nuts",
that one had the whole family in stitches.

Fred Roses said:

I would like to reprint a brief thread from 2001 in which I commented on a Jobst post...

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Cary Purdy wrote: My wife bought a Z3. It looks too low to put on a trailer hitch. It has a
convertible top - so no roof rack. It doesn't look to me like a bike rack will go on the trunk.
Does anyone have any experience with this?

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To which Jobst humorously (??) replied: Yes, when my wife bought her Rolls we just decided to have
her footman follow with our GMC Yukon to carry the bicycles. He's a pretty good bike mechanic too,
so she won't have to worry about fixing flats. This was a cleaner solution and didn't mess with
her car.

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About which I subsequently posted: Jobst, I think a guy with a Z3 is as entitled to a helpful
answer from this group as somebody with an old beetle. Maybe I'm just oversensitive, but I think
this attempt at humor pushes "curmudgeonliness" over the edge...

Are you kidding? That was my favorite Jobst post of all time!

Art Harris

Harris said:

Fred Roses said:

I would like to reprint a brief thread from 2001 in which I commented on a Jobst post...

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Cary Purdy wrote: My wife bought a Z3. It looks too low to put on a trailer hitch. It has a
convertible top - so no roof rack. It doesn't look to me like a bike rack will go on the trunk.
Does anyone have any experience with this?

Quoted message said:

To which Jobst humorously (??) replied: Yes, when my wife bought her Rolls we just decided to
have her footman follow with our GMC Yukon to carry the bicycles. He's a pretty good bike
mechanic too, so she won't have to worry about fixing flats. This was a cleaner solution and
didn't mess with her car.

Quoted message said:

About which I subsequently posted: Jobst, I think a guy with a Z3 is as entitled to a helpful
answer from this group as somebody with an old beetle. Maybe I'm just oversensitive, but I think
this attempt at humor pushes "curmudgeonliness" over the edge...

Are you kidding? That was my favorite Jobst post of all time!

Art Harris

Yes, he can be a very witty fellow. Ah, if only he added the word "Humor" to the title of his reply
-- the Google database has way too many entries from him to ferret out those gems.

Anthony Leverock

Ryan Cousineau said:

More to the point, I'd much rather have Jobst, warts and all, as a contributor to the newsgroup
than I would have no Jobst,

Now we're going to sound like the man's fan club, but the hell with it. "On Usenet you can be snotty
or wrong"; he's entitled to be snotty, and frankly I'll take snotty clueful guys over nice polite
clueless guys any day of the week. I've learned as much from his posts as from anyone's except
Sheldon - and Mr. Brown is paid to answer stupid questions all day, I believe...
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!

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Ryan Cousineau said:

More to the point, I'd much rather have Jobst, warts and all, as a contributor to the newsgroup
than I would have no Jobst,

Now we're going to sound like the man's fan club, but the hell with it. "On Usenet you can be
snotty or wrong"; he's entitled to be snotty, and frankly I'll take snotty clueful guys over nice
polite clueless guys any day of the week. I've learned as much from his posts as from anyone's
except Sheldon - and Mr. Brown is paid to answer stupid questions all day, I believe...

Well, not _our_ stupid questions.

I daresay that both Jobst and Sheldon have benefitted from some business (Jobst for his book,
Sheldon for Harris Cyclery) from their postings here, but not nearly enough to justify the time they
put in. This is their hobby.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan Cousineau said:

David Damerell said:

except Sheldon - and Mr. Brown is paid to answer stupid questions all day, I believe...

I daresay that both Jobst and Sheldon have benefitted from some business (Jobst for his book,
Sheldon for Harris Cyclery)

Sheldon works for Harris Cyclery, he doesn't own it (as I understand it) - and my reading of the
Rivendell Reader interview is that Sheldon's Internet presence is part of his duties, as a PR thing
for the bike shop. But this could be a total lie - I don't suppose the horse's mouth would care to
comment? :-)
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

Bernie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tim McNamara said:

Nope. This is about as uncontrolled a medium as exists anywhere.

I believe that is true. And I want free speech on any subject. BUT I try to not reply to anonymous
posters. If they are hiding who they are, I don't have time or respect for them. They feel like
snipers or something.

Except for one small detail - everyone knows I'm posting under a
pseudonym. But somebody named "Bernie?" Who knows?

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If they are real, what are they afraid of? Best regards, Bernie

Well, I got a story for you:

Once, back when I used my real name, I got into a heated discussion in USENET about cars, of all
things. Nothing such that there was namecalling or flaming, but just your basic disagreement.

Soon after, I started getting harrassing calls in the wee hours, signed up for child [censored], and false
complaints to my boss about my Internet habits.

After a few months of sorting out, talking to police and the like, and expense to have my phone
number changed, I made the decision to become anonymous in USENET. I let the contents of my posts
speak for themselves.

There are real reasons for not giving a real name. And cowardice has nothing to do with it.

Got anything else, "Bernie?"

Spider

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Tim McNamara said:

Nope. This is about as uncontrolled a medium as exists anywhere.

I believe that is true. And I want free speech on any subject. BUT

I

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try to not reply to anonymous posters. If they are hiding who they

are,

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I don't have time or respect for them. They feel like snipers or something.

Except for one small detail - everyone knows I'm posting under a
pseudonym. But somebody named "Bernie?" Who knows?

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If they are real, what are they afraid of? Best regards, Bernie

Well, I got a story for you:

Once, back when I used my real name, I got into a heated discussion in USENET about cars, of all
things. Nothing such that there was namecalling or flaming, but just your basic disagreement.

Soon after, I started getting harrassing calls in the wee hours, signed up for child [censored], and
false complaints to my boss about my Internet habits.

After a few months of sorting out, talking to police and the like, and expense to have my phone
number changed, I made the decision to become anonymous in USENET. I let the contents of my posts
speak for themselves.

There are real reasons for not giving a real name. And cowardice has nothing to do with it.

Got anything else, "Bernie?"

Just out of curiosity, how do you know the harassment came from the Usenet guy? Did you track
him/her down? -- Jay Beattie.

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Tim McNamara wrote:

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> Nope. This is about as uncontrolled a medium as exists anywhere.

I believe that is true. And I want free speech on any subject. BUT

I

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try to not reply to anonymous posters. If they are hiding who they

are,

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I don't have time or respect for them. They feel like snipers or something.

Except for one small detail - everyone knows I'm posting under a
pseudonym. But somebody named "Bernie?" Who knows?

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If they are real, what are they afraid of? Best regards, Bernie

Well, I got a story for you:

Once, back when I used my real name, I got into a heated discussion in USENET about cars, of all
things. Nothing such that there was namecalling or flaming, but just your basic disagreement.

Soon after, I started getting harrassing calls in the wee hours, signed up for child [censored], and
false complaints to my boss about my Internet habits.

After a few months of sorting out, talking to police and the like, and expense to have my phone
number changed, I made the decision to become anonymous in USENET. I let the contents of my
posts speak for themselves.

There are real reasons for not giving a real name. And cowardice has nothing to do with it.

Got anything else, "Bernie?"

Just out of curiosity, how do you know the harassment came from the Usenet guy? Did you track
him/her down? -- Jay Beattie.

Well, I don't specifically know, exactly. But the header info from the posts matches what the police
said about where the calls were coming from, and I don't know anybody there, so - I guess it's a
kind of "connect-the-dots" reasoning. It seemed too convenient to be random.

The police tracked the guy down from the calls he made to my employer. AFAIK, my employer took care
of pressing charges and all that. I didn't have to lift a finger. It helps when the Big Boss is a
good friend, I guess.

Spider

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Tim McNamara said:

Nope. This is about as uncontrolled a medium as exists anywhere.

I believe that is true. And I want free speech on any subject. BUT I try to not reply to
anonymous posters. If they are hiding who they are, I don't have time or respect for them. They
feel like snipers or something.

Except for one small detail - everyone knows I'm posting under a
pseudonym. But somebody named "Bernie?" Who knows?

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If they are real, what are they afraid of? Best regards, Bernie

Well, I got a story for you:

Once, back when I used my real name, I got into a heated discussion in USENET about cars, of all
things. Nothing such that there was namecalling or flaming, but just your basic disagreement.

Soon after, I started getting harrassing calls in the wee hours, signed up for child [censored], and
false complaints to my boss about my Internet habits.

After a few months of sorting out, talking to police and the like, and expense to have my phone
number changed, I made the decision to become anonymous in USENET. I let the contents of my posts
speak for themselves.

There are real reasons for not giving a real name. And cowardice has nothing to do with it.

Got anything else, "Bernie?"

Spider

That's a fair enough reply. I'll try to stay unscathed, and remain who I am! Sounds like you met a
vicious s.o.b. Best regards, Bernie

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Harris said:

Fred Roses said:

I would like to reprint a brief thread from 2001 in which I commented on a Jobst post...

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Cary Purdy wrote: My wife bought a Z3. It looks too low to put on a trailer hitch. It has a
convertible top - so no roof rack. It doesn't look to me like a bike rack will go on the trunk.
Does anyone have any experience with this?

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To which Jobst humorously (??) replied: Yes, when my wife bought her Rolls we just decided to
have her footman follow with our GMC Yukon to carry the bicycles. He's a pretty good bike
mechanic too, so she won't have to worry about fixing flats. This was a cleaner solution and
didn't mess with her car.

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About which I subsequently posted: Jobst, I think a guy with a Z3 is as entitled to a helpful
answer from this group as somebody with an old beetle. Maybe I'm just oversensitive, but I
think this attempt at humor pushes "curmudgeonliness" over the edge...

Are you kidding? That was my favorite Jobst post of all time!

Art Harris

Yes, he can be a very witty fellow. Ah, if only he added the word "Humor" to the title of his
reply -- the Google database has way too many entries from him to ferret out those gems.

Anthony Leverock

Would it be possible to rehear the one about "big nuts"?

My major criticism of him is that he often goes off on people (myself included) when he hasn't under
stood what they were saying.

Another time he indirectly accused me of lying about having read his book because he disagreed w/
something I said. Which is pretty funny, because at one time or another I've owned each of the 3
editions. When I read the 1st edition shortly after it came out, I finally realized why all wheels I
have trued since the late 50's would never stay true. It never occurred to me, that making them w/
even tension & as high ten. as possible & stress relief had anything to do with it. I thought all
bicycle wheels went out of true, or else it was just a very lucky wheel. I doubt that more that 20
pages are not highlighted or annotated in my current edition (3rd).

Finally I believe that his opinions slow progress w/ his extremely retro ideas. Such as damning Al
alloy & bladed spoke. I've owned & seen numerous bladed spoked wheels that were not twisted, both Fe
& Al. Surely if Al spokes are as bad as he claims Mavic would be out of business from all the
lawsuits from injuries caused by wheel failures. I'd wager that pundits said the same things when Al
rims replaced wood. In 20 -30 yrs probably all spokes will be Al, except K Mart bikes.

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Well, I got a story for you:

Once, back when I used my real name, I got into a heated discussion in USENET about cars, of all
things. Nothing such that there was namecalling or flaming, but just your basic disagreement.

Soon after, I started getting harrassing calls in the wee hours, signed up for child [censored], and
false complaints to my boss about my Internet habits.

Curiously, I had the same thing happen here, though mine was limited to the [censored] sites.

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After a few months of sorting out, talking to police and the like, and expense to have my phone
number changed, I made the decision to become anonymous in USENET. I let the contents of my
posts speak for themselves.

There are real reasons for not giving a real name. And cowardice has nothing to do with it.

--
Robin Hubert <[email hidden]

Bernie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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That's a fair enough reply. I'll try to stay unscathed, and remain who I am! Sounds like you met a
vicious s.o.b.

I would have to agree. There are waaaaay to many whackjobs out there, and I do not intend to become
a victim of someone who does not like my opinion on some stupid thing or another.

If folks don't like that approach, well, it's USENET, and they can take or leave any approach. It's
no skin off my carapace.

Spider