Jeanson vs. Samplonius title fight!

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In Velonews letters to the editor, Anne S. slams GJ and
USADA for her weak punishment following her skipped dope
test. I got curious, went to the USOC website
(www.usoc.com) and browsed the USADA news for other
suspensions due to skipped dope tests. I found two
swimmers, a sailor (?) and a mtn. biker who skipped their
tests and got TWO YEARS. All four immediately retired. One
road cyclist didn't know enough to check for randoms after
elite natz where he got 38th or something, and apologized
and got a 3 month suspension.

So, what gives? GJ gets special treatment for being a
star? It just doesn't seem right. She should at least get
the minimum that the dude from FL got for his honest
mistake. But, as Anne so eloquently points out in her
letter, USADA doesn't always hand out suspensions in a
consistent manner...

Easy now, Jeanson is still (one) of the biggest hope and
brightest stars to keep women's cycling exciting for North
American. I am up for a one time forgiveness, as I also gave
Luperini the benifit of the doubt with her drug fiasco. :-)
Personally from what I have heard from sources close to her,
she does not and would not use drugs.

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In Velonews letters to the editor, Anne S. slams GJ and
USADA for her weak punishment following her skipped dope
test. I got curious, went to the USOC website
(www.usoc.com) and browsed the USADA news for other
suspensions due to skipped dope tests. I found two
swimmers, a sailor (?) and a mtn. biker who skipped
their tests and got TWO YEARS. All four immediately
retired. One road cyclist didn't know enough to check
for randoms after elite natz where he got 38th or
something, and apologized and got a 3 month suspension.

So, what gives? GJ gets special treatment for being a
star? It just doesn't seem right. She should at least
get the minimum that the dude from FL got for his honest
mistake. But, as Anne so eloquently points out in her
letter, USADA doesn't always hand out suspensions in a
consistent manner...

Easy now, Jeanson is still (one) of the biggest hope and
brightest stars

to

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keep women's cycling exciting for North American. I am up
for a one time forgiveness, as I also gave Luperini the
benifit of the doubt with her

drug

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fiasco. :-) Personally from what I have heard from sources
close to her,

she

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does not and would not use drugs.

Give me an effin break, doesn't matter if she would or
wouldn't, she missed a dope test , that is considered a
positive in the rules, she should be dealt with just as if
it is a positive test. Dave

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Personally from what I have heard from sources close to
her, she does not and would not use drugs.

That 'close to her' source wouldn't be the doctor that got
busted for passing out dope and then said he was just
kidding about that admission of guilt stuff, was it?

Just curious,

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Personally from what I have heard from sources close to
her, she does not and would not use drugs.

That 'close to her' source wouldn't be the doctor that got
busted for passing out dope and then said he was just
kidding about that admission of guilt stuff, was it?

You and Davey provide excellent humor for the group!

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Just curious,

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In Velonews letters to the editor, Anne S. slams GJ
and USADA for her weak punishment following her
skipped dope test. I got curious, went

to

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the USOC website (www.usoc.com) and browsed the USADA
news for other suspensions due to skipped dope tests.
I found two swimmers, a sailor (?) and a mtn. biker
who skipped their tests and got TWO YEARS. All

four

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immediately retired. One road cyclist didn't know
enough to check for randoms after elite natz where he
got 38th or something, and

apologized

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and got a 3 month suspension.

So, what gives? GJ gets special treatment for being a
star? It just doesn't seem right. She should at least
get the minimum that the dude from FL got for his
honest mistake. But, as Anne so eloquently points out
in her letter, USADA doesn't always hand out
suspensions in a consistent manner...

Easy now, Jeanson is still (one) of the biggest hope and
brightest stars

to

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keep women's cycling exciting for North American. I am
up for a one time forgiveness, as I also gave Luperini
the benifit of the doubt with her

drug

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fiasco. :-) Personally from what I have heard from
sources close to her,

she

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does not and would not use drugs.

Give me an effin break, doesn't matter if she would or
wouldn't, she

missed

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a dope test , that is considered a positive in the rules,
she should be dealt with just as if it is a positive
test. Dave

Looks like a one time forgiveness too on their part. Yes,
looks like special treatment. Gee, I wonder why?

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Easy now, Jeanson is still (one) of the biggest hope
and brightest stars to keep women's cycling exciting
for North American. I am up for a one time
forgiveness, as I also gave Luperini the benifit of
the doubt with her drug fiasco. :-) Personally from
what I have heard from sources close to her, she does
not and would not use drugs.

Give me an effin break, doesn't matter if she would or
wouldn't, she missed a dope test , that is considered a
positive in the rules, she should be dealt with just as
if it is a positive test. Dave

Looks like a one time forgiveness too on their part. Yes,
looks like special treatment. Gee, I wonder why?

So what exactly is your point with the "Gee, I wonder
why?" And why does she need a "one-time forgiveness"?
Yeah, GJ is a very good racer, exciting and all that. So
what? Rules are rules, and (whether she meant to or not)
she broke 'em. The reason there should be completely even-
handed dispension of punishment for rules violation is so
other riders will feel confident that if they are caught
breaking the rules, they will be treated the same. If one
person gets a "Get out of jail free" card, every other
rider will want one, too. And why shouldn't they get one?
Are the officials supposed to tell someone else that they
aren't a big enough hope or bright enough star to get a
slap on the wrist.

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tanx, Howard

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You and Davey provide excellent humor for the group!

I might be willing to cut her some slack if I had a thing
for chicks that looked like teenage boys, but I don't. Maybe
someone at the USADA does though. I can't see any legitimate
reason for them to do this.

This reminds me of the old Steve Martin skit, 'How to make a
million dollars and not pay any taxes.' Remember the
punchlines?

"I FORGOT!!!"

"WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!"

Funny [censored]. A zillion dope tests and the only one who skips
is the one with a doctor that gets busted for passing out
dope. Funny [censored].

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stars

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> to keep women's cycling exciting for North American.
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one

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> her drug fiasco. :-) Personally from what I have
> heard from sources close to her, she does not and
> would not use drugs.

Give me an effin break, doesn't matter if she would or
wouldn't, she missed a dope test , that is considered
a positive in the rules, she should be dealt with just
as if it is a positive test. Dave

Looks like a one time forgiveness too on their part.
Yes, looks like

special

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treatment. Gee, I wonder why?

So what exactly is your point with the "Gee, I wonder
why?"

I don't have a point Howie, but I think I know why.

And why does

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she need a "one-time forgiveness"?

She doesn't but she got it.

Yeah, GJ is a very good racer, exciting

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and all that. So what?

Armstrong is great too, so what? GJ is one of the best women
so you can speculate on why she got a break. I have my own
opinion on why.

Rules are rules, and (whether she meant to or not)

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she broke 'em. The reason there should be completely
even-handed

dispension

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of punishment for rules violation is so other riders will
feel confident that if they are caught breaking the rules,
they will be treated the same.

Agreed.

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If one person gets a "Get out of jail free" card, every
other rider will want one, too. And why shouldn't they
get one?

It's not always fair, but it should be.

Are the officials supposed

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to tell someone else that they aren't a big enough hope or
bright enough star to get a slap on the wrist.

Sometimes stars get breaks that those with less talent or
notability do not. I won't debate you on what is fair for
one should be fair for all. I am not the one who let her off
the hook, but as a fan I forgive her (once). Fool me once,
shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Personally as a
fan, on the second offense I would lose faith in the rider.
As for the first offense, if it's not proven absolutely like
in Luperini's case, then I can forgive that once since drugs
scandels are always coming and going. As a fan, I'm not
interested in drug scandels for the most part. I just enjoy
racing. I wouldn't want to know who everyone was who are
taking drugs, I might lose interest in the sport. I'll don't
think the sport should be over regulated either .

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You and Davey provide excellent humor for the group!

I might be willing to cut her some slack if I had a thing
for chicks that looked like teenage boys, but I don't.

She does?

Maybe

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someone at the USADA does though. I can't see any
legitimate reason for them to do this.

This reminds me of the old Steve Martin skit, 'How to make
a million dollars and not pay any taxes.' Remember the
punchlines?

"I FORGOT!!!"

"WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!"

Funny [censored]. A zillion dope tests and the only one who
skips is the one with a doctor that gets busted for
passing out dope. Funny [censored].

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

No doubt she was lucky this time. Personally I am glad she
is still in the running, but if it happens again, I will
lose faith in the so called chick that looks like a
teenage boy.

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"I FORGOT!!!"

"WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!"

Funny [censored].... Funny [censored].

Indeed. I'll bet Lafferty is an expert on the stupidity
defense, maybe he can weigh in. It worked for Reagan and
Lay, why not GJ?

Of course she gets special treatment for being a star.

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"I FORGOT!!!"

"WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!"

Funny [censored].... Funny [censored].

Indeed. I'll bet Lafferty is an expert on the stupidity
defense, maybe he

can weigh in. It worked

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for Reagan and Lay, why not GJ?

Of course she gets special treatment for being a star.

The stupidity defense was actually used by an attorney
charged criminally with tax fraud. The attorney testified in
his own behalf at trial that IRS regulations were so complex
that even he, a trained non-tax attorney, could not
understand them to the point where he could not form a
criminal intent to commit fraud. IIRC, he referred to it as
the Stupidity Defense in his summation to the jury. The jury
verdict was not guilty. I think the trial took place in the
DC District.

In retrospect, one could argue that Reagan's was not the
stupidity defense, but the early Altzheimer's onset defense.

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BSierraman said:

You and Davey provide excellent humor for the group!

I might be willing to cut her some slack if I had a thing
for chicks that looked like teenage boys, but I don't. Maybe
someone at the USADA does though. I can't see any legitimate
reason for them to do this.

This reminds me of the old Steve Martin skit, 'How to make a
million dollars and not pay any taxes.' Remember the
punchlines?

"I FORGOT!!!"

"WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!"

Funny [censored]. A zillion dope tests and the only one who skips
is the one with a doctor that gets busted for passing out
dope. Funny [censored].

Bob Schwartz [email hidden] [/B]

Now now, let's keep this on topic - there's no need to bust on GJ because of the way she looks. I understand USADA's ruling somewhat because she was tested that morning - but what better time to take dope than right after a dope test? I mean, what are the chances that you'll have to have another test right away?
USADA needs to be able to use their judgement and not apply an automatic 2-year suspension to everyone that commits a foul, but in this case, I think there is precedent for at least a minimal suspension. Showing up and peeing in the cup is part of an athlete's duty. It's embarrassing, it's time consuming, and it's kind of gross, but you just have to do it and not whine.

You know, what this does is put the ball in the Canadian's
court regarding Jeanson's participation in Athens. Maybe
that's what is going on. Maybe they weren't willing to
[censored] another country's star rider for the Olympics.

The CCA can (and IMHO should) take appropriate action on
this. But there is no easy way out like if the USADA had
done it for them.

I'm grasping at straws here, I know that. But that's the
best straw I can come up with for blowing off the rules.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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You know, what this does is put the ball in the Canadian's
court regarding Jeanson's participation in Athens. Maybe
that's what is going on. Maybe they weren't willing to
[censored] another country's star rider for the Olympics.

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The CCA can (and IMHO should) take appropriate action on
this. But there is no easy way out like if the USADA had
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I'm grasping at straws here, I know that. But that's the
best straw I can come up with for blowing off the rules.

That is an interesting theory. I was wondering why they
would cut GJ slack since she isn't "their" rider. It's not
like the Neben case where one can allege favoritism based on
national squad, getting the rider on the Olympic team, or
other such motives.

My theory is that GJ is so used to winning she didn't
realize that you can get randomed and called for a post-
race test even if you finish 38th or so. (Before anyone
flames me, that's a joke - even winners are supposed to
know the rules.)

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> "I FORGOT!!!"
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> "WELL EXCUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!!!!!!"
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> Funny [censored].... Funny [censored].

Indeed. I'll bet Lafferty is an expert on the stupidity
defense, maybe he

can weigh in. It worked

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for Reagan and Lay, why not GJ?

Of course she gets special treatment for being a star.

The stupidity defense was actually used by an attorney
charged criminally with tax fraud. The attorney testified
in his own behalf at trial that IRS regulations were so
complex that even he, a trained non-tax attorney, could
not understand them to the point where he could not form a
criminal intent to commit fraud. IIRC, he referred to it
as the Stupidity Defense in his summation to the jury. The
jury verdict was not guilty. I think the trial took place
in the DC District.

Amusing story, thanks. I wish you would have told me before
I paid my taxes. Given that, maybe BS is right, you really
are an [censored]. ;-)

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In retrospect, one could argue that Reagan's was not the
stupidity defense, but the early Altzheimer's onset
defense.

The poor guy.

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stupidity defense,

maybe he

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can weigh in. It worked

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for Reagan and Lay, why not GJ?

Of course she gets special treatment for being a star.

The stupidity defense was actually used by an attorney
charged

criminally

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with tax fraud. The attorney testified in his own behalf
at trial that

IRS

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regulations were so complex that even he, a trained non-
tax attorney,

could

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not understand them to the point where he could not form
a criminal

intent

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to commit fraud. IIRC, he referred to it as the
Stupidity Defense in

his

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summation to the jury. The jury verdict was not guilty.
I think the

trial

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took place in the DC District.

Amusing story, thanks. I wish you would have told me
before I paid my

taxes. Given that, maybe BS

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is right, you really are an [censored]. ;-)

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In retrospect, one could argue that Reagan's was not the
stupidity

defense,

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but the early Altzheimer's onset defense.

The poor guy.

The poor(er) country.

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My theory is that GJ is so used to winning she didn't
realize that you can get randomed and called for a post-
race test even if you finish 38th or so. (Before anyone
flames me, that's a joke - even winners are supposed to
know the rules.)

mmmm

how many uci or national elite level events has she
participated in??? probably more then 20. if not more then
30 (national championship events are also supposed to be run
under UCI regs)

so, the burden of knowledge for random testing is not a
surprise here. If she had never been to an elite event
(where random testing is required or at the very least, is
common) I might be even inclined to give her a partial pass,
but her lack of attendance is un-excusable.

Also, I would venture a guess that she has been called for
random testing even when she was not on the podium. Given
the number of international and elite events that she has
done, I think it would be difficult for her not to have been
in this position (random test when not on the podium)
before. Any freak fans out there have this stuff (Her entry
into UCI and world level elite - and junior!) events.

I agree that the US passed on nuking her from the olympics
and that the CCA should grow some bigger brass ovaries (see
AS comments for example of someone with some moxie and is
willing to put it out there..) duh. both USA and CCA dropped
their chains on this one! Makes a mockery of the system.

also, memo to marion - hire GJ's lawyer (s)he is pretty darn
good at getting people out of drug trouble.

just my 2 cents.

econpatrick

Here is a photo of Jeanson suffering up the finishing climb
in the Fleche Wallone race. She was suffering like a dog up
that last climb and didn't finish wery high up as I recall.
If she did take drugs after she had already been tested that
morning, it is fairly obvious that she either took the wrong
kind or not enough. She didn't ride very well against the
Europeans.

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My theory is that GJ is so used to winning she didn't
realize that you can get randomed and called for a post-
race test even if you finish 38th or so. (Before anyone
flames me, that's a joke - even winners are supposed to
know the rules.)

mmmm

how many uci or national elite level events has she
participated in??? probably more then 20. if not more then
30 (national championship events are also supposed to be
run under UCI regs)

so, the burden of knowledge for random testing is not a
surprise here. If she had never been to an elite event
(where random testing is required or at the very least, is
common) I might be even inclined to give her a partial
pass, but her lack of attendance is un-excusable.

Also, I would venture a guess that she has been called
for random testing even when she was not on the podium.
Given the number of international and elite events that
she has done, I think it would be difficult for her not
to have been in this position (random test when not on
the podium) before. Any freak fans out there have this
stuff (Her entry into UCI and world level elite - and
junior!) events.

I agree that the US passed on nuking her from the olympics
and that the CCA should grow some bigger brass ovaries
(see AS comments for example of someone with some moxie
and is willing to put it out there..) duh. both USA and
CCA dropped their chains on this one! Makes a mockery of
the system.

also, memo to marion - hire GJ's lawyer (s)he is pretty
darn good at getting people out of drug trouble.

just my 2 cents.

econpatrick

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Here is a photo of Jeanson suffering up the finishing
climb in the Fleche Wallone race. She was suffering like a
dog up that last climb and didn't finish wery high up as I
recall. If she did take drugs after she had already been
tested that morning, it is fairly obvious that she either
took the wrong kind or not enough. She didn't ride very
well against the Europeans.

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$20 for a 5x7 of that? It had better come with a chunky,
ornate wooden frame for that price.