Jeannie Longo

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup. Picture of perfection on a
bike. That's a good shot of her on CN. I found an old article that was
really well done. If you want to really want to brush up on Longo, the
second link here is good reading. It even tells of when Canin's broke
Longo"s chain and run ins with Marsel and Clignet. It even tells about the
worlds when Longo took second to LZ where she sat down during the Dutch
national anthem. I actually saw that in a video and at the time it struck

me

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as kind of odd. It compares her antics to Bernard Hinault, that a man can

do

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that, but a women cannot. If you want to know about all the antics of

Longo

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through the years, read this article. I think today she has come full

circle

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and is now loved once again especially for her golden years, winding down
but still almost on top. She often finishes quite high in races she

enters.

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I think fans worldwide like her much more now since the old days and
especially in the USA. I like the photo of Longo, since she is a lone

wolf,

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sporting her country of France on her clothes and her bike is what else,

(A

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Longo) It would nice if she could go out on top with something, maybe one

of

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the classics. Long live Longo.

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http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup.

(snipper)

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/may04/montreal04/index.php?id=04Montr
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http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR. That could be a
Hooker road frame, because the rear brakes can be seen on the seat stays
and I kind of remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes. I'm
actually surprised there were any around even as late as '02 - those frames
seemed to fall apart rather fast.

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup. Picture of perfection on

a

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bike. That's a good shot of her on CN. I found an old article that was
really well done. If you want to really want to brush up on Longo, the
second link here is good reading. It even tells of when Canin's broke
Longo"s chain and run ins with Marsel and Clignet. It even tells about

the

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worlds when Longo took second to LZ where she sat down during the Dutch
national anthem. I actually saw that in a video and at the time it

struck

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me

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as kind of odd. It compares her antics to Bernard Hinault, that a man

can

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do

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that, but a women cannot. If you want to know about all the antics of

Longo

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through the years, read this article. I think today she has come full

circle

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and is now loved once again especially for her golden years, winding

down

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but still almost on top. She often finishes quite high in races she

enters.

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I think fans worldwide like her much more now since the old days and
especially in the USA. I like the photo of Longo, since she is a lone

wolf,

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sporting her country of France on her clothes and her bike is what else,

(A

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Longo) It would nice if she could go out on top with something, maybe

one

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of

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the classics. Long live Longo.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/may04/montreal04/index.php?id=04Montr

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http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

I would assume Longo has several custom made frames with her name on it made
exactly to her specs. I think also Longo bikes wouldn't be out of the
question either, but then who would buy them? Some of the girls anyway.
Maybe she will become bigger legend when she retires. What gets me is why is
Longo riding so well at almost 50? Look at some of the oldest men that
retired, no where near that, some in their 40's and not riding nearly that
well. Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to the men. Firmin Lambot
was oldest TDF winner and Raymond Poulidor was 40 when he retired, Joop rode
16 tours, but none of these guys lasted till 50, of course Longo still has
a few years till 50 but she seems to be just as strong as ever.

Sierraman said:

Maybe she will become bigger legend when she retires.
What gets me is why is
Longo riding so well at almost 50?

Two factors, less competition and women seem to have more staying power
and are often more driven than men. Beryl Burton is another example...
although she died on her bike so maybe you need to know when to quit.
Poulidor is still cycling several thousand kilometers a year btw... last
year he put his longevity down to the fact that he never pushed himself
over the limit when competing.

My parents in law are friends with Ms Longo, I'll have to see if they
have any other insights. Maybe it is that pure Grenoble air ;-).

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Maybe it is that pure Grenoble air ;-).

Grenoble, the city itself, is one of the most polluted city in France. The
fact is that it is situated very low in the Drac river and Isere river valleys,
and if there is no wind, the pollution tends to stay in place over the city.
During summer times, there is a lot of ozone alert days due to this situation.

Of course, climb a few hundreds meters in altitude around Grenoble and you are
out of this smog.

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Maybe it is that pure Grenoble air ;-).

Grenoble, the city itself, is one of the most polluted city in France.

The

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fact is that it is situated very low in the Drac river and Isere river

valleys,

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and if there is no wind, the pollution tends to stay in place over the

city.

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During summer times, there is a lot of ozone alert days due to this

situation.

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Of course, climb a few hundreds meters in altitude around Grenoble and you

are

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out of this smog.

I wonder if that is true, or if the smog even makes it all the way up into
the higher elevations. Here in the Sierra's the smog now reaches up into
even the very high elevations at certain times of the year due to the
valley's severe combined pollutunts. Sequerio is a good example of this as
there were several pieces in the news on this last year. Talking about
California of course.

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Sierraman said:

Maybe she will become bigger legend when she retires.
What gets me is why is
Longo riding so well at almost 50?

Two factors, less competition and women seem to have more staying power
and are often more driven than men. Beryl Burton is another example...
although she died on her bike so maybe you need to know when to quit.
Poulidor is still cycling several thousand kilometers a year btw... last
year he put his longevity down to the fact that he never pushed himself
over the limit when competing.

I wonder if Poulidor was able to keep his weight down after he retired,
wonder what his weight is now if he is still a very active cyclist?

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My parents in law are friends with Ms Longo, I'll have to see if they
have any other insights. Maybe it is that pure Grenoble air ;-).

Howard Kveck said:

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

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It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR. That could be a
Hooker road frame, because the rear brakes can be seen on the seat stays
and I kind of remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes. I'm
actually surprised there were any around even as late as '02 - those frames
seemed to fall apart rather fast.

Mini-Longo probably doesn't put as much stress on a bike frame
as the rest of us Sport-Donut-eaters, even though she puts
many more miles in.

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Howard Kveck said:

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

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It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR. That could be a
Hooker road frame, because the rear brakes can be seen on the seat stays
and I kind of remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes. I'm
actually surprised there were any around even as late as '02 - those frames
seemed to fall apart rather fast.

Mini-Longo probably doesn't put as much stress on a bike frame
as the rest of us Sport-Donut-eaters, even though she puts
many more miles in.

Well, that could be true, but Karen Kurreck also rode those frames and
she regularly came into a shop I helped at in Cupertino (Cycle Craft) and I
swapped the components off one frame onto another for her, and I seem to
remember that happening at least one other time. I wonder if Longo had some
work done on those frames - maybe some extra material welded on and better
heat treatment... Of course, it could be that she just uses them in certain
races and not for training, which would cut back on the mileage.

The only person I ever saw out on the road with a Hooker frame was KK.

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tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

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Jeannie Longo, looking great at the world cup.

(snipper)

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/may04/montreal04/index.php?id=04Montr

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http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0597/9705longo.html

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Looks like a Hooker (bike, that is)

It could be - I know she rode one at the '02 Worlds RR. That could be a
Hooker road frame, because the rear brakes can be seen on the seat stays
and I kind of remember them being on the chain stays on the TT bikes. I'm
actually surprised there were any around even as late as '02 - those

frames

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seemed to fall apart rather fast.

The rear brake was under the chainstays even on the Cat. 1 road model.

I got mine in the mid-1990's, via a sponsorship arrangement. It cracked in
the first 6 months of use, but then was rewelded/refinished/reheattreated
and held up just fine until I retired it last year. I was therefore more
concerned about their proprietary CNC-machined parts, which would have been
a PITA to repair/replace had any (more) broken.

Andy Coggan

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What gets me is why is
Longo riding so well at almost 50? Look at some of the oldest men that
retired, no where near that, some in their 40's and not riding nearly that
well. Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to the men.

There is evidence that women's athletic ability declines at a slower rate
with age than does men's. Specifically, in untrained individuals VO2max
declines at about half the rate (in mL/min/kg/y) in women compared to men.
(Yet one more reason why an excessive "youth movement" on behalf of the
powers-that-be isn't necessarily a good thing.)

Andy Coggan

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I wonder if Poulidor was able to keep his weight down after he retired,
wonder what his weight is now if he is still a very active cyclist?

I saw him outside the Paris town hall last summer and he has a pot belly
so I guess he's a little on the heavy side.

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Maybe it is that pure Grenoble air ;-).

Grenoble, the city itself, is one of the most polluted city in France.

I wonder if that is true, or if the smog even makes it all the way up into
the higher elevations.

Teh local paper said that there were 60 'alert' days last year which is
much worse than Paris. The pollution makes it up a few hundred meters
because the village of Herbeys (where a lot of the rich folk live) is
supposed to be more polluted than Grenoble itself ( source Ascoparg). I
would say Herbeys is around 500 meters compared to Grenoble's 270.
Apparently it is all the fault of trees - which sounds like a Reganism.

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What gets me is why is
Longo riding so well at almost 50? Look at some of the oldest men that
retired, no where near that, some in their 40's and not riding nearly

that

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well. Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to the men.

There is evidence that women's athletic ability declines at a slower rate
with age than does men's. Specifically, in untrained individuals VO2max
declines at about half the rate (in mL/min/kg/y) in women compared to men.
(Yet one more reason why an excessive "youth movement" on behalf of the
powers-that-be isn't necessarily a good thing.)

Andy Coggan

If that's true then how come there are not others who have rode into their
late 40's like Longo aside from the British queen? Talking about not only
someone who is racing but riding extremely well, placing high consistently.
Maybe the evidence you referred to is a factor, but maybe in Longo's case
she is case study in her own right, a genetic rarity, combined with
commitment and extremely disciplined work ethic. She's an enigma, a mystery,
Joan of Arc on a bike. She's chiseled machine that doesn't seem to age.

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Andy Coggan said:

The rear brake was under the chainstays even on the Cat. 1 road model.

I got mine in the mid-1990's, via a sponsorship arrangement. It cracked in
the first 6 months of use, but then was rewelded/refinished/reheattreated
and held up just fine until I retired it last year. I was therefore more
concerned about their proprietary CNC-machined parts, which would have been
a PITA to repair/replace had any (more) broken.

Andy Coggan

Hey, at least it was still in the warranty period when it broke (heh). I
wonder if the extra heat-treat cycle contributed to the frame's longevity.
I haven't seen one of those frames since the mid-nineties and have a vague
recollection of the downtube/bottom bracket joint being unusual: the tube
overshot the BB and was open at the back. Or was that some other frame?

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Andy Coggan said:

The rear brake was under the chainstays even on the Cat. 1 road model.

I got mine in the mid-1990's, via a sponsorship arrangement. It cracked

in

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the first 6 months of use, but then was

rewelded/refinished/reheattreated

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and held up just fine until I retired it last year. I was therefore more
concerned about their proprietary CNC-machined parts, which would have

been

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a PITA to repair/replace had any (more) broken.

Andy Coggan

Hey, at least it was still in the warranty period when it broke (heh).

I

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wonder if the extra heat-treat cycle contributed to the frame's longevity.

I've wondered that as well.

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I haven't seen one of those frames since the mid-nineties and have a vague
recollection of the downtube/bottom bracket joint being unusual: the tube
overshot the BB and was open at the back. Or was that some other frame?

No, that's how the Hookers were built. The current Cervelos (e.g., P2k, P3,
Soloist) are the same way.

Andy Coggan

Probably combination of the same competition burn-out most athletes at
that level face, and having kids which seriously curtails training
time.

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What gets me is why is
Longo riding so well at almost 50? Look at some of the oldest men that
retired, no where near that, some in their 40's and not riding nearly

that

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well. Must be the smaller pools of talent compared to the men.

There is evidence that women's athletic ability declines at a slower rate
with age than does men's. Specifically, in untrained individuals VO2max
declines at about half the rate (in mL/min/kg/y) in women compared to men.
(Yet one more reason why an excessive "youth movement" on behalf of the
powers-that-be isn't necessarily a good thing.)

Andy Coggan

If that's true then how come there are not others who have rode into their
late 40's like Longo aside from the British queen? Talking about not only
someone who is racing but riding extremely well, placing high consistently.
Maybe the evidence you referred to is a factor, but maybe in Longo's case
she is case study in her own right, a genetic rarity, combined with
commitment and extremely disciplined work ethic. She's an enigma, a mystery,
Joan of Arc on a bike. She's chiseled machine that doesn't seem to age.

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Teh local paper said that there were 60 'alert' days last year which is
much worse than Paris.

this high number for last year is due to the unprecedented canicule that was
over France during 2 and half months.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/commune.herbeys/