JAY IS WHAT?

datakoll said:

GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AWARENESS, SKILLS, SELF ACTUALIZATION,
AND REALIZATION OF BEING

JAY CHOSE A CHINESE BAG.

I WEEP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN

Jay chose the product that best filled his needs, at a monetary cost
he felt comfortable with.

Is it better to support the makers of overpriced twaddle, like Nigel
Smyth?

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:17:06 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle

may have said:

datakoll said:

GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AWARENESS, SKILLS, SELF ACTUALIZATION,
AND REALIZATION OF BEING

JAY CHOSE A CHINESE BAG.

I WEEP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN

Jay chose the product that best filled his needs, at a monetary cost
he felt comfortable with.

Is it better to support the makers of overpriced twaddle, like Nigel
Smyth?

It is difficult to support an extinct industry. Where are the
domestic makers of such products at a reasonable (or even
not-quite-boutique) price? I know of none. Plenty of domestic
brands, but not domestically produced.

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JAY IS SYMBOLIC
this is cyberspace
and you have risen to the Jay's defense.
god bless ye merry gentlemen.
but the other resident posters are by and large, craftsmen, artists,
writers, well rounded individuals.
and then there's Jay.
there is no doubt in my mind (such as it is), Jay's bag will drive the
country over the brink into recession, the global economy will wither
and millions of starving Indonesian's will be forced back up into the
trees where they belong.

Practically speaking, in may cases, no pun intended off course,
materials costs for DIY EXCEED THE COST OF THE FINISHED AND USUALLY
WELL FINISHED CHINESE PRODUCT!

But RBT is not about costs dinero effectivo, IT'S ABOUT GETTING REAL.

Surly, a man can sew his own bag.

datakoll said:

JAY IS SYMBOLIC
this is cyberspace
and you have risen to the Jay's defense.
god bless ye merry gentlemen.
but the other resident posters are by and large, craftsmen, artists,
writers, well rounded individuals.
and then there's Jay.
there is no doubt in my mind (such as it is), Jay's bag will drive the
country over the brink into recession, the global economy will wither
and millions of starving Indonesian's will be forced back up into the
trees where they belong.

Practically speaking, in may cases, no pun intended off course,
materials costs for DIY EXCEED THE COST OF THE FINISHED AND USUALLY
WELL FINISHED CHINESE PRODUCT!

But RBT is not about costs dinero effectivo, IT'S ABOUT GETTING REAL.

Surly, a man can sew his own bag.

Surely, it is not necessary to post when you are in the bag.

BAG? BAG? my good man, I'm reading about Scammon's expedition thru
Alaska.

datakoll said:

BAG? BAG? my good man, I'm reading about Scammon's expedition thru
Alaska.

Dall awaits!

Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:17:06 -0800 (PST), Ozark Bicycle

may have said:

datakoll said:

GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AWARENESS, SKILLS, SELF ACTUALIZATION,
AND REALIZATION OF BEING

JAY CHOSE A CHINESE BAG.

I WEEP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN

Jay chose the product that best filled his needs, at a monetary cost
he felt comfortable with.

Is it better to support the makers of overpriced twaddle, like Nigel
Smyth?

It is difficult to support an extinct industry. Where are the
domestic makers of such products at a reasonable (or even
not-quite-boutique) price? I know of none. Plenty of domestic
brands, but not domestically produced.

The highest percentage of my cycling soft goods is Canadian made.

Arkel is made in Canada where most workers are fairly compensated for
their labour by wages and benefits. It doesn't appear that Arkel uses
any local sweat shop labour. That may be why it seems "expensive"
compared to the Asian produced imports.

Arkel is forced to use the highest quality brand-name materials for
their products in order to justify the price and be able to vouchsafe
their guarantee. Skimping on material to save pennies per unit could
jeopardise their whole operation.

It's not practical to spend $25 replacing a two-bit zipper with a
serious one if the total cost of a replacement bag is only forty
dollars. On a $160 bag it makes sense given that you're looking at
about five more years of excellent service. That's ~$18.50 per year.

A handy person could spend time doing their own maintenance on the
lesser equipment. A clever, skilled and properly equipped person
could even make their own custom bags of the highest quality for a
fraction of the cost of the cheap bags.

They'd have to value their time as "leisure" or they'd not be able to
afford their own labour even at the boutique prices.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Arkel nor any of its
employees. I'm merely an amazingly satisfied customer.

SCHAWTZENEGGER AWAITS

datakoll said:

SCHAWTZENEGGER AWAITS

He'll be back, will you?

I'm getting cloned

datakoll said:

GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AWARENESS, SKILLS, SELF ACTUALIZATION,
AND REALIZATION OF BEING

JAY CHOSE A CHINESE BAG.

I WEEP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN

Hey...look what I found!

http://orion.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/temp/cl.jpg

Posted as a public service for my Usenet friends.

I am just here to help.

J.

Quoted post said:

On Dec 16, 7:59 pm, datakoll <[email hidden]> wrote:> GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND AWARENESS, SKILLS, SELF ACTUALIZATION,

Quoted message said:

AND REALIZATION OF BEING

Quoted message said:

JAY CHOSE A CHINESE BAG.

Quoted message said:

I WEEP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN

Hey...look what I found!

http://orion.neiu.edu/~jbollyn/temp/cl.jpg

Posted as a public service for my Usenet friends.

I am just here to help.

J.

me too! me too!

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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:18:53 -0800 (PST), datakoll

may have said:

Surly, a man can sew his own bag.

Ever tried it? I did. And I've got the heavy-duty sewing machines
that are capable of working with leather heavy enough for pouches and
shoes. It's neither easy nor all that cost-effective to do it on an
on-demand (as in, at the time the need is present, rather than at
liesure) basis. The various materials are not always easily located
in one's own area, and suitable hardware of *good* quality is often
difficult to locate at all largely because it's impossible to know if
it's good quality until it's in your hand, and even if it appears good
on first inspection, it may turn out to be unacceptable when it's been
in use for a year.

No I can't fault anyone for buying a complex item that they need.
Shoes, clothing, luggage, furniture; all of these are theoretically
within the realm of that which can be produced by handicraft, but the
reality is that there is more to the average project than the eye
initially reveals. While I'm an advocate of making things where
possible, I still buy a good many of the things that I could, in
theory, make myself, because I simply do not have the time to do
otherwise. Occasionally, though, I have to make things because the
commecial alternatives are simply not useful. That's why I keep the
tools around.

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http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1978-11-01/Make-a-Sack-Thats-Better-Than-Santas-Duffel-Up-For-Christmas.aspx

datakoll said:

I'm getting cloned

Oh. I thought you might have been smoking bits of old carpet ...

we're encouraging the feeble and weakminded to DIY fabricate cycle
equipment. oZARK and I are playing tennis.
Read the Child Buyer? that's outta date but I'm not current in the
genre

Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:18:53 -0800 (PST), datakoll

may have said:

Surly, a man can sew his own bag.

Ever tried it? I did. And I've got the heavy-duty sewing machines
that are capable of working with leather heavy enough for pouches and
shoes. It's neither easy nor all that cost-effective to do it on an
on-demand (as in, at the time the need is present, rather than at
liesure) basis. The various materials are not always easily located
in one's own area, and suitable hardware of *good* quality is often
difficult to locate at all largely because it's impossible to know if
it's good quality until it's in your hand, and even if it appears good
on first inspection, it may turn out to be unacceptable when it's been
in use for a year.

No I can't fault anyone for buying a complex item that they need.
Shoes, clothing, luggage, furniture; all of these are theoretically
within the realm of that which can be produced by handicraft, but the
reality is that there is more to the average project than the eye
initially reveals. While I'm an advocate of making things where
possible, I still buy a good many of the things that I could, in
theory, make myself, because I simply do not have the time to do
otherwise. Occasionally, though, I have to make things because the
commecial alternatives are simply not useful. That's why I keep the
tools around.

--
My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Thanks for the clear explanation.

In addition, I just don't have a lot of free time these days. I would
rather do what I do best, and what I enjoy - computer network
administration - and pay a shop keeper or manufacturer for a turnkey
solution - a finished product. Most of the things I need for my bike
commute are not that expensive, but they do take time to research. The
trap I fell into with the Topeak bags, is I just settled for whatever
my LBS had on the shelf. The problem with that, is very few Chicago
cyclists are using their trunk bags to commute year round. So there is
not a huge local demand for high quality, reliable trunk bags. Not
enough demand to justify the LBS shelf space. But when you expand your
search to Usenet and the Global Economy, there are plenty of suppliers
who target that niche.

J.

TRY THE PELICAN otter velcro cam strap ply surface method. It's
foolproof, made for ChiTown.
Engag your computer brain, structure reasons for using a fabric bag,
apply to your trip.

A DIY bag is relaxing, creative, self rounding from the computer head.
Make one on the coffee table from cardboard and stranded packing tape.

datakoll said:

I'm getting cloned

Time for Terminix