Did a little research on this ex-runner. Knowing that he's from Winter Park, I guessed that his early race results would show up at the local MTB race series and I was right:
So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
Did a little research on this ex-runner. Knowing that he's from Winter Park, I guessed that his early race results would show up at the local MTB race series and I was right:
So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
Bret
Did he have an early start time in all those events, too?
Did a little research on this ex-runner. Knowing that he's from Winter Park, I guessed that his early race results would show up at the local MTB race series and I was right:
So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
Bret
What you also have is a rider on a team which will be perhaps the most closely scruitinised in the history of the sport, and voluntarily so. It's easy to make insinuations but you are conveniently forgetting this point...
On Feb 20, 6:52 am, "Bret" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
Bret
What you also have is a rider on a team which will be perhaps the most closely scruitinised in the history of the sport, and voluntarily so. It's easy to make insinuations but you are conveniently forgetting this point...
What insinuations? I read Bret's comments and thought, "Interesting -- this guy could go far in this race. But maybe the longer TT will hurt him." -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com ****************************
On Feb 20, 4:54 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
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On 20 Feb 2007 03:50:06 -0800, "need more sun"
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So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
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What you also have is a rider on a team which will be perhaps the most closely scruitinised in the history of the sport, and voluntarily so. It's easy to make insinuations but you are conveniently forgetting this point...
What insinuations? I read Bret's comments and thought, "Interesting -- this guy could go far in this race. But maybe the longer TT will hurt him." -- JT
You're right, I made no insinuation. I think Donald is still developing and will be somone to watch. The TT was all the more remarkable considering the lack of experience.
Did a little research on this ex-runner. Knowing that he's from Winter Park, I guessed that his early race results would show up at the local MTB race series and I was right:
So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
Thanks for posting his "history," I was wondering about it, and to what extent he really "came out of nowhere".
Did a little research on this ex-runner. Knowing that he's from Winter Park, I guessed that his early race results would show up at the local MTB race series and I was right:
So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
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Bret
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If you knew Bret, you'd know he wasn't insinuating anything, he was bragging about the guy. Lot's of folks here in CO are quite proud of his accomplishments and are really pulling for him.
Frankly, I think it's great he's with Vaughter's team this year, but I bet he won't be with them for too many seasons. The guy's a true physical talent who apparently knows what it's like to win.
Unless he chooses otherwise, I see him in Europe within a year or two.
Did a little research on this ex-runner. Knowing that he's from Winter Park, I guessed that his early race results would show up at the local MTB race series and I was right:
So what we have here is a climber who has been winning criteriums at every level since he started and has very little time trial experience. This could get very interesting.
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Bret
What you also have is a rider on a team which will be perhaps the most closely scruitinised in the history of the sport, and voluntarily so. It's easy to make insinuations but you are conveniently forgetting this point...
Ok, my bad! I guess I jumped to the wrong conclusion re what you were saying.. I was cheering for Jason, pity he didn't get the stage win..
What insinuations? I read Bret's comments and thought, "Interesting -- this guy could go far in this race. But maybe the longer TT will hurt him." -- JT
You're right, I made no insinuation. I think Donald is still developing and will be somone to watch. The TT was all the more remarkable considering the lack of experience.
So, I was wondering, could his relative inexperience be an issue? How many big stage races has he done? Of course he doesn't have to defend the jersey or expectations, so that takes some pressure off.
This reinforces the idea that there is likely a lot of talent out there that isn't even on bicycles.
Also, Ben Jacques-Maynes had a good ride and is a fairly experienced quality rider. Maybe not up to Levi in a longer TT, but it's February and we'll see.
On Feb 20, 8:18 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
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What insinuations? I read Bret's comments and thought, "Interesting -- this guy could go far in this race. But maybe the longer TT will hurt him." -- JT
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You're right, I made no insinuation. I think Donald is still developing and will be somone to watch. The TT was all the more remarkable considering the lack of experience.
So, I was wondering, could his relative inexperience be an issue? How many big stage races has he done? Of course he doesn't have to defend the jersey or expectations, so that takes some pressure off.
This reinforces the idea that there is likely a lot of talent out there that isn't even on bicycles.
Also, Ben Jacques-Maynes had a good ride and is a fairly experienced quality rider. Maybe not up to Levi in a longer TT, but it's February and we'll see.
Ben
I don't think he has too much stage race experience, but he's under the close tutelage of a guy who has lot's, plus from very early on in his athletic career he's shown that he is a winner. He may not win the ToC (this year) but he's no fluke and he will go far in the sport. From looking at his results as a runner AND his pretty darned incredible results in his very short cycling career, you can only surmise that he's got some serious talent.
On Feb 20, 8:18 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>
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What insinuations? I read Bret's comments and thought, "Interesting -- this guy could go far in this race. But maybe the longer TT will hurt him." -- JT
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You're right, I made no insinuation. I think Donald is still developing and will be somone to watch. The TT was all the more remarkable considering the lack of experience.
So, I was wondering, could his relative inexperience be an issue? How many big stage races has he done? Of course he doesn't have to defend the jersey or expectations, so that takes some pressure off.
This reinforces the idea that there is likely a lot of talent out there that isn't even on bicycles.
Also, Ben Jacques-Maynes had a good ride and is a fairly experienced quality rider. Maybe not up to Levi in a longer TT, but it's February and we'll see.
Ben
Sure his inexperience could hurt but he's also probably got some room to improve. This reminds me of Ned Overand doing the Coor's Classic in 1983. He was a 26 year old newbie with a running background if I recall correctly.
On 20 Feb 2007 21:15:16 -0800, "Scott" <[email hidden]>
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I don't think he has too much stage race experience, but he's under the close tutelage of a guy who has lot's, plus from very early on in his athletic career he's shown that he is a winner. He may not win the ToC (this year) but he's no fluke and he will go far in the sport. From looking at his results as a runner AND his pretty darned incredible results in his very short cycling career, you can only surmise that he's got some serious talent.
A question is, can he handle a bike and stay out of the wind well? -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com ****************************
On Feb 21, 4:05 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
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On 20 Feb 2007 21:15:16 -0800, "Scott" <[email hidden]>
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I don't think he has too much stage race experience, but he's under the close tutelage of a guy who has lot's, plus from very early on in his athletic career he's shown that he is a winner. He may not win the ToC (this year) but he's no fluke and he will go far in the sport. From looking at his results as a runner AND his pretty darned incredible results in his very short cycling career, you can only surmise that he's got some serious talent.
A question is, can he handle a bike and stay out of the wind well? -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visithttp://www.jt10000.com ****************************
Those are great questions. He has a background as mountainbiker and he's shown that he can win Pro/1/2 crits in CO. As for staying out of the wind, that's hard to say. Most of his road race wins have come after solo efforts. He wasn't sitting in, then. I bet he can learn.
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On 21 Feb 2007 05:06:20 -0800, "Scott" <[email hidden]>
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He has a background as mountainbiker and he's shown that he can win Pro/1/2 crits in CO.
Better than Danielson it seems, then.
Danielson is going to have to have his revelation. We've already seen by his results in Europe that he has the physical capacity to win in big races, he just doesn't have the dedication and drive to do so. And I think that probably comes from the fear that riders like he always have - can I hold on to the end.
Another perfect example of someone that's physically superior but just doesn't have the kill instinct quite strong enough is George Hincapie. I think that George could have won a lot more classics if he hadn't been too concerned with trying to prove to others that he was worthy of riding with them.
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Sure his inexperience could hurt but he's also probably got some room to improve. This reminds me of Ned Overend doing the Coor's Classic in 1983. He was a 26 year old newbie with a running background if I recall correctly.
Ned, at 50, just got a second in the Mt. Washington hill climb or some such? Deadly Nedly is decidedly a man to be reckoned with. What could he have accomplished if there was a school training system for bicycle racers?
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On 21 Feb 2007 05:06:20 -0800, "Scott" <[email hidden]>
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He has a background as mountainbiker and he's shown that he can win Pro/1/2 crits in CO.
Better than Danielson it seems, then.
Danielson is going to have to have his revelation. We've already seen by his results in Europe that he has the physical capacity to win in big races, he just doesn't have the dedication and drive to do so. And I think that probably comes from the fear that riders like he always have - can I hold on to the end.
Another perfect example of someone that's physically superior but just doesn't have the kill instinct quite strong enough is George Hincapie. I think that George could have won a lot more classics if he hadn't been too concerned with trying to prove to others that he was worthy of riding with them.
Sounds like what Hincapie is missing is the "wheelsucker" instinct.
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