Jeanson, episode 2

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The 2nd part of the CBC program is now online athttp://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/cyclisme/2007/09/27/004-Jeanson22h....

She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
his daughter.

GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

-ilan

We knew he was abusive, from some of his other stunts, now we get to
hear how much. This is pretty much what I thought was going on, except
for the really early epo. Him and her father are sick, sick people.
Bill C

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The 2nd part of the CBC program is now online at
http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/cyclisme/2007/09/27/004-Jeanson22h.shtml

She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
his daughter.

GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

-ilan

How Jeanson Lived with EPO
release by Radio Canada/translated by John Symon

September 27, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -

Geneviève Jeanson, who admitted last week to doping with erythropoietin
(EPO) almost all of her career, now reveals how she lived through this
period of her life. We'll learn about the machinery of the system in which
Jeanson was sometimes a victim and sometimes a collaborator.

While still a teenager, Jeanson visited the office of Dr. Maurice Duquette
in company of her father and her coach André Aubut. It is there that it all
started! Her father explains that the use of EPO was to cure the anaemia and
weight-loss which Jeanson suffered while training. Jeanson's thirst for
victory and her eagerness not-to-disappoint at all costs contributed to the
problem that developed.

The program will enable us to measure at which points in the relationship
with her coach were unhealthy. We will gain a better understanding of the
spectacular effects of EPO thanks to testimony of French cyclist Laurent
Roux who admitted to have taken it during his entire career. EPO, which is
typically only detected once in hundreds of tests, greatly increases
athletic performances but it has already cost the lives of several cyclists.

Jeanson would have perhaps been one of those if she had not tested to reveal
an extraordinarily high hematocrit level - a measure of the proportion of
blood volume that is occupied by red blood cells - at the World
Championships in Hamilton in 2003.

Jeanson will tell us that she lived all her cycling career with the fear of
dying. In the last part of the report, it is with much emotion that she will
acknowledges feeling that she cheated during all her career; that she lost
the control of her life, and even of her personality. Neither success, nor
money nor adulation brought her any happiness during all her years of
competition.

The L'AVEU DE GENEVIÈVE JEANSON, UNE ENQUETE raises essential questions
about the practices of high level sport and its coaching. This
French-language program airs Thursday, Sept. 27 at 9 pm on television at
Radio-Canada, with a repeat broadcast on RDI, Saturday at 9:30 pm. Organizer
and journalist: Alain Gravel; Realization: George Amar
Realizer;-coordinator: Éric Le Reste; Chief News Editor: Alain Kemeid

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Him and her father are sick, sick people.

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Bill C

I never got the sense that her father was a bad person or sick. He just
seems naive, uniformed, gullable, and just wanted what he thought was the
best for his daughter. He didn't seem to understand the ramifications until
it was too late.

GBMT

Canadian Cyclist...
September 28/07 8:15 am EDT - Genevieve Jeanson Interview Part 2

9/28/07.
Jeanson Interview - Part 2

In the second part of an investigative report on the Radio-Canada television
show Enquête last night, Genevieve Jeanson provided more extensive details
about using EPO during her career. Below is a summary of the interview,
translated with the extensive assistance of Adam Klevinas:

Jeanson affirmed that her first experience with EPO came at the hands of Dr.
Maurice Duquette, a Montreal orthopedic surgeon who initially injected her
with the drug, supposedly to treat anemia in 1998.

After complaining of constantly being tired, Jeanson had two options: either
she would take a season off to rejuvenate, or take EPO. She chose the
latter, but with the help of her father, Yves Jeanson and her coach, André
Aubut.

Jeanson said both her father and Aubut accompanied her to the first visit
with Dr. Duquette. For Aubut's part, he wanted to know the advantages that
EPO could provide. Jeanson's father was present because he was concerned
about his daughter's health condition and wanted her to gain back some lost
weight. He never inquired how dangerous the drug was - he thought the visit
to Dr. Duquette was a one-time deal.

But the visit to Dr. Duquette wasn't a one-time occurrence. Although Jeanson
didn't provide an exact number, she said Dr. Duquette injected her roughly
20 times in her career.

Jeanson revealed that she took EPO on and off during the season, but mostly
during training. When race season came around, she was more cautious and
sparing with the drug.

Every fall, however, when the racing season came to a close, Jeanson wanted
to find a way to get off EPO and stop biking. She spoke about wanting to
change her life, saying she was tired of being controlled, but she didn't
have the guts to speak out.

Jeanson's chance came in 2003, after a high hematocrit level kept her out of
the World Championships in Hamilton and Dr. Duquette's revelation about
having injected her with EPO. She called a press conference in Montreal in
November of that year, but decided to lie, instead saying that she had never
touched, seen, taken or been given EPO in her life.

At this point, Jeanson's father realized she was lying about her one-time
brush with EPO. He made her promise to him and her mother that she would
never take the drug again. Frustrated as he was, Jeanson's father still
couldn't denounce his daughter's guilt.

The lies also started to catch up with Jeanson. She said the only way she
knew how to survive was to keep lying. The hardest part, she said, was lying
to the people who believed in her.

Back in Arizona with Aubut, Jeanson continued to train and take EPO.
Although she didn't want to say where she got the EPO from, she said the
drug could be easily found in gyms or on the Internet.

Nevertheless, taking EPO started to scare Jeanson. She knew the drug, which
boosts an individual's red blood cell count and consequently thickens blood,
was dangerous.

Jeanson admitted that she was scared to die, that she would go to sleep and
never wake up. While lying awake in bed at night, she could feel how slow
her heart was pumping. During training, when her heart rate wouldn't go up
while doing hard intervals, Jeanson knew it was because her hematocrit level
was too high.

She said the incident in Hamilton scared her so much that she just wanted to
stop racing. However, Aubut told her that if she stopped, everyone would
know that she was guilty of using EPO. He asked her to hold on for one more
year before quitting, using the large amounts of money she was making as an
excuse to stick around.

Of course, Jeanson's performance and endorsements were also in the best
interest of Aubut as well. Instead of paying Aubut as a coach, they split
the money. Jeanson estimated that over the course of her career, she earned
roughly one million dollars.

Despite revealing her desire to quit as early as 2001, Jeanson stuck around,
unable to escape the control and manipulation of Aubut.

She felt obligated to keep winning and felt like an entertainer on the
racecourse. Jeanson recounted how she didn't want to disappoint anyone - not
her sponsors, family, coach - and that continuing to win was the solution.

Jeanson said that she was unhappy and didn't want to be with Aubut. During
the interview, she addressed some of the suspicions surrounding their
relationship.

As it turns out, Aubut wasn't just verbally abusive toward her. The most
serious incident came during a 160km-training ride in Arizona, when Jeanson
stopped pedaling, too exhausted to continue. She said Aubut got so mad, he
hauled her off into the desert and hit her. Jeanson said her face swelled up
so much, she was unable to put her sunglasses back on.

Two people have confirmed with Radio-Canada that they saw Jeanson with a
black eye after the alleged incident.

Both Jeanson and her family consider themselves a victim of Aubut's
manipulation and control. Her father says he never tried to push her and, if
anything, both he and Jeanson's mother tried to get her to take a step back
from cycling. Her mother even wanted her to quit because she didn't like
seeing what Aubut and the sport was doing to her daughter.

Now, Jeanson is full of regret. She is fully aware of her responsibilities
and admits that she cheated. The choice to take EPO, she acknowledged, was
hers to say yes or no to.

If anyone offered her drugs today, Jeanson would say no. She said it just
isn't worth it. And, although she takes responsibility for a good portion of
the blame, Jeanson says she was stuck in a system that encourages winning at
all costs, the desire to shatter records and perform.

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So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

If you are taking EPO for reasons of athletic performance,
you should also be increasing training volume. That's one
of the things it allows you to do.

Which is not to say that Aubut isn't ignorant or stupid.
Or brutal.

Bob Schwartz

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More...

Dr. Duquette says very little in the program and we learn from others that
he supplied Jeanson with EPO while she was still an adolescent and that he
did not discuss the drug's health risks with Jeanson's father.

Yves Jeanson recounts how, "My daughter suffered from EPO, I mean anemia."
It is revealed that he didn't ask Duquette if EPO could be dangerous.

The father also claims he believed for a while that his daughter had stopped
taking EPO, accepting her version of events that the doping control in
Hamilton in 2003 was a false positive. Jeanson's mother was less
enthusiastic about her daughter's cycling career.

-----------------------------------------

Jeanson Reveals More about Doping
by John Symon

September 28, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -

Yesterday evening saw the airing of the second half of the Enquete program
by Radio Canada on Geneviève Jeanson, a top cycling star for Canada who
admitted to using EPO "almost all her career." Much of the program is
devoted to questions about the role of her former coach, Andre Aubut, her
father, Yves Jeanson, and her physician, Dr. Maurice Duquette.

Aubut, once a physical education teacher, was very driven to see Jeanson
win. His ethics are questionable as is his concern for the well-being of his
athlete. Yves Jeanson also seemed very driven to see his daughter do well,
and we hear him shouting himself hoarse in a vintage home video, encouraging
young Geneviève to cycle quickly up a hill. Dr. Duquette says very little in
the program and we learn from others that he supplied Jeanson with EPO while
she was still an adolescent and that he did not discuss the drug's health
risks with Jeanson's father.

Was Jeanson a victim in this affair or was she complicit? At the
encouragement of her coach and with the support of her father, Jeanson began
taking EPO while still a minor at the age of 16, suggesting she was a
victim. But she began taking it of her own free will and continued taking
the drug extensively until the age of 23, which runs counter to the pattern
of a victim.

The program depicts Jeanson as very unhappy while she took EPO despite the
wins and the money and the public adoration she experienced. She apparently
earned about $1 million by the age of 23. We also learn that it is
surprisingly easy to procure EPO - a drug that greatly enhances performances
in cycling and other endurance sports - and that it's also difficult to get
caught taking it.

"I lost my joy of living. From the age of 15 to 23, I was dead," explains
Jeanson to journalist Alain Gravel before the cameras and microphones of
Radio Canada. At times she cries, recounting her miserable life as a
professional cyclist. Jeanson's career was thrown into suspense after
testing positive for EPO in Pennsylvania in 2005 and then ended definitively
when she announced her retirement in December 2006.

Jeanson, who started winning medals in cycling competitions at age 13, was
often tired during training. This was later diagnosed as anaemia (commonly a
red blood cell deficiency). At age 16, in the company of her father, Yves
Jeanson and her coach, Andre Aubut, she visited the office of Dr. Maurice
Duquette to discuss the use of EPO, a drug that increases the patient's red
blood cell count and is sometimes indicated for anaemia, but which is a
banned substance in athletic competitions. Duquette apparently injected her
with the drug many times and subsequently Jeanson continued with the
injections herself. We learn that she also slept in a hypoxic tent, but only
at the beginning of her career.

Yves Jeanson recounts how, "My daughter suffered from EPO, I mean anemia."
It is revealed that he didn't ask Duquette if EPO could be dangerous. EPO,
which increases red blood cell counts, enhances the delivery of oxygen to
muscles but at a cost of thickening one's blood. Jeanson compares it to
having "molasses in your veins." She was afraid that the drug would kill
her. Aubut on the other hand, minimizes the health risks of taking EPO,
equating it with vitamin C.

Enquete interviewed French rider, Laurent Roux (formerly of Jean Delatour),
who wore the Polka Dot jersey (best climber) at the 2001 Tour de France.
Roux, who failed a doping test for amphetamines in 2002, admits to taking
banned substances - including EPO - throughout his career, and explains why
he took it: "With EPO, your muscles don't burn. You can breathe regularly on
hill climbs. And the recovery is ten or 20 times faster with EPO; you can do
a 200km stage in the mountains and when you wake up the next morning, your
legs don't even hurt! I was subjected to perhaps 100 anti-doping tests
during my career." (note: Roux also failed a doping test in 1999, but it is
unclear if that was for EPO or another banned substance).

Jeanson also was subjected to perhaps 50 to 100 controls before testing
positive for EPO in Pennsylvania in 2005. She previously tested positive for
elevated hematocrit levels at the Road Worlds in Hamilton, Ontario in 2003
but was cleared of any doping infraction, and missed a doping control in
Belgium. Experts interviewed on the program admit that the drug has a short
half-life and is difficult to detect. They also suggest that only clumsy
cheaters get caught by anti-doping controls - the rest slip through.

The question is raised that if the doping controls don't stop cyclists from
doping who or what will stop them - the athletes themselves, coaches,
parents, doctors, or sponsors?

Jeanson describes herself as being caught in the machinery. "I wanted to
change my life, but I didn't have the guts. I hated my lifestyle."

We learn that Aubut was not paid a salary per se for coaching, but that
Jeanson split her sponsorships with him. This made him very motivated to see
her win and Jeanson claims he argued with her when she wanted to quit
cycling. She also describes him as a violent man, relating an incident where
he dragged her into the Arizona desert and punched her.

Yves Jeanson also admits to knowing that his daughter's declarations during
her cycling career, about not ever taking EPO, were a lie, "but it's not a
parent's role to denounce their kids." The father also claims he believed
for a while that his daughter had stopped taking EPO, accepting her version
of events that the doping control in Hamilton in 2003 was a false positive.
Jeanson's mother was less enthusiastic about her daughter's cycling career.

Dr. Duquette is involved with a complicated disciplinary hearing at the
Quebec College of Physicians and Surgeons over the Jeanson affair and
revealed little of what happened with the cyclist.

Officials from Rona, her team sponsor, admit to not asking enough questions
and being fooled by Jeanson.

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| he supplied Jeanson with EPO while she was still an adolescent and that he
| did not discuss the drug's health risks with Jeanson's father.
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| Yves Jeanson recounts how, "My daughter suffered from EPO, I mean anemia."
| It is revealed that he didn't ask Duquette if EPO could be dangerous.
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| The father also claims he believed for a while that his daughter had stopped
| taking EPO, accepting her version of events that the doping control in
| Hamilton in 2003 was a false positive. Jeanson's mother was less
| enthusiastic about her daughter's cycling career.
|

When I was staying in Toronto, Canada, for a while a few years back, I
used to hang out occasionally at a bike shop where several of the
Canadian Womens Squad used to hang out too.

Some of the tales about Jeanson and her coach I would hear are pretty
way out.

But the consensus was that Jeanson was more a participant than a victim

--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply

On Sep 28, 8:50 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

If you are taking EPO for reasons of athletic performance,
you should also be increasing training volume. That's one
of the things it allows you to do.

Which is not to say that Aubut isn't ignorant or stupid.
Or brutal.

Bob Schwartz

Here's yet another possible dimension of horribleness: Since Jeanson
finished 2nd in the men at the Mt. Washington hill climb, and Linda
Jackson could win hilly Masters 35 road races in Northern California,
it seems logical to me that Jeanson would have eventually been able to
drop Aubut on climbs, as he was around 45 years old. So I wonder
whether he had a rule that she never drop him on climbs during
training. Seems likely to me given the rest.

-ilan

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On Sep 28, 8:50 pm, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

Quoted message said:

If you are taking EPO for reasons of athletic performance,
you should also be increasing training volume. That's one
of the things it allows you to do.

Quoted message said:

Which is not to say that Aubut isn't ignorant or stupid.
Or brutal.

Quoted message said:

Bob Schwartz

Here's yet another possible dimension of horribleness: Since Jeanson
finished 2nd in the men at the Mt. Washington hill climb, and Linda
Jackson could win hilly Masters 35 road races in Northern California,
it seems logical to me that Jeanson would have eventually been able to
drop Aubut on climbs, as he was around 45 years old. So I wonder
whether he had a rule that she never drop him on climbs during
training. Seems likely to me given the rest.

-ilan

I'm sure he was following in the car screaming abuse at her and
everyone else, as I've personally seen him do several times. He got
away with the [censored] too for the most part.
Bill C

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The 2nd part of the CBC program is now online at
http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/cyclisme/2007/09/27/004-Jeanson22h.shtml

She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
his daughter.

GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

-ilan

----------------
There is a lot of stupidity in cycling,
and I think it's because it draws from
the misfits of society. The only other
sport? I think that is more fu*ked up
than cycling is figure skating. Aubut
was a canoe coach, and Jeanson was lucky
he didn't have a paddle with him. Canoe
folk are always getting hit in their ass
with paddles, when they get lazy. Aubut
was a canoe clown, that found a home in
a clown sport.

Quoted message said:

The 2nd part of the CBC program is now online athttp://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/cyclisme/2007/09/27/004-Jeanson22h....

She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
his daughter.

GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

-ilan

The show also highlights the ignorance of Jeanson's father. I am
referring to the part where he is interviewed after her Nth victory on
the Mt. Royal hill in Montreal, and he describes her as cannibalizing
her competition, like Eddy Merckx, though he then says he never saw
Eddy Merckx race. OK, so after seeing this, I'm asking myself, didn't
he see Merckx race in Montreal at the 1974 Worlds? Well, maybe not,
but then it occured to me that he probably had no clue that Eddy
Merckx won Worlds in Montreal, and that he constructed that victory on
the same climb up Mt. Royal that his daughter had just raced. That
does take some monumental lack of knowledge.

-ilan

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The 2nd part of the CBC program is now online athttp://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/cyclisme/2007/09/27/004-Jeanson22h....

Quoted message said:

She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
his daughter.

Quoted message said:

GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

Quoted message said:

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

Quoted message said:

-ilan

The show also highlights the ignorance of Jeanson's father. I am
referring to the part where he is interviewed after her Nth victory on
the Mt. Royal hill in Montreal, and he describes her as cannibalizing
her competition, like Eddy Merckx, though he then says he never saw
Eddy Merckx race. OK, so after seeing this, I'm asking myself, didn't
he see Merckx race in Montreal at the 1974 Worlds? Well, maybe not,
but then it occured to me that he probably had no clue that Eddy
Merckx won Worlds in Montreal, and that he constructed that victory on
the same climb up Mt. Royal that his daughter had just raced. That
does take some monumental lack of knowledge.

-ilan

Pretty sad tale, but this is just one part of the story.

The real blame should be on the parents - truning a blind eye to drug,
mental and physical abuse while the cheques kept coming in. I think
90% of parents would have done a better job of protecting their kids.

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She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
his daughter.

Quoted message said:

GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

Quoted message said:

So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

Quoted message said:

-ilan

The show also highlights the ignorance of Jeanson's father. I am
referring to the part where he is interviewed after her Nth victory on
the Mt. Royal hill in Montreal, and he describes her as cannibalizing
her competition, like Eddy Merckx, though he then says he never saw
Eddy Merckx race. OK, so after seeing this, I'm asking myself, didn't
he see Merckx race in Montreal at the 1974 Worlds? Well, maybe not,
but then it occured to me that he probably had no clue that Eddy
Merckx won Worlds in Montreal, and that he constructed that victory on
the same climb up Mt. Royal that his daughter had just raced. That
does take some monumental lack of knowledge.

-ilan

Pretty sad tale, but this is just one part of the story.

The real blame should be on the parents - truning a blind eye to drug,
mental and physical abuse while the cheques kept coming in. I think
90% of parents would have done a better job of protecting their kids.

The one that is mind blowing, is that she cannot complete a training ride,
perhaps really tired from the day before, or whatever reason. So it seems he
takes her out in the desert weeds and beats the [censored] out of her! That is so
bizzare, you would never hear of that today with top US womens teams. A
manager like that today, would get eaten alive I would think surely, or
perhaps the girls would beat the [censored] of him!

I remember when I went to school, teachers used to beat the [censored] out of
kids, I got the board several times from my PE and math teacher. Today,
those guys would be fired instantly, fined plus court preceedings. Perhaps
Aubut had the mentality from those years.

lewdvig said:

Pretty sad tale, but this is just one part of the story.

The real blame should be on the parents - truning a blind eye to drug,
mental and physical abuse while the cheques kept coming in. I think
90% of parents would have done a better job of protecting their kids.

Dumbass -

There are many parents in all sports who are so egocentric and
insecure that they live vicariously through their children.

I've seen a fair amount of it. The more extreme cases are incredibly
revolting.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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> She tells how she started taking EPO at 16 because she was anemic and
> it was a choice between taking the rest of the season off or
> continuing with EPO. Amazingly, her father was present when she got
> her first shot. He said he was for it because she was anemic and
> losing weight due to her hard training. He said that he later refused
> to do anything about the EPO abuse because he didn't want to denounce
> his daughter.

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> GJ also describes how Aubut beat her up and gave her a black eye when
> she could not complete a 100 mile ride in training.

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> So now, we really get the full scope of Aubut's ignorance and
> stupdity, he used EPO as a substitue for rest.

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The show also highlights the ignorance of Jeanson's father. I am
referring to the part where he is interviewed after her Nth victory on
the Mt. Royal hill in Montreal, and he describes her as cannibalizing
her competition, like Eddy Merckx, though he then says he never saw
Eddy Merckx race. OK, so after seeing this, I'm asking myself, didn't
he see Merckx race in Montreal at the 1974 Worlds? Well, maybe not,
but then it occured to me that he probably had no clue that Eddy
Merckx won Worlds in Montreal, and that he constructed that victory on
the same climb up Mt. Royal that his daughter had just raced. That
does take some monumental lack of knowledge.

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-ilan

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Pretty sad tale, but this is just one part of the story.

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The real blame should be on the parents - truning a blind eye to drug,
mental and physical abuse while the cheques kept coming in. I think
90% of parents would have done a better job of protecting their kids.

The one that is mind blowing, is that she cannot complete a training ride,
perhaps really tired from the day before, or whatever reason. So it seems he
takes her out in the desert weeds and beats the [censored] out of her! That is so
bizzare, you would never hear of that today with top US womens teams. A
manager like that today, would get eaten alive I would think surely, or
perhaps the girls would beat the [censored] of him!

I remember when I went to school, teachers used to beat the [censored] out of
kids, I got the board several times from my PE and math teacher. Today,
those guys would be fired instantly, fined plus court preceedings. Perhaps
Aubut had the mentality from those years.

Exactly. In the video, Jeanson describes how that day she was
completely dead tired from racing days before, and that it was
supposed to be a 100 mile ride with intervals, but from the very first
one, she could hardly move forward she was so tired. As you can read
in any book, that is the sure sign of cutting the session short.

Like I said before, there are still a number of 40 or 50 something
Montreal ex-racers who are goon-like, as were many of the riders of
that generation (in a 1982 Montreal race, I got punched in the face
because I went for a prime), so people of Aubut's generation. It's
really too bad for Jeanson, because there are very pleasant,
knowledgeable riders of that generation, e.g., Eric van den Eynde, who
was a top Quebec racer in about 1982 and later became Canadian
national track coach.

-ilan

-ilan

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Quoted message said:

Exactly. In the video, Jeanson describes how that day she was
completely dead tired from racing days before, and that it was
supposed to be a 100 mile ride with intervals, but from the very first
one, she could hardly move forward she was so tired. As you can read
in any book, that is the sure sign of cutting the session short.

Like I said before, there are still a number of 40 or 50 something
Montreal ex-racers who are goon-like, as were many of the riders of
that generation (in a 1982 Montreal race, I got punched in the face
because I went for a prime), so people of Aubut's generation. It's
really too bad for Jeanson, because there are very pleasant,
knowledgeable riders of that generation, e.g., Eric van den Eynde, who
was a top Quebec racer in about 1982 and later became Canadian
national track coach.

-ilan

This is interesting, some more perspectives on this...

Cut from the bottom article...

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the Fédération Québécoise des Sports
Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether they
are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

GBMT

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Mardis Lachine's Tino Rossi Comments on Geneviève Jeanson's Doping Admission

by John Symon
September 29, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -

Tino Rossi, the organizer of the Mardis Cyclistes Saputo races and former
owner of Montreal's Bicyclette Rossi store, has known pro cyclist Geneviève
Jeanson, 26, and her former coach, Andre Aubut, for many years. Following
Jeanson's recent revelations of extensive doping with EPO, Pedal contacted
Rossi for his comments on her career and the recent developments regarding
her admission of doping.

"I first met Geneviève when she was about 11 (around 1990) when she came
into my store with her parents. We soon went for a 40km ride together and I
was surprised at how strong she was," recounts Rossi. "Geneviève went on to
race for my team, Rossi Lachine, and won her first medal at about age 13. I
thought that she would one day be a world champion and told her father
that."

"Andre Aubut was both my kids' physical education teacher and a part-time
salesman for my store. My kids used to complain about how demanding and
tough he was as a teacher. This was all happening at a very busy time in my
life and I introduced Aubut to Geneviève in my store, suggesting that he
coach her. The first thing Aubut said to Geneviève was that 'if you want to
work with me, there is no time to lose.'" Soon after this, Rossi began to
lose contact with the promising cyclist.

"I went to Italy in 1999 to see her win both the road race and time trial at
the World Junior Cycling Championships. I thought it was strange when I went
over to give her some congratulatory words and she only acknowledged me with
a movement of her head. And rather than staying to celebrate the win with
her team mates, she quickly left the ceremony in the company of Aubut. This
made me suspect that something was wrong, but I didn't know that she was
doping."

Rumours began to come back to Rossi about how tough Aubut was with girls who
trained with him in Arizona. Rossi asked Jeanson's father about the
situation, but the response was that he had confidence in Aubut.

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the Fédération Québécoise des Sports
Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether they
are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

GoneBeforeMyTime said:

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Quoted message said:

Exactly. In the video, Jeanson describes how that day she was
completely dead tired from racing days before, and that it was
supposed to be a 100 mile ride with intervals, but from the very first
one, she could hardly move forward she was so tired. As you can read
in any book, that is the sure sign of cutting the session short.

Quoted message said:

Like I said before, there are still a number of 40 or 50 something
Montreal ex-racers who are goon-like, as were many of the riders of
that generation (in a 1982 Montreal race, I got punched in the face
because I went for a prime), so people of Aubut's generation. It's
really too bad for Jeanson, because there are very pleasant,
knowledgeable riders of that generation, e.g., Eric van den Eynde, who
was a top Quebec racer in about 1982 and later became Canadian
national track coach.

Quoted message said:

-ilan

This is interesting, some more perspectives on this...

Cut from the bottom article...

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the Fédération Québécoise des Sports
Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether they
are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

GBMT

-----------------------------------------

Mardis Lachine's Tino Rossi Comments on Geneviève Jeanson's Doping Admission

by John Symon
September 29, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -

Tino Rossi, the organizer of the Mardis Cyclistes Saputo races and former
owner of Montreal's Bicyclette Rossi store, has known pro cyclist Geneviève
Jeanson, 26, and her former coach, Andre Aubut, for many years. Following
Jeanson's recent revelations of extensive doping with EPO, Pedal contacted
Rossi for his comments on her career and the recent developments regarding
her admission of doping.

"I first met Geneviève when she was about 11 (around 1990) when she came
into my store with her parents. We soon went for a 40km ride together andI
was surprised at how strong she was," recounts Rossi. "Geneviève went on to
race for my team, Rossi Lachine, and won her first medal at about age 13.I
thought that she would one day be a world champion and told her father
that."

"Andre Aubut was both my kids' physical education teacher and a part-time
salesman for my store. My kids used to complain about how demanding and
tough he was as a teacher. This was all happening at a very busy time in my
life and I introduced Aubut to Geneviève in my store, suggesting that he
coach her. The first thing Aubut said to Geneviève was that 'if you want to
work with me, there is no time to lose.'" Soon after this, Rossi began to
lose contact with the promising cyclist.

"I went to Italy in 1999 to see her win both the road race and time trialat
the World Junior Cycling Championships. I thought it was strange when I went
over to give her some congratulatory words and she only acknowledged me with
a movement of her head. And rather than staying to celebrate the win with
her team mates, she quickly left the ceremony in the company of Aubut. This
made me suspect that something was wrong, but I didn't know that she was
doping."

Rumours began to come back to Rossi about how tough Aubut was with girls who
trained with him in Arizona. Rossi asked Jeanson's father about the
situation, but the response was that he had confidence in Aubut.

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the Fédération Québécoise des Sports
Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether they
are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

I disagree with Rossi on this point. The head of the Quebec federation
said they knew the Jeanson/Aubut relationship was problematic, but
they couldn't do anything when both seemed willing partners and her
parents showed him unconditional support. I think this shows a respect
for individual decisions of racers and is commendable as a principle.
The alternative would be that the federation would continually screen
athletes for their personal choice of coach or training method and
sanction them accordingly, which I would find more objectionable in
principle.

If Rossi was so concerned, then he should have done something himself
instead of waiting for official channels to do it for him (setting
dangerous precedents).

In the end, it seems more and more like what Marsal said, that Aubut
was a predator who took advantage of a naive girl and of a tolerant
society.

-ilan

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Quoted message said:

Exactly. In the video, Jeanson describes how that day she was
completely dead tired from racing days before, and that it was
supposed to be a 100 mile ride with intervals, but from the very first
one, she could hardly move forward she was so tired. As you can read
in any book, that is the sure sign of cutting the session short.

Quoted message said:

Like I said before, there are still a number of 40 or 50 something
Montreal ex-racers who are goon-like, as were many of the riders of
that generation (in a 1982 Montreal race, I got punched in the face
because I went for a prime), so people of Aubut's generation. It's
really too bad for Jeanson, because there are very pleasant,
knowledgeable riders of that generation, e.g., Eric van den Eynde, who
was a top Quebec racer in about 1982 and later became Canadian
national track coach.

Quoted message said:

-ilan

This is interesting, some more perspectives on this...

Cut from the bottom article...

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the Fédération Québécoise des

Sports

Quoted message said:

Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether

they

Quoted message said:

are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

GBMT

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Mardis Lachine's Tino Rossi Comments on Geneviève Jeanson's Doping

Admission

Quoted message said:

by John Symon
September 29, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -

Tino Rossi, the organizer of the Mardis Cyclistes Saputo races and former
owner of Montreal's Bicyclette Rossi store, has known pro cyclist

Geneviève

Quoted message said:

Jeanson, 26, and her former coach, Andre Aubut, for many years. Following
Jeanson's recent revelations of extensive doping with EPO, Pedal contacted
Rossi for his comments on her career and the recent developments regarding
her admission of doping.

"I first met Geneviève when she was about 11 (around 1990) when she came
into my store with her parents. We soon went for a 40km ride together and

I

Quoted message said:

was surprised at how strong she was," recounts Rossi. "Geneviève went on

to

Quoted message said:

race for my team, Rossi Lachine, and won her first medal at about age 13.

I

Quoted message said:

thought that she would one day be a world champion and told her father
that."

"Andre Aubut was both my kids' physical education teacher and a part-time
salesman for my store. My kids used to complain about how demanding and
tough he was as a teacher. This was all happening at a very busy time in

my

Quoted message said:

life and I introduced Aubut to Geneviève in my store, suggesting that he
coach her. The first thing Aubut said to Geneviève was that 'if you want

to

Quoted message said:

work with me, there is no time to lose.'" Soon after this, Rossi began to
lose contact with the promising cyclist.

"I went to Italy in 1999 to see her win both the road race and time trial

at

Quoted message said:

the World Junior Cycling Championships. I thought it was strange when I

went

Quoted message said:

over to give her some congratulatory words and she only acknowledged me

with

Quoted message said:

a movement of her head. And rather than staying to celebrate the win with
her team mates, she quickly left the ceremony in the company of Aubut.

This

Quoted message said:

made me suspect that something was wrong, but I didn't know that she was
doping."

Rumours began to come back to Rossi about how tough Aubut was with girls

who

Quoted message said:

trained with him in Arizona. Rossi asked Jeanson's father about the
situation, but the response was that he had confidence in Aubut.

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the Fédération Québécoise des

Sports

Quoted message said:

Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether

they

Quoted message said:

are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

I disagree with Rossi on this point. The head of the Quebec federation
said they knew the Jeanson/Aubut relationship was problematic, but
they couldn't do anything when both seemed willing partners and her
parents showed him unconditional support. I think this shows a respect
for individual decisions of racers and is commendable as a principle.
The alternative would be that the federation would continually screen
athletes for their personal choice of coach or training method and
sanction them accordingly, which I would find more objectionable in
principle.

If Rossi was so concerned, then he should have done something himself
instead of waiting for official channels to do it for him (setting
dangerous precedents).

In the end, it seems more and more like what Marsal said, that Aubut
was a predator who took advantage of a naive girl and of a tolerant
society.

-ilan

You won't see any Aubut's in racing circles today, but Marsal even went so
far as to compare him to a sexual predator. You are right however, that the
cycling authorities, should not normally go against the wishes of a team
coach when both the father and the rider are on board, but in this case they
should have. The buzz was soooooo big all these years! Everyone seemed to
suspect things weren't quite on the up and up, but since Jeanson kept quiet,
nothing happened until she got caught.

GBMT

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

GoneBeforeMyTime said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Exactly. In the video, Jeanson describes how that day she was
completely dead tired from racing days before, and that it was
supposed to be a 100 mile ride with intervals, but from the very first
one, she could hardly move forward she was so tired. As you can read
in any book, that is the sure sign of cutting the session short.

Quoted message said:

Like I said before, there are still a number of 40 or 50 something
Montreal ex-racers who are goon-like, as were many of the riders of
that generation (in a 1982 Montreal race, I got punched in the face
because I went for a prime), so people of Aubut's generation. It's
really too bad for Jeanson, because there are very pleasant,
knowledgeable riders of that generation, e.g., Eric van den Eynde, who
was a top Quebec racer in about 1982 and later became Canadian
national track coach.

Quoted message said:

-ilan

This is interesting, some more perspectives on this...

Cut from the bottom article...

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the F?d?ration Qu?b?coise des Sports
Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether they
are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

GBMT

-----------------------------------------

Mardis Lachine's Tino Rossi Comments on Genevi?ve Jeanson's Doping Admission

by John Symon
September 29, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -

Tino Rossi, the organizer of the Mardis Cyclistes Saputo races and former
owner of Montreal's Bicyclette Rossi store, has known pro cyclist Genevi?ve
Jeanson, 26, and her former coach, Andre Aubut, for many years. Following
Jeanson's recent revelations of extensive doping with EPO, Pedal contacted
Rossi for his comments on her career and the recent developments regarding
her admission of doping.

"I first met Genevi?ve when she was about 11 (around 1990) when she came
into my store with her parents. We soon went for a 40km ride together and I
was surprised at how strong she was," recounts Rossi. "Genevi?ve went on to
race for my team, Rossi Lachine, and won her first medal at about age 13. I
thought that she would one day be a world champion and told her father
that."

"Andre Aubut was both my kids' physical education teacher and a part-time
salesman for my store. My kids used to complain about how demanding and
tough he was as a teacher. This was all happening at a very busy time in my
life and I introduced Aubut to Genevi?ve in my store, suggesting that he
coach her. The first thing Aubut said to Genevi?ve was that 'if you want to
work with me, there is no time to lose.'" Soon after this, Rossi began to
lose contact with the promising cyclist.

"I went to Italy in 1999 to see her win both the road race and time trial at
the World Junior Cycling Championships. I thought it was strange when I went
over to give her some congratulatory words and she only acknowledged me with
a movement of her head. And rather than staying to celebrate the win with
her team mates, she quickly left the ceremony in the company of Aubut. This
made me suspect that something was wrong, but I didn't know that she was
doping."

Rumours began to come back to Rossi about how tough Aubut was with girls who
trained with him in Arizona. Rossi asked Jeanson's father about the
situation, but the response was that he had confidence in Aubut.

Rossi does not put too much blame on either Jeanson or on Aubut for
Jeanson's doping. He points instead to the F?d?ration Qu?b?coise des Sports
Cyclistes (FQSC), the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) and Sport Canada
and wonders why these organizations didn't notice something was amiss. "It
was known that Aubut was not following prescribed coaching programs. Maybe
someone wasn't doing their job..." suggests Rossi.

Rossi sends out this warning to the parents of young athletes. "It doesn't
matter if it's cycling or hockey or speed skating or whatever. Coaches
should not be left alone for long periods with young athletes, whether they
are girls or boys. This can lead to many different problems."

I disagree with Rossi on this point. The head of the Quebec federation
said they knew the Jeanson/Aubut relationship was problematic, but
they couldn't do anything when both seemed willing partners and her
parents showed him unconditional support. I think this shows a respect
for individual decisions of racers and is commendable as a principle.
The alternative would be that the federation would continually screen
athletes for their personal choice of coach or training method and
sanction them accordingly, which I would find more objectionable in
principle.

In general, I concur with Ilan. But I have to say that we're all kind of
dancing around the fact that the training started at 15, and the EPO
started at age 16. At those ages, your parents are kinda sorta supposed
to be looking out for your interests. Instead, they happily (or at best,
ignorantly) let daughter and coach set out on a path that was
dumbfoundingly bad.

I think, for the most part, parents should be allowed to be parents. But
the converse of that is that they have almost total responsibility for
letting a lunatic like Aubut coach Jeanson.

I'm not saying this to mitigate Jeanson's eventual responsibility for
her behavior as a grown-up, but more to figure out what to do about
future situations where kids are doping.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

All five parts are live - their is a good interview with Laurent Roux.