Jeanson On The Skids

On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's
Flèche Wallonne, round 5 of the women's World Cup held in
Belgium on April 21. Jeanson, who had blood and urine
samples taken before the race, was also required for post-
race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on
Thursday that she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told
CBCSports. "It's a no-no to say but I just didn't go. With
everything that had happened in the morning it was too
much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life was
over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days
earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go,
or b) she juiced mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored]
test that they wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored]
test, unless she did juice on the fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire
quebecoise", leading to her taking a US license instead of a
Canadian license, I'm thinking option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B.

Lafferty said:

From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's
Flèche Wallonne, round 5 of the women's World Cup held
in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

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had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was
also required for post-race testing, but told a press
conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

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she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told
CBCSports. "It's

a

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no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that
had happened in

the

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I
thought my life was over. I didn't understand. I passed
a test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go,
or b) she

juiced

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mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored]
test that they wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored]
test, unless she did juice on

the

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fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire
quebecoise",

leading

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to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license,
I'm thinking option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before, but
not with great frequency. You would think that knowing that
a failure to show up is a presumptive positive, she would
make certain to appear. She had to know it would jepordize
her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping, as other
elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot dumber
than anyone ever thought. And where was God/Protector Andre
Abut? Shouldn't he have made certain she made it to the drug
testing protcol? Maybe he was out getting rid of the
evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too cynical. (Note
to Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

Regardless of whether the skipped test was due to forgetfulness or intention, Jeanson should be suspended for failing to show, IMHBCO. Otherwise, what is the precedent that the UCI is setting if she gets off with a warning? If I were in a situation like hers, I would expect to be hounded constantly for dope tests and wouldn't leave any race without getting the OK from the officials. It's not like she's some nobody who got called for random. I understand that things at races aren't always well organized, and it's perfectly plausible that her responsibilities weren't clearly stated to her, and I think there is room for a light sentence if that's the case, but she should get something even if it's just a month.
If she gets off with a warning, I think all racers should refuse to take their dope tests for one month in protest.

B. Lafferty said:

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Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to
go, or b) she

juiced

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mid-race.

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Option a has certianly happened to other riders before,
but not with great frequency. You would think that knowing
that a failure to show up is a presumptive positive, she
would make certain to appear. She had to know it would
jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping,
as other elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a
lot dumber than anyone ever thought. And where was
God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made certain
she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out
getting rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I
too cynical. (Note to Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

For option A to be true it means that a lot of people
screwed up. She is there with support staff, Andre if no one
else. Part if their/his responsibility is to make sure stuff
like this doesn't happen. So I am having a lot of trouble
believing A.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B.

Lafferty said:

From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's
Flèche Wallonne, round 5 of the women's World Cup held in
Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was
also required for post-race testing, but told a press
conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told
CBCSports. "It's

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that
had happened in

the

Quoted message said:

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I
thought my life was over. I didn't understand. I passed a
test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go,
or b) she

juiced

Quoted message said:

mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored]
test that they wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored]
test, unless she did juice on

the

Quoted message said:

fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire
quebecoise",

leading

Quoted message said:

to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license,
I'm thinking option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before,
but not with great frequency. You would think that knowing
that a failure to show up is a presumptive positive, she
would make certain to appear. She had to know it would
jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping,
as other elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a
lot dumber than anyone ever thought. And where was
God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made certain
she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out
getting rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I
too cynical. (Note to Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

So, option B, she juiced during the race knowing she would
be tested afterwards and purposely didn't show up thinking
they wouldn't care or notice?

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B. Lafferty said:

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B.
Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>From CyclingNews today:
>
>More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
>Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
>controversy after missing a drug test after the women's
>Flèche

Wallonne,

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>round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on
>April 21. Jeanson,

who

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>had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was
>also required

for

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>post-race testing, but told a press conference in
>Montreal on Thursday

that

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>she simply forgot to turn up.
>
>"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told
>CBCSports.

"It's

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a

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>no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that
>had happened in

the

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>morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I
>thought my life

was

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>over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days
>earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to
go, or b) she

juiced

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mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race
[censored] test that

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless
she did juice on

the

Quoted message said:

fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire
quebecoise",

leading

Quoted message said:

to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian
license, I'm thinking option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before,
but not with

great

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frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure
to show up is a presumptive positive, she would make
certain to appear. She had to know

it

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would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's
doping, as

other

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elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot
dumber than anyone

ever

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thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut?
Shouldn't he have made certain she made it to the drug
testing protcol? Maybe he was out

getting

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rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too
cynical. (Note

to

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Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

So, option B, she juiced during the race knowing she would
be tested afterwards and purposely didn't show up thinking
they wouldn't care or notice?

Considering she was last years hero and this years zero, I
take option B Dave

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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B.
Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>From CyclingNews today:
>
>More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
>Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
>controversy after missing a drug test after the women's
>Flèche

Wallonne,

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>round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on
>April 21. Jeanson,

who

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>had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was
>also required

for

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>post-race testing, but told a press conference in
>Montreal on Thursday

that

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>she simply forgot to turn up.
>
>"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told
>CBCSports.

"It's

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a

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>no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that
>had happened in

the

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>morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I
>thought my life

was

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>over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days
>earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to
go, or b) she

juiced

Quoted message said:

mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race
[censored] test that

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless
she did juice on

the

Quoted message said:

fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire
quebecoise",

leading

Quoted message said:

to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian
license, I'm thinking option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before,
but not with

great

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure
to show up is a presumptive positive, she would make
certain to appear. She had to know

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's
doping, as

other

Quoted message said:

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elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot
dumber than anyone

ever

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Quoted message said:

thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut?
Shouldn't he have made certain she made it to the drug
testing protcol? Maybe he was out

getting

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too
cynical. (Note

to

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Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

So, option B, she juiced during the race knowing she would
be tested afterwards and purposely didn't show up thinking
they wouldn't care or notice?

Hmm.

Pre-race blood tests: A sample at 49.5%, over the limit. B
sample somehow at
44.9%. (per cyclingnews)

Post race no show. Probably because they'd have got both
samples over the limit, and she thinks being suspended for
failure to show for testing is better than being suspended
for doping.

Peter

Bob Schwartz said:

For option A to be true it means that a lot of people
screwed up. She is there with support staff, Andre if no
one else. Part if their/his responsibility is to make sure
stuff like this doesn't happen. So I am having a lot of
trouble believing A.

Well, you'd also think that TdF winners would have an
entourage to make sure they show up on time for their
prologue starts, but it doesn't always happen.

JLS
--
James "Hey Pedro, where's that map?" Scott www.jls.cx

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Regardless of whether the skipped test was due to
forgetfulness or intention, Jeanson should be suspended
for failing to show, IMHBCO. Otherwise, what is the
precedent that the UCI is setting if she gets off with a
warning? If I were in a situation like hers, I would
expect to be hounded constantly for dope tests and
wouldn't leave any race without getting the OK from the
officials. It's not like she's some nobody who got called
for random. I understand that things at races aren't
always well organized, and it's perfectly plausible that
her responsibilities weren't clearly stated to her, and I
think there is room for a light sentence if that's the
case, but she should get something even if it's just a
month. If she gets off with a warning, I think all racers
should refuse to take their dope tests for one month in
protest.

What's going on with Jeanson? If you ask her, she might say,
I don't know, do you? Are the after effects of the worlds
still haunting her? She's a ghost this year.

James Scott said:

Well, you'd also think that TdF winners would have an
entourage to make sure they show up on time for their
prologue starts, but it doesn't always happen.

Or team leaders show up for TT starts. Does Roche get a
virtual TdF for this one?

Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on
two wheels...

James Scott said:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

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For option A to be true it means that a lot of people
screwed up. She is there with support staff, Andre if no
one else. Part if their/his responsibility is to make
sure stuff like this doesn't happen. So I am having a lot
of trouble believing A.

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Well, you'd also think that TdF winners would have an
entourage to make sure they show up on time for their
prologue starts, but it doesn't always happen.

That's true. But its pretty infrequent because 15 years ago
that got added to the list of stuff support personnel have
to do to keep their jobs. Also, it is probably a big reason
that so many riders warm up near the start on trainers.

So sure, option A could be true. But it seems pretty
unlikely.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

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[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's
Flèche Wallonne, round 5 of the women's World Cup held
in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was
also required for post-race testing, but told a press
conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told
CBCSports. "It's

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that
had happened in

the

Quoted message said:

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I
thought my life was over. I didn't understand. I passed
a test a few days earlier."

"Everything that had happened that morning" being a
hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true
reflection of how reproducible the UCI vampires'
measurements normally are, then such testing is a total
waste of everyone's time, not to mention being completely
unfair to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA
procedures as well)

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Regardless of whether the skipped test was due to
forgetfulness or intention, Jeanson should be suspended
for failing to show, IMHBCO. Otherwise, what is the
precedent that the UCI is setting if she gets off with a
warning? If I were in a situation like hers, I would
expect to be hounded constantly for dope tests and
wouldn't leave any race without getting the OK from the
officials. It's not like she's some nobody who got
called for random. I understand that things at races
aren't always well organized, and it's perfectly
plausible that her responsibilities weren't clearly
stated to her, and I think there is room for a light
sentence if that's the case, but she should get
something even if it's just a month. If she gets off
with a warning, I think all racers should refuse to take
their dope tests for one month in protest.

What's going on with Jeanson? If you ask her, she might
say, I don't know, do you? Are the after effects of the
worlds still haunting her? She's a ghost this year.

A cynic would say that the heightened scrutiny she's been
subjected to since the Worlds has made it more difficult for
her to juice. Has anyone seen a comment from Andre Abut?

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[email hidden], "B.

Lafferty said:

From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson Canadian cyclist
Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the
women's Flèche

Wallonne,

Quoted message said:

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round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on
April 21. Jeanson,

who

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was
also required

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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post-race testing, but told a press conference in
Montreal on Thursday

that

Quoted message said:

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she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she
told CBCSports.

"It's

Quoted message said:

a

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no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything
that had happened

in

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the

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I
thought my life

was

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over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days
earlier."

"Everything that had happened that morning" being a
hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true
reflection of how reproducible the UCI vampires'
measurements normally are, then such

testing

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is a total waste of everyone's time, not to mention being
completely

unfair

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to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA
procedures as well)

Of course, she isn't facing a sanction for the morning
testing and was allowed to ride. Nice effort to spin the
focus away from her failure to [censored] in the bottle.

Do tell us the diquieting rumors.

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From: "Andy Coggan" [email hidden]

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"Everything that had happened that morning" being a
hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true
reflection of

how

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reproducible the UCI vampires' measurements normally are,
then such

testing

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is a total waste of everyone's time, not to mention being
completely

unfair

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to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA
procedures as well)

Just because you happen to be competent and good at what
you do doesn't

mean

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you shouldn't have great sympathy and understanding for
those good USADA

folks

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who seem to be challenged in so many ways. Bill C

It would still be nice if Andy shared those "diquieting
rumors." Such things are a perfect fit here at rbr.