Jeannie Longo

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup. Picture of
perfection on a bike. That's a good shot of her on CN. I
found an old article that was really well done. If you
want to really want to brush up on Longo, the second link
here is good reading. It even tells of when Canin's broke
Longo"s chain and run ins with Marsel and Clignet. It even
tells about the worlds when Longo took second to LZ where
she sat down during the Dutch national anthem. I actually
saw that in a video and at the time it struck

me

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as kind of odd. It compares her antics to Bernard Hinault,
that a man can

do

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that, but a women cannot. If you want to know about all
the antics of

Longo

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through the years, read this article. I think today she
has come full

circle

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and is now loved once again especially for her golden
years, winding down but still almost on top. She often
finishes quite high in races she

enters.

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I think fans worldwide like her much more now since the
old days and especially in the USA. I like the photo of
Longo, since she is a lone

wolf,

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sporting her country of France on her clothes and her bike
is what else,

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Longo) It would nice if she could go out on top with
something, maybe one

of

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the classics. Long live Longo.

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup.

(snipper)

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR.
That could be a Hooker road frame, because the rear
brakes can be seen on the seat stays and I kind of
remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes.
I'm actually surprised there were any around even as late
as '02 - those frames seemed to fall apart rather fast.

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup. Picture
of perfection on

a

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bike. That's a good shot of her on CN. I found an old
article that was really well done. If you want to
really want to brush up on Longo, the second link here
is good reading. It even tells of when Canin's broke
Longo"s chain and run ins with Marsel and Clignet. It
even tells about

the

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worlds when Longo took second to LZ where she sat down
during the Dutch national anthem. I actually saw that in
a video and at the time it

struck

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me

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as kind of odd. It compares her antics to Bernard
Hinault, that a man

can

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do

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that, but a women cannot. If you want to know about all
the antics of

Longo

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through the years, read this article. I think today she
has come full

circle

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and is now loved once again especially for her golden
years, winding

down

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but still almost on top. She often finishes quite high
in races she

enters.

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I think fans worldwide like her much more now since the
old days and especially in the USA. I like the photo of
Longo, since she is a lone

wolf,

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sporting her country of France on her clothes and her
bike is what else,

(A

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Longo) It would nice if she could go out on top with
something, maybe

one

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of

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the classics. Long live Longo.

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

I would assume Longo has several custom made frames with her
name on it made exactly to her specs. I think also Longo
bikes wouldn't be out of the question either, but then who
would buy them? Some of the girls anyway. Maybe she will
become bigger legend when she retires. What gets me is why
is Longo riding so well at almost 50? Look at some of the
oldest men that retired, no where near that, some in their
40's and not riding nearly that well. Must be the smaller
pools of talent compared to the men. Firmin Lambot was
oldest TDF winner and Raymond Poulidor was 40 when he
retired, Joop rode 16 tours, but none of these guys lasted
till 50, of course Longo still has a few years till 50 but
she seems to be just as strong as ever.

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Maybe she will become bigger legend when she retires. What
gets me is why is Longo riding so well at almost 50?

Two factors, less competition and women seem to have more
staying power and are often more driven than men. Beryl
Burton is another example... although she died on her bike
so maybe you need to know when to quit. Poulidor is still
cycling several thousand kilometers a year btw... last year
he put his longevity down to the fact that he never pushed
himself over the limit when competing.

My parents in law are friends with Ms Longo, I'll have to
see if they have any other insights. Maybe it is that pure
Grenoble air ;-).

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Sierraman said:

Maybe she will become bigger legend when she
retires. What gets me is why is Longo riding so well
at almost 50?

Two factors, less competition and women seem to have more
staying power and are often more driven than men. Beryl
Burton is another example... although she died on her bike
so maybe you need to know when to quit. Poulidor is still
cycling several thousand kilometers a year btw... last
year he put his longevity down to the fact that he never
pushed himself over the limit when competing.

I wonder if Poulidor was able to keep his weight down after
he retired, wonder what his weight is now if he is still a
very active cyclist?

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My parents in law are friends with Ms Longo, I'll have to
see if they have any other insights. Maybe it is that pure
Grenoble air ;-).

Howard Kveck said:

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

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It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR.
That could be a Hooker road frame, because the rear
brakes can be seen on the seat stays and I kind of
remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes.
I'm actually surprised there were any around even as
late as '02 - those frames seemed to fall apart rather
fast.

Mini-Longo probably doesn't put as much stress on a bike
frame as the rest of us Sport-Donut-eaters, even though she
puts many more miles in.

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Howard Kveck said:

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

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It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds
RR. That could be a Hooker road frame, because the
rear brakes can be seen on the seat stays and I kind
of remember them being on the chain stays on the TT
bikes. I'm actually surprised there were any around
even as late as '02 - those frames seemed to fall
apart rather fast.

Mini-Longo probably doesn't put as much stress on a bike
frame as the rest of us Sport-Donut-eaters, even though
she puts many more miles in.

Well, that could be true, but Karen Kurreck also rode
those frames and she regularly came into a shop I helped
at in Cupertino (Cycle Craft) and I swapped the
components off one frame onto another for her, and I seem
to remember that happening at least one other time. I
wonder if Longo had some work done on those frames -
maybe some extra material welded on and better heat
treatment... Of course, it could be that she just uses
them in certain races and not for training, which would
cut back on the mileage.

The only person I ever saw out on the road with a Hooker
frame was KK.

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tanx, Howard

"Copper will never be gold" Shellac

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup.

(snipper)

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR.
That could be a Hooker road frame, because the rear
brakes can be seen on the seat stays and I kind of
remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes.
I'm actually surprised there were any around even as
late as '02 - those

frames

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seemed to fall apart rather fast.

The rear brake was under the chainstays even on the Cat. 1
road model.

I got mine in the mid-1990's, via a sponsorship arrangement.
It cracked in the first 6 months of use, but then was
rewelded/refinished/reheattreated and held up just fine
until I retired it last year. I was therefore more concerned
about their proprietary CNC-machined parts, which would have
been a PITA to repair/replace had any (more) broken.

Andy Coggan

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What gets me is why is Longo riding so well at almost 50?
Look at some of the oldest men that retired, no where near
that, some in their 40's and not riding nearly that well.
Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to the men.

There is evidence that women's athletic ability declines at
a slower rate with age than does men's. Specifically, in
untrained individuals VO2max declines at about half the rate
(in mL/min/kg/y) in women compared to men. (Yet one more
reason why an excessive "youth movement" on behalf of the
powers-that-be isn't necessarily a good thing.)

Andy Coggan

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I wonder if Poulidor was able to keep his weight down
after he retired, wonder what his weight is now if he is
still a very active cyclist?

I saw him outside the Paris town hall last summer and he has
a pot belly so I guess he's a little on the heavy side.

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Maybe it is that pure Grenoble air ;-).

Grenoble, the city itself, is one of the most polluted
city in France.

I wonder if that is true, or if the smog even makes it all
the way up into the higher elevations.

Teh local paper said that there were 60 'alert' days last
year which is much worse than Paris. The pollution makes it
up a few hundred meters because the village of Herbeys
(where a lot of the rich folk live) is supposed to be more
polluted than Grenoble itself ( source Ascoparg). I would
say Herbeys is around 500 meters compared to Grenoble's 270.
Apparently it is all the fault of trees - which sounds like
a Reganism.

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What gets me is why is Longo riding so well at almost
50? Look at some of the oldest men that retired, no
where near that, some in their 40's and not riding
nearly

that

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well. Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to
the men.

There is evidence that women's athletic ability declines
at a slower rate with age than does men's. Specifically,
in untrained individuals VO2max declines at about half the
rate (in mL/min/kg/y) in women compared to men. (Yet one
more reason why an excessive "youth movement" on behalf of
the powers-that-be isn't necessarily a good thing.)

Andy Coggan

If that's true then how come there are not others who have
rode into their late 40's like Longo aside from the British
queen? Talking about not only someone who is racing but
riding extremely well, placing high consistently. Maybe the
evidence you referred to is a factor, but maybe in Longo's
case she is case study in her own right, a genetic rarity,
combined with commitment and extremely disciplined work
ethic. She's an enigma, a mystery, Joan of Arc on a bike.
She's chiseled machine that doesn't seem to age.

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Andy Coggan said:

The rear brake was under the chainstays even on the Cat. 1
road model.

I got mine in the mid-1990's, via a sponsorship
arrangement. It cracked in the first 6 months of use, but
then was rewelded/refinished/reheattreated and held up
just fine until I retired it last year. I was therefore
more concerned about their proprietary CNC-machined parts,
which would have been a PITA to repair/replace had any
(more) broken.

Andy Coggan

Hey, at least it was still in the warranty period when it
broke (heh). I wonder if the extra heat-treat cycle
contributed to the frame's longevity. I haven't seen one
of those frames since the mid-nineties and have a vague
recollection of the downtube/bottom bracket joint being
unusual: the tube overshot the BB and was open at the
back. Or was that some other frame?

--
tanx, Howard

"Copper will never be gold" Shellac

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Andy Coggan said:

The rear brake was under the chainstays even on the Cat.
1 road model.

I got mine in the mid-1990's, via a sponsorship
arrangement. It cracked

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the first 6 months of use, but then was

rewelded/refinished/reheattreated

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and held up just fine until I retired it last year. I
was therefore more concerned about their proprietary CNC-
machined parts, which would have

been

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a PITA to repair/replace had any (more) broken.

Andy Coggan

Hey, at least it was still in the warranty period when
it broke (heh).

I

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wonder if the extra heat-treat cycle contributed to the
frame's longevity.

I've wondered that as well.

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I haven't seen one of those frames since the mid-nineties
and have a vague recollection of the downtube/bottom
bracket joint being unusual: the tube overshot the BB and
was open at the back. Or was that some other frame?

No, that's how the Hookers were built. The current Cervelos
(e.g., P2k, P3, Soloist) are the same way.

Andy Coggan

Probably combination of the same competition burn-out most
athletes at that level face, and having kids which seriously
curtails training time.

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What gets me is why is Longo riding so well at almost
50? Look at some of the oldest men that retired, no
where near that, some in their 40's and not riding
nearly

that

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well. Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to
the men.

There is evidence that women's athletic ability declines
at a slower rate with age than does men's. Specifically,
in untrained individuals VO2max declines at about half
the rate (in mL/min/kg/y) in women compared to men. (Yet
one more reason why an excessive "youth movement" on
behalf of the powers-that-be isn't necessarily a good
thing.)

Andy Coggan

If that's true then how come there are not others who have
rode into their late 40's like Longo aside from the
British queen? Talking about not only someone who is
racing but riding extremely well, placing high
consistently. Maybe the evidence you referred to is a
factor, but maybe in Longo's case she is case study in her
own right, a genetic rarity, combined with commitment and
extremely disciplined work ethic. She's an enigma, a
mystery, Joan of Arc on a bike. She's chiseled machine
that doesn't seem to age.