Jersey terror

Doki <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

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I've just noticed that my jersey absolutely *stinks*.

You haven't said what it smells *of* - that's important.

A smell of mildew means the garment's been stored wet at some time.
It's really hard to get rid of, but try Oxy-clean from your supermarket.

A smell of old dishcloths means it's not the jersey at all - you need to
wash your helmut padding and/or your backpack. The smell won't come
back too quickly now it's winter.

Rancid hop oil or coffee grounds? Curry? If your body sweats these
flavours out instead of breaking them down, your sports kit will always
smell of them - unless you give up the offending food.

Monkey's armpit (like you smell when you've been cycling and haven't
washed for two days)? Wash the garment as normal and yourself more
often.

Other? Please specify.

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Sue White said:

Doki <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

Quoted message said:

I've just noticed that my jersey absolutely *stinks*.

You haven't said what it smells *of* - that's important.

A smell of mildew means the garment's been stored wet at some time.
It's really hard to get rid of, but try Oxy-clean from your
supermarket.

A smell of old dishcloths means it's not the jersey at all - you need
to wash your helmut padding and/or your backpack. The smell won't
come back too quickly now it's winter.

Rancid hop oil or coffee grounds? Curry? If your body sweats these
flavours out instead of breaking them down, your sports kit will
always smell of them - unless you give up the offending food.

Monkey's armpit (like you smell when you've been cycling and haven't
washed for two days)? Wash the garment as normal and yourself more
often.

Other? Please specify.

God knows what it smelled of, but it was bad. My armpits didn't smell at
all, but the jersey stank. I had a think about it, and realised that whilst
the jerseys' been washed often, I've put off washing my jacket and wonder if
the smell bacteria migrated from that, so it's going in the washer. Anyone
know if Pertex goes [censored] after washing?

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:16:37 +0100, "Doki" <[email hidden]>
wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Sue White said:

Doki <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

Quoted message said:

I've just noticed that my jersey absolutely *stinks*.

You haven't said what it smells *of* - that's important.

A smell of mildew means the garment's been stored wet at some time.
It's really hard to get rid of, but try Oxy-clean from your
supermarket.

A smell of old dishcloths means it's not the jersey at all - you need
to wash your helmut padding and/or your backpack. The smell won't
come back too quickly now it's winter.

Rancid hop oil or coffee grounds? Curry? If your body sweats these
flavours out instead of breaking them down, your sports kit will
always smell of them - unless you give up the offending food.

Monkey's armpit (like you smell when you've been cycling and haven't
washed for two days)? Wash the garment as normal and yourself more
often.

Other? Please specify.

God knows what it smelled of, but it was bad. My armpits didn't smell at
all, but the jersey stank. I had a think about it, and realised that whilst
the jerseys' been washed often, I've put off washing my jacket and wonder if
the smell bacteria migrated from that, so it's going in the washer. Anyone
know if Pertex goes [censored] after washing?

Is Pertex a rubber-like coating like Isotex is? If so, avoid any
washing powders that work even partially by 'sandblasting'. I know
dishwasher powders work that way, but I've no idea if washing-up
powders do. So I just put my Isotex waterproof in a delicates wash
cycle with no powder when it was getting a bit to
smells-of-stale-sweat-y.
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in message <[email hidden]>, Doki

(') said:

God knows what it smelled of, but it was bad. My armpits didn't smell
at all, but the jersey stank. I had a think about it, and realised
that whilst the jerseys' been washed often, I've put off washing my
jacket and wonder if the smell bacteria migrated from that, so it's
going in the washer. Anyone know if Pertex goes [censored] after washing?

Warm water and soapflakes (e.g. Lux), no detergent. Best to hand wash.

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in message <[email hidden]>, Gawnsoft

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Is Pertex a rubber-like coating like Isotex is?

No. Pertex is a very densely woven nylon fabric, so tightly woven that
there is not, in theory, room for water molecules to pass through the
weave. So it's a bit like goretex except only one layer. As with any of
these things it's vulnerable to solutions which crystalise as they dry,
because they will force the holes open.

So use pure soap, not detergent, only.

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patiently for the RAC to arrive.

Simon Brooke said:

No. Pertex is a very densely woven nylon fabric, so tightly woven that
there is not, in theory, room for water molecules to pass through the
weave.

I don't believe the weave is anywhere near that dense. I think you are
several orders of magnitude wrong here.

James
--
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by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

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Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

No. Pertex is a very densely woven nylon fabric, so tightly woven that
there is not, in theory, room for water molecules to pass through the
weave.

I don't believe the weave is anywhere near that dense. I think you are
several orders of magnitude wrong here.

Not necessarily. There is more than one type of Pertex branded
fabric, eg: pertex classic, pertex microlight etc. The type you
are familiar with might be completely different from the type
Simon is familiar with.

Juliette
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Juliette said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Simon Brooke said:

No. Pertex is a very densely woven nylon fabric, so tightly woven that
there is not, in theory, room for water molecules to pass through the
weave.

I don't believe the weave is anywhere near that dense. I think you are
several orders of magnitude wrong here.

Not necessarily.

Yes, necessarily. Like I said, he's out by many orders of magnitude,
it's not even close.

James
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by treading on the toes of giants.
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:40:40 GMT, Juliette <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe the weave is anywhere near that dense. I think you are
several orders of magnitude wrong here.

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Not necessarily.

From my recollection, a water molecule is of the order of at most a
couple of Ångstroms radius, or a few ten-thousandths of the wavelength
of light. That is one seriously close weave :-)

Guy
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Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

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in message <[email hidden]>, Gawnsoft

(') said:

Is Pertex a rubber-like coating like Isotex is?

No. Pertex is a very densely woven nylon fabric, so tightly woven that
there is not, in theory, room for water molecules to pass through the
weave. So it's a bit like goretex except only one layer. As with any of
these things it's vulnerable to solutions which crystalise as they dry,
because they will force the holes open.

I had a Pertex top which was fluo yellow synthetic with a white membrane
layer on the inside. It worked well (no shoulder seams) but eventually
the membrane broke up and peeled off.
I'd had my money's worth and would've bought another like it.

Try Nikwax Techwash, and do all your waterproofs together.

--
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What goes down must come up again - Confucius' Law of Mountain Biking

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Juliette said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

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Simon Brooke wrote:

>No. Pertex is a very densely woven nylon fabric, so tightly woven that
>there is not, in theory, room for water molecules to pass through the
>weave.

I don't believe the weave is anywhere near that dense. I think you are
several orders of magnitude wrong here.

Not necessarily.

Yes, necessarily. Like I said, he's out by many orders of magnitude, it's
not even close.

James
--
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by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

You're right, James - the most you can claim for it is that the weave is so
close that it inhibits wicking, surface tension and other osmotic effects.

IIRC there used to be a cotton fabric (Ventile?) which claimed waterproof
breathability without surface treatments or membranes because when initially
wetted the fibres swelled and effectively blocked further water
transmission.

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IIRC there used to be a cotton fabric (Ventile?) which claimed waterproof
breathability without surface treatments or membranes because when initially
wetted the fibres swelled and effectively blocked further water
transmission.

Still is around. See
http://www.coolantarctica.com/Shop/antarctica-clothing/ventile-clothing.htm

The only real criticism I've heard of Ventile is that it's heavy compared to
modern fabrics.

Cheers, helen s

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In article said:

Quoted message said:

IIRC there used to be a cotton fabric (Ventile?) which claimed waterproof
breathability without surface treatments or membranes because when initially
wetted the fibres swelled and effectively blocked further water
transmission.

Still is around. See
http://www.coolantarctica.com/Shop/antarctica-clothing/ventile-clothing.htm

The only real criticism I've heard of Ventile is that it's heavy compared to
modern fabrics.

Cheers, helen s

Ventile is like 'cotton duck' but thinner and a lot less abrasive. It's very
comfortable next to bare skin.

"Outdoor" suppliers make two layer Ventile garments for absolute
waterproofnes, and that would be rather heavy, but I had a single
layer Ventile 'racing cape' from Bean Bag. I never had any problem
with it leaking during long (23 miles each way) winter commutes.
It was lighter than my standard (two layer plus mesh) Freestyle
Goretex winter cycling jacket, more comfortable and quieter.

I don't know of anyone who makes it in a modern cyclists' cut -
Bean Bag went out of business about 10 years ago.

If anyone knows of a cycling specialist making Ventile racing capes, please
let me/us know.

--
Jan

Jan Wysocki said:

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Bean Bag went out of business about 10 years ago.

Ah. Guess my second best lycra shorts aren't quite as new as I imagined
then. :-(

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In article said:

In article said:

Quoted message said:

IIRC there used to be a cotton fabric (Ventile?) which claimed waterproof
breathability without surface treatments or membranes because when initially
wetted the fibres swelled and effectively blocked further water
transmission.

Still is around. See
http://www.coolantarctica.com/Shop/antarctica-clothing/ventile-clothing.htm

The only real criticism I've heard of Ventile is that it's heavy compared to
modern fabrics.

Cheers, helen s

Ventile is like 'cotton duck' but thinner and a lot less abrasive. It's very
comfortable next to bare skin.

"Outdoor" suppliers make two layer Ventile garments for absolute
waterproofnes, and that would be rather heavy, but I had a single
layer Ventile 'racing cape' from Bean Bag. I never had any problem
with it leaking during long (23 miles each way) winter commutes.
It was lighter than my standard (two layer plus mesh) Freestyle
Goretex winter cycling jacket, more comfortable and quieter.

I don't know of anyone who makes it in a modern cyclists' cut -
Bean Bag went out of business about 10 years ago.

If anyone knows of a cycling specialist making Ventile racing capes, please
let me/us know.

Uh Oh! Answering my own question, having just found:
http://www.slioch.co.uk/page20.html Slioch Ventile Top

It's not exactly what I want, since it has a fleece lining, but it
looks promising and ahem, expensive.

Is/was Greenspot ventile?

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