Jeanson On The Skids

On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson
Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche Wallonne,
round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson, who
had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required for
post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday that
she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports. "It's a
no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened in the
morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life was
over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go, or b) she juiced
mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored] test that they
wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless she did juice on the
fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire quebecoise", leading
to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license, I'm thinking
option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson
Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche Wallonne,
round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

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had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required for
post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

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she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports. "It's

a

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no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened in

the

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life was
over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go, or b) she

juiced

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mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored] test that they
wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless she did juice on

the

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fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire quebecoise",

leading

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to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license, I'm thinking
option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before, but not with great
frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure to show up is a
presumptive positive, she would make certain to appear. She had to know it
would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping, as other
elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot dumber than anyone ever
thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made
certain she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out getting
rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too cynical. (Note to
Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

Regardless of whether the skipped test was due to forgetfulness or
intention, Jeanson should be suspended for failing to show, IMHBCO.
Otherwise, what is the precedent that the UCI is setting if she gets off
with a warning? If I were in a situation like hers, I would expect to be
hounded constantly for dope tests and wouldn't leave any race without
getting the OK from the officials. It's not like she's some nobody who
got called for random. I understand that things at races aren't always
well organized, and it's perfectly plausible that her responsibilities
weren't clearly stated to her, and I think there is room for a light
sentence if that's the case, but she should get something even if it's
just a month. If she gets off with a warning, I think all racers should
refuse to take their dope tests for one month in protest.

--

B. Lafferty said:

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Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go, or b) she

juiced

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mid-race.

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Option a has certianly happened to other riders before, but not with great
frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure to show up is a
presumptive positive, she would make certain to appear. She had to know it
would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping, as other
elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot dumber than anyone ever
thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made
certain she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out getting
rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too cynical. (Note to
Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

For option A to be true it means that a lot of people screwed up. She is
there with support staff, Andre if no one else. Part if their/his
responsibility is to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen. So I am
having a lot of trouble believing A.

Bob Schwartz
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"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson
Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche Wallonne,
round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

Quoted message said:

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had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required for
post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

Quoted message said:

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she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports. "It's

a

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no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened in

the

Quoted message said:

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life was
over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go, or b) she

juiced

Quoted message said:

mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored] test that they
wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless she did juice on

the

Quoted message said:

fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire quebecoise",

leading

Quoted message said:

to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license, I'm thinking
option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before, but not with great
frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure to show up is a
presumptive positive, she would make certain to appear. She had to know it
would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping, as other
elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot dumber than anyone ever
thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made
certain she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out getting
rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too cynical. (Note to
Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

So, option B, she juiced during the race knowing she would be tested
afterwards and purposely didn't show up thinking they wouldn't care or
notice?

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"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>From CyclingNews today:
>
>More testing controversy for Jeanson
>Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
>controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche

Wallonne,

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>round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

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>had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required

for

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>post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

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>she simply forgot to turn up.
>
>"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports.

"It's

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a

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>no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened in

the

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>morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life

was

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>over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go, or b) she

juiced

Quoted message said:

mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored] test that

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless she did juice on

the

Quoted message said:

fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire quebecoise",

leading

Quoted message said:

to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license, I'm thinking
option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before, but not with

great

Quoted message said:

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frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure to show up is a
presumptive positive, she would make certain to appear. She had to know

it

Quoted message said:

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would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping, as

other

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elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot dumber than anyone

ever

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thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made
certain she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out

getting

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rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too cynical. (Note

to

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Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

So, option B, she juiced during the race knowing she would be tested
afterwards and purposely didn't show up thinking they wouldn't care or
notice?

Considering she was last years hero and this years zero, I take option B
Dave

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"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 05/28/2004 06:23 AM, in article
[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>From CyclingNews today:
>
>More testing controversy for Jeanson
>Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
>controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche

Wallonne,

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>round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

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>had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required

for

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>post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

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>she simply forgot to turn up.
>
>"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports.

"It's

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a

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>no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened in

the

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>morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life

was

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>over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

Which means that a) she truly screwed up and forgot to go, or b) she

juiced

Quoted message said:

mid-race.

They certainly wouldn't catch anything in a post-race [censored] test that

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wouldn't get in a pre-race blood-and-[censored] test, unless she did juice on

the

Quoted message said:

fly.

With the cloud currently over her head from "l'affaire quebecoise",

leading

Quoted message said:

to her taking a US license instead of a Canadian license, I'm thinking
option A is more likely.

Sucks for Geneviève ...

Option a has certianly happened to other riders before, but not with

great

Quoted message said:

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frequency. You would think that knowing that a failure to show up is a
presumptive positive, she would make certain to appear. She had to know

it

Quoted message said:

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would jepordize her ride in the Olympics. At worst she's doping, as

other

Quoted message said:

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elite Canadian women have intimated, or she's a lot dumber than anyone

ever

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thought. And where was God/Protector Andre Abut? Shouldn't he have made
certain she made it to the drug testing protcol? Maybe he was out

getting

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rid of the evidence or scoring more juice. Or am I too cynical. (Note

to

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Tom, that's a rhetorical question)

So, option B, she juiced during the race knowing she would be tested
afterwards and purposely didn't show up thinking they wouldn't care or
notice?

Hmm.

Pre-race blood tests: A sample at 49.5%, over the limit. B sample somehow at
44.9%. (per cyclingnews)

Post race no show. Probably because they'd have got both samples over the
limit, and she thinks being suspended for failure to show for testing is
better than being suspended for doping.

Peter

Bob Schwartz said:

For option A to be true it means that a lot of people screwed up. She is
there with support staff, Andre if no one else. Part if their/his
responsibility is to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen. So I am
having a lot of trouble believing A.

Well, you'd also think that TdF winners would have an entourage to make
sure they show up on time for their prologue starts, but it doesn't
always happen.

JLS
--
James "Hey Pedro, where's that map?" Scott
www.jls.cx

James Scott said:

Well, you'd also think that TdF winners would have an entourage to make
sure they show up on time for their prologue starts, but it doesn't
always happen.

Or team leaders show up for TT starts. Does Roche get a virtual TdF
for this one?

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

James Scott said:

Bob Schwartz wrote:

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For option A to be true it means that a lot of people screwed up. She is
there with support staff, Andre if no one else. Part if their/his
responsibility is to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen. So I am
having a lot of trouble believing A.

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Well, you'd also think that TdF winners would have an entourage to make
sure they show up on time for their prologue starts, but it doesn't
always happen.

That's true. But its pretty infrequent because 15 years ago that got
added to the list of stuff support personnel have to do to keep their
jobs. Also, it is probably a big reason that so many riders warm up near
the start on trainers.

So sure, option A could be true. But it seems pretty unlikely.

Bob Schwartz
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Regardless of whether the skipped test was due to forgetfulness or
intention, Jeanson should be suspended for failing to show, IMHBCO.
Otherwise, what is the precedent that the UCI is setting if she gets off
with a warning? If I were in a situation like hers, I would expect to be
hounded constantly for dope tests and wouldn't leave any race without
getting the OK from the officials. It's not like she's some nobody who
got called for random. I understand that things at races aren't always
well organized, and it's perfectly plausible that her responsibilities
weren't clearly stated to her, and I think there is room for a light
sentence if that's the case, but she should get something even if it's
just a month. If she gets off with a warning, I think all racers should
refuse to take their dope tests for one month in protest.

What's going on with Jeanson? If you ask her, she might say, I don't know,
do you? Are the after effects of the worlds still haunting her? She's a
ghost this year.

A cynic would say that the heightened scrutiny she's been subjected to since
the Worlds has made it more difficult for her to juice. Has anyone seen a
comment from Andre Abut?

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Regardless of whether the skipped test was due to forgetfulness or
intention, Jeanson should be suspended for failing to show, IMHBCO.
Otherwise, what is the precedent that the UCI is setting if she gets off
with a warning? If I were in a situation like hers, I would expect to be
hounded constantly for dope tests and wouldn't leave any race without
getting the OK from the officials. It's not like she's some nobody who
got called for random. I understand that things at races aren't always
well organized, and it's perfectly plausible that her responsibilities
weren't clearly stated to her, and I think there is room for a light
sentence if that's the case, but she should get something even if it's
just a month. If she gets off with a warning, I think all racers should
refuse to take their dope tests for one month in protest.

What's going on with Jeanson? If you ask her, she might say, I don't know,
do you? Are the after effects of the worlds still haunting her? She's a
ghost this year.

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[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson
Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche Wallonne,
round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

Quoted message said:

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had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required for
post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

Quoted message said:

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she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports. "It's

a

Quoted message said:

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no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened in

the

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life was
over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

"Everything that had happened that morning" being a hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true reflection of how
reproducible the UCI vampires' measurements normally are, then such testing
is a total waste of everyone's time, not to mention being completely unfair
to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA procedures as
well)

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[email hidden], "B. Lafferty"

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From CyclingNews today:

More testing controversy for Jeanson
Canadian cyclist Geneviève Jeanson is once again under a cloud of
controversy after missing a drug test after the women's Flèche

Wallonne,

Quoted message said:

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round 5 of the women's World Cup held in Belgium on April 21. Jeanson,

who

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had blood and urine samples taken before the race, was also required

for

Quoted message said:

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post-race testing, but told a press conference in Montreal on Thursday

that

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she simply forgot to turn up.

"It was forgotten about, and it was my fault," she told CBCSports.

"It's

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a

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no-no to say but I just didn't go. With everything that had happened

in

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the

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morning it was too much. I thought I was finished. I thought my life

was

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over. I didn't understand. I passed a test a few days earlier."

"Everything that had happened that morning" being a hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true reflection of how
reproducible the UCI vampires' measurements normally are, then such

testing

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is a total waste of everyone's time, not to mention being completely

unfair

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to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA procedures as
well)

Of course, she isn't facing a sanction for the morning testing and was
allowed to ride. Nice effort to spin the focus away from her failure to
[censored] in the bottle.

Do tell us the diquieting rumors.

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From: "Andy Coggan" [email hidden]

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"Everything that had happened that morning" being a hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true reflection of how
reproducible the UCI vampires' measurements normally are, then such testing
is a total waste of everyone's time, not to mention being completely unfair
to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA procedures as
well)

Just because you happen to be competent and good at what you do doesn't mean
you shouldn't have great sympathy and understanding for those good USADA folks
who seem to be challenged in so many ways.
Bill C

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From: "Andy Coggan" [email hidden]

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"Everything that had happened that morning" being a hematocrit reading of
49.5%...negated by a B sample of <45%!! If that's a true reflection of

how

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reproducible the UCI vampires' measurements normally are, then such

testing

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is a total waste of everyone's time, not to mention being completely

unfair

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to many an athlete.

Andy Coggan (who has heard disquieting rumors about USADA procedures as
well)

Just because you happen to be competent and good at what you do doesn't

mean

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you shouldn't have great sympathy and understanding for those good USADA

folks

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who seem to be challenged in so many ways.
Bill C

It would still be nice if Andy shared those "diquieting rumors." Such
things are a perfect fit here at rbr.