Jason McIntyre killed

From the Braveheart web site:-

"One of Britain’s leading cyclists was killed today while out training near
his home in Fort William. Jason MacIntyre, a three-time British champion and
Scottish record holder, was training on the A82 road when he was hit by a
vehicle, said to be a council vehicle which overtook him and then turned
into his path. The 34-year old was airlifted from the scene but died on his
way to hospital in Glasgow."

If that is what happened I do hope the driver of the vehicle spends a long,
long time in jail, many years, and never drives a vehicle again. Ever.

"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
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From the Braveheart web site:-

"One of Britain’s leading cyclists was killed today while out training
near his home in Fort William. Jason MacIntyre, a three-time British
champion and Scottish record holder, was training on the A82 road when he
was hit by a vehicle, said to be a council vehicle which overtook him and
then turned into his path. The 34-year old was airlifted from the scene
but died on his way to hospital in Glasgow."

If that is what happened I do hope the driver of the vehicle spends a
long, long time in jail, many years, and never drives a vehicle again.
Ever.

I've a sad resigned feeling about this. My (uninformed) guess is that a
real difficulty will arise over quality of evidence and the driver may not
even be charged with any offence.
We really do need a great many things to occur before our prospects on UK
roads improve. A start could be;-

1.) A very big, expensive and sustained programme of education directed at
other road users to inform them of our needs and difficulties. I would
personally prefer this area of spending to the Olympic bid costs.
2.) Some way to sanction the, in my view serious problem of disgracefully
anti cyclist "journalism" we have in our gutter press. Heaven knows how
this would come about, but it's a reasonable guess this is not a problem in
Benelux or Germany.
3.) Some serious punishment for what appears to be criminally negligent
driving like this above. Granted our prisons are overflowing, but a
possible start would be to confiscate or crush the instrument of death. If
it happens to be a works, hired or leased vehicle then the ultimate owner
could consider a civil claim against the convicted perpetrator?

Pure whimsey, but justified by my mixture of sadness and anger.

John Clayton
www.calder-clarion.co.uk

On Jan 15, 6:09 pm, "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com>

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Another champion gone.

http://www.braveheartfund.com/News.asp?Nid=240

http://www.veloriders.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64663

'accident' involving a 4x4 whilst he was out on a training ride, it seems.

Condolences to his family & friends. A sad loss to cycling in the UK.

This is exceptionally sad, not least because Jason was a nice guy, but
also because he was known to not be a risk taker. There were events
where he refused to ride becasue of the conditions.

He never made it big in the road race scene because he dedicated most
of his time to caring for his disabled daughter. He will be very
sorely missed north of the border.

We heard tonight just as we were gathering for the evening ride. It
was a bit more aggressive than usual - understandably so.

..d

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This is exceptionally sad, not least because Jason was a nice guy, but
also because he was known to not be a risk taker. There were events
where he refused to ride becasue of the conditions.

He never made it big in the road race scene because he dedicated most
of his time to caring for his disabled daughter. He will be very
sorely missed north of the border.

We heard tonight just as we were gathering for the evening ride. It
was a bit more aggressive than usual - understandably so.

..d

He's missed throughout the timetrialling community, be it north or south of
the border. I saw him race a couple of times and he was very, very smooth on
the bike, and fast, so fast. He wasn't an aggressive guy - just incredibly
talented.

On a brief report of Jason's death on BBC Breakfast this morning, was I
seeing things or did they use a photograph of Graeme Obree as a photo of
Jason?

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On a brief report of Jason's death on BBC Breakfast this morning, was I
seeing things or did they use a photograph of Graeme Obree as a photo of
Jason?

Yes, I did. :-( They have been notified of their error.

wafflycat' w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

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On a brief report of Jason's death on BBC Breakfast this morning, was I
seeing things or did they use a photograph of Graeme Obree as a photo of
Jason?

Yes, I did. :-( They have been notified of their error.

Oh no.

This kind of dangerous overtaking is rife- drivers genuinely forget
about the cyclist once the driver himself is past the cyclist. The
vehicle cuts in and sideswipes the cyclists, or turns left. When you
scream at them they are baffled and amazed that you are there. It
happens at pinch points too- cars scream to overtake then jam the
brakes on level with you, inches away.

This is the reality, presenters "joking" about killing cyclists, peers
of the realm saying assaulting cyclists is the right thing to do, a
driver making a stupid mistake, but it's only a cyclist, wouldn't be
on the telly if the cyclist weren't well known, then show the wrong
photo, any old cyclist photo will do.

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This is the reality, presenters "joking" about killing cyclists, peers
of the realm saying assaulting cyclists is the right thing to do, a
driver making a stupid mistake, but it's only a cyclist, wouldn't be
on the telly if the cyclist weren't well known, then show the wrong
photo, any old cyclist photo will do.

Thinking about it, it may even have been a still from the Flying Scotsman
film, in which case, it may even have been Jonny Lee Miller in his role of
Graeme Obree. But I can't be certain.

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:26:09 -0000 someone who may be "wafflycat"
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They have been notified of their error.

On the 9am news broadcast Radio 4 implied that the cyclist was
responsible for the crash, by saying that he was in collision with a
motor vehicle. I have made a complaint, though no doubt they will
ignore it in their usual Matthew Parris fashion

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Jan 16, 10:09 am, David Hansen <[email hidden]>

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:26:09 -0000 someone who may be "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

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They have been notified of their error.

On the 9am news broadcast Radio 4 implied that the cyclist was
responsible for the crash, by saying that he was in collision with a
motor vehicle. I have made a complaint, though no doubt they will
ignore it in their usual Matthew Parris fashion

Well, from what I can gather, he was left hooked, so he did collide
with the van. I understand (though this is hearsay) that he was
overtaken by a Highland Council van which then turned into the depot
across his path.

A very sad day.

..d

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:26:09 -0000 someone who may be "wafflycat"
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They have been notified of their error.

On the 9am news broadcast Radio 4 implied that the cyclist was
responsible for the crash, by saying that he was in collision with a
motor vehicle. I have made a complaint, though no doubt they will
ignore it in their usual Matthew Parris fashion

That's my pet-peeve phrase :-( Always these cyclists out colliding with poor
cars... not the motors colliding with the cyclist, oh no, never the action
being done by the motor/driver.

At least the timetrialling forum is showing respect by having a black banner
with a correct photo of Jason at the top of the page.

On Jan 15, 6:45 pm, "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com>

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From the Braveheart web site:-

"One of Britain's leading cyclists was killed today while out training near
his home in Fort William. Jason MacIntyre, a three-time British champion and
Scottish record holder, was training on the A82 road when he was hit by a
vehicle, said to be a council vehicle which overtook him and then turned
into his path. The 34-year old was airlifted from the scene but died on his
way to hospital in Glasgow."

If that is what happened I do hope the driver of the vehicle spends a long,
long time in jail, many years, and never drives a vehicle again. Ever.

Conflicting report in The Herald newspaper:
"MacIntyre was hit by a north-bound Highland Council Transit van
yesterday while cycling south on the A82 near Spean Bridge, nine miles
north of his Fort William home."
http://tinyurl.com/2u7x6m
(goes to story on Herald website)

Calum

Calum

David Hansen said:

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:26:09 -0000 someone who may be "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

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They have been notified of their error.

On the 9am news broadcast Radio 4 implied that the cyclist was
responsible for the crash, by saying that he was in collision with a
motor vehicle.

How does that imply responsibility? If a car or bike shot out of a side
street in front of another vehicle, the other vehicle may well collide
with it - but that fact wouldn't automatically imply responsibility. If
two vehicles collide they /are/ "in collision". How would you like it
to be phrased?

--
Matt B

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:26:09 -0000 someone who may be "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

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They have been notified of their error.

Quoted message said:

On the 9am news broadcast Radio 4 implied that the cyclist was
responsible for the crash, by saying that he was in collision with a
motor vehicle. I have made a complaint, though no doubt they will
ignore it in their usual Matthew Parris fashion

That's my pet-peeve phrase :-( Always these cyclists out colliding with poor
cars... not the motors colliding with the cyclist, oh no, never the action
being done by the motor/driver.

At least the timetrialling forum is showing respect by having a black banner
with a correct photo of Jason at the top of the page.

The young girl killed on her way to Chelsea FC offices was described
as having "collided with a lorry"- implying she was the causative
agent. She was in fact stationary at lights, a lorry pulled up and
sideswiped her. the media account of her death was breathtakingly
dishonest.

Consider a stationary pram, with a baby in it, being described as
having "collided with a car" that mounted the pavement. 60 people
killed by cars going exactly that last year.

Same perverse logic, cars and lorries smash into vulnerable road users
and the process of exoneration begins prior to the investigation even
starting!

On 16 Jan, 10:09, David Hansen <[email hidden]>

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:26:09 -0000 someone who may be "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote this:-

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They have been notified of their error.

On the 9am news broadcast Radio 4 implied that the cyclist was
responsible for the crash, by saying that he was in collision with a
motor vehicle. I have made a complaint, though no doubt they will
ignore it in their usual Matthew Parris fashion

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

The vehicle overtook Jason, then immediately turned left, a common
experience for cyclists:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/sport/2008/01/16/ucmac116.xml

The driver of the vehicle killed a cyclist through carelessness, and
the process of excuding him begins.

Sickening.

http://www.braveheartfund.com/News.asp?Nid=240

One of Britain's leading cyclists was killed today while out training
near his home in Fort William. Jason MacIntyre, a three-time British
champion and Scottish record holder, was training on the A82 road when
he was hit by a vehicle, said to be a council vehicle which overtook
him and then turned into his path. The 34-year old was airlifted from
the scene but died on his way to hospital in Glasgow.

spindrift said:

The driver of the vehicle killed a cyclist through carelessness,...<

Just how did you establish that?

Calum

calum said:

spindrift said:

The driver of the vehicle killed a cyclist through carelessness,...<

Just how did you establish that?

Calum

From the report I linked to above.

It's the old, old story:

The tragic case of Timothy Sanders

Is is now unofficial 'official policy' that cyclists use 'A' roads
entirely at their own risk?

On 14 February 2002 triathlete Timothy Sanders was cycling past an
intersection on the A3 near Guilford when he was run down from behind
by a driver doing 70 MPH who was in the middle of a mobile phone call.
Although the driver was using a 'hands free' set extensive research
has shown that even when using such a set, drivers reaction times are
even worse then those for drivers with a blood alcohol level higher
then those allowed under UK law (which are the highest in Europe).
Again the driver actively chose to engage in behaviour that posed a
potential risk to others and after running the cyclist down admitted
he hadn't 'seen' the cyclist until he was only 10 yards away.

Sanders was left with catastrophic spinal injuries that means he was
left with 'Locked in Syndrome'. This meant that although his mind was
alert he has no control over his body and could not even breathe
unaided. He was looked after in a unit in Germany that specialises in
such injuries.

The court awarded the cyclist £8 million to be paid at £250,000 a
year to pay for his care, despite the 'defence' claiming the cyclist
should have used another route (even though there isn't a direct
alternative) or got off and crossed the intersection on foot!

Tragically, after almost 2 years in hospital, Timothy Sander's
condition declined rapidly once he realised he would spend the rest of
his life in this condition and he died.

Absolutely no charges against the driver even though the driver
admitted to the police he was using his phone and 'not seen' the
cyclist until he was only 10 yards away and it was established that
the driver had drifted over the nearside lane marking.

The main reason for this lack of action was that it turned out that
the main witness to the crash- a female motorist who was parked in a
lay-by had an 'issue' with cyclists and argued that the cyclist was to
blame for using a 'busy' road.

This was enough for the CPS to abandon any attempt to hold the driver
to account, even though there was little doubt he was in the wrong.

This case, along with many similar instances of cyclists being killed
or seriously injured whilst using 'A' roads, suggests that the police/
the Courts/ the CPS and others are now of the opinion that no driver
can be held to be responsible for the death or injury of a cyclist who
uses an 'A' or even 'busy' road.

spindrift said:

calum said:

On Jan 16, 10:40 am, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

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The driver of the vehicle killed a cyclist through carelessness,...<

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Just how did you establish that?

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Calum

From the report I linked to above.

The report you linked to above (in The Telegraph) doesn't state
anything of the kind. Of the accident it says, "MacIntyre, a road and
time trial cyclist, was hit by a van on the A82 near Fort William in
the Highlands,..."

You seem to have already heard and seen all the evidence, held a trial
and convicted the driver.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, there are conflicting media
reports of the event so how you can jump to your conclusion is beyond
me.

Calum

calum said:

spindrift said:

On 16 Jan, 10:52, calum <[email hidden]> wrote:

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On Jan 16, 10:40 am, spindrift <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> The driver of the vehicle killed a cyclist through carelessness,...<

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Just how did you establish that?

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Calum

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From the report I linked to above.

The report you linked to above (in The Telegraph) doesn't state
anything of the kind.  Of the accident it says, "MacIntyre, a road and
time trial cyclist, was hit by a van on the A82 near Fort William in
the Highlands,..."

You seem to have already heard and seen all the evidence, held a trial
and convicted the driver.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, there are conflicting media
reports of the event so how you can jump to your conclusion is beyond
me.

Calum

There were two links in my post, rather dishonest to ignore the one
that describes fully what happened, Calum. I'm sure you didn't want to
misrepresent Jason's death...

BBC Radio Scotland covered jadon's this morning

John Beattie remark about the risks faced by cyclists and
motorcyclists.

He claimed cycling's 14x more dangerous than driving!

http://www.citycycling.co.uk/issue29/issue29page41.html

Scottish Governments own statistics- a 40% reduction in bicycle
accidents since '96.

Numbers cycling have not decreased by the same degree.