Jasmine embarrasses herself!!!!!

[kclw]

Well, what is currently done is periodization. Riding a long ride once a week is not periodization. All the energy systems work off of having a strong aerobic system and you need to do the rides to have this. I coach some athletes that have had great success at a national level and I know that what I do works.

Actually the large volume idea is a bit dated. Exercise physiologist have really changed their opinion on how to develope an aeobic bases. Volumes are dropping across the boards. Many elites cyclist have dropped volume by 30% or more and are racing better.

How people develope the aerobic system has changed. Instead of doing a 6hr ride at a low intensity riders are doing 3hrs at a higher intensity. Shorter rides at a higher intensity have been shown to have a higher trainning benifit.
Think about it, if you sat on a bike for 6hrs and didn't pedal you would be tired from just sitting there. On a long ride a lot of the fatique does not have any trainning benifit (other than teaching you to eat and drink). Even Greg Lemond has come out and said that there isn't a reason for any cyclist to do a ride over 4hrs.

As a coach you can never rely on the sucess of your athletes. A good athlete is born fast, trainning makes them faster and proper trainning makes them even faster. This is why I spend hours reading athletic journals. I am always looking for what will make an athlete a bit faster. The way I look at it is an athlete who uses 5 year old trainning methods will be beat by an equal athlete using modern trainning techniques. Don't be like Ed and rely on the past, there are too many people like him in the cycling the world who say "this is the way it has always been done."

Go take a read in the power meter trainning section on this forum there is some great coaches in there.

 

[Fausto Coppied]

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Do you think Lorraine Lafreneire who is runing the CCA has any clue about this stuff? She is as taking head for public relation without the least cycling experience. this thread was about the nature of the sport not the minutinaue of training.

BTW, kclw seems more interested in attacking me than making sense, as usual, see below.

"The way I look at it is an athlete who uses 5 year old trainning methods will be beat by an equal athlete using modern trainning techniques. Don't be like Ed and rely on the past, there are too many people like him in the cycling the world who say "this is the way it has always been done." - kclw

Wouldn't you athlete using the 5 year old traiing methods and beating an ahtelte using "Modern" techniques be living in the past? You contradicted yourself.

Prety funny your long-term view of five years and "modern"!

 

[kclw]

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Do you think Lorraine Lafreneire who is runing the CCA has any clue about this stuff? She is as taking head for public relation without the least cycling experience. this thread was about the nature of the sport not the minutinaue of training.

BTW, kclw seems more interested in attacking me than making sense, as usual, see below.

"The way I look at it is an athlete who uses 5 year old trainning methods will be beat by an equal athlete using modern trainning techniques. Don't be like Ed and rely on the past, there are too many people like him in the cycling the world who say "this is the way it has always been done." - kclw

Wouldn't you athlete using the 5 year old traiing methods and beating an ahtelte using "Modern" techniques be living in the past? You contradicted yourself.

Prety funny your long-term view of five years and "modern"!

You miss read my post Ed or misinterperted it. Either case how embarrassing for you.

 

[holli]

Do you think Lorraine Lafreneire who is runing the CCA has any clue about this stuff? She is as taking head for public relation without the least cycling experience. this thread was about the nature of the sport not the minutinaue of training.

BTW, kclw seems more interested in attacking me than making sense, as usual, see below.

"The way I look at it is an athlete who uses 5 year old trainning methods will be beat by an equal athlete using modern trainning techniques. Don't be like Ed and rely on the past, there are too many people like him in the cycling the world who say "this is the way it has always been done." - kclw

Wouldn't you athlete using the 5 year old traiing methods and beating an ahtelte using "Modern" techniques be living in the past? You contradicted yourself.

Prety funny your long-term view of five years and "modern"!

Lorraine Lafreneire doesn't need to know about these training methods. Smart marketing/PR/communications person can do excellent job without any deeper knowledge of for example cycling (in this case). However...good marketing/PR/communications person should have something to show after working for an organization for a year. I think there's nothing to show in this case?

Ed is calling for Canada Cup type of series for road cycling or at least big national events for all provinces. This is very difficult to do though. First problem on top of my mind is that nobody would travel from BC, Quebec or Ontario to do a race in Manitoba or Sask. if most of the costs wouldn't be covered. If starting point is to get at least 20 000$ to get some riders to do the trip, it's pretty difficult to even get wheels turning. Flights, hotels, vehicles, food for at least 50 riders from BC, Ontario and Quebec would be pretty expensive. On top of this you need good price money of at least 8000$, 4500-6000$ for men and the rest for women depending do you want elite men to show up or would you prefer having 20 women instead of 10. On top of these you need permits, stuff and things etc. etc. so you need a budget of at least 30 000$ to get it going. Then there's still a pretty big risk that many riders wouldn't come because of long distance and in elite men there would be 40-50 riders...that would prevent that event to be organized the next year or maybe ever again.

If I would start organizing a race in MB and wanted it to be big some day I would do bit differently. I would invite 2-3 teams of 5-6 riders from Alberta as they might actually come if I could provide affordable and decent accommodation and some gas money plus even 2000$ price money. Then I would try to get Sask. provincial team to send couple of riders. Then the handfull of local guys. This would be 20-30 canadian cat 1/2 riders. This is not enough for a decent race. Rather than trying to buy some riders from east or west to come I would rather try to get riders from Minnesota, North Dakota and maybe even from Wisconsin. First year or two years doing this and then, if things still work, the race would be better known and it would be easier to get BC, ON, Que. riders to make the trip.

EDIT: Training with a power meter is pretty much the latest trend and I've known the basics of that for ~7 years. Periodization is much older, and long LSD rides as a base building are very old. Better doping controls are forcing coaches and riders to think about recovery much more than before and +20 hour weeks won't let clean riders to recover. Even shorter weeks of steady training are too much for many.

 

[Fausto Coppied]

You miss read my post Ed or misinterperted it. Either case how embarrassing for you.

Well, then, explain the comment so it makes sense.

BTW, that is misread, "not miss read".

 

[Fausto Coppied]

The Canada Cups worked just fine for almost ten years from 1986 or so to 1995 or so. Teams did travel across the country, usually expenses were not paid. Even the smaller teams managed to at least travel regionally. Ideally the events are scheduled so a few of them are held around the same time in the same area, making it more feasible and cost-effective. (Lac St. Jean, Beauce, Montreal) (Vicortia, White Rock, Gastown, etc.)

Kevin Field, Steve Bauer and others are telling us there are more teams now than before and they supposedly have bigger budgets so why couldn’t they afford to do these races?



Obviously most of you have very little knowledge of the past. Winnipeg used to have a race called the Cobblestone Classic right downtown sponsored by 7-Eleven. It predated the Canada Cup Series and had big prize money and great media coverage. Not only did many Canadian riders go but 7-Eleven used to get its A Team up there to do the event. It was incorporated into the CT series.



As for Lorraine Lafrenière, even Holli can see, Lafrenière has done nothing in a year except oversee mass firings and huge budget cuts. Even her public relations work, supposedly her forte has been atrocious.



Lorraine Lafrenière has been a complete failure in her position as Canadian Cycling Association Director General. She should resign to avoid being fired.



Hiring her is another tragic mistake in a long line of tragic CCA mistakes.

 

[holli]

The Canada Cups worked just fine for almost ten years from 1986 or so to 1995 or so. Teams did travel across the country, usually expenses were not paid. Even the smaller teams managed to at least travel regionally. Ideally the events are scheduled so a few of them are held around the same time in the same area, making it more feasible and cost-effective. (Lac St. Jean, Beauce, Montreal) (Vicortia, White Rock, Gastown, etc.)

Kevin Field, Steve Bauer and others are telling us there are more teams now than before and they supposedly have bigger budgets so why couldn’t they afford to do these races?

Obviously most of you have very little knowledge of the past. Winnipeg used to have a race called the Cobblestone Classic right downtown sponsored by 7-Eleven. It predated the Canada Cup Series and had big prize money and great media coverage. Not only did many Canadian riders go but 7-Eleven used to get its A Team up there to do the event. It was incorporated into the CT series.

I know that there was a cobblestone classic in Winnipeg. At least 7-eleven was paid to come and race but I don't know about the other teams. First race was -85, I heard, but I don't know when was the last race.

More teams with bigger budgets...possibly but the budgets are used to pay the over bloated salaries. I don't know would "just a race" be enough to attract well paid pros to travel 2000km to do 2-3 days of racing especially if costs wouldn't be mostly covered by race organizer. Things look very different from here. I'd rather establish something little smaller here that could possibly survive the first "bad" year rather than trying something too big.

 

[Fausto Coppied]

I have reams and reams of info on this stuff. I have the race bibles from Cobblestone Classic and all the other Canadian Tire events, I have the letters of invitation and terms of agreement, I have the race programs, I have the results and press clippings. I have video footage.


If the CCA established a permanent cycling centre serving as headquarters, training centre, warehouse, mechanic shop with a track, let's say located around the Forrest City track I would donate all this stuff for a CDN Cycling museum and resource centre.

If I had the time I would scan it it and post it all on a web site for public review.

If the CCA and Lorriane Lafreniere didn't have their head up their ass they could probably get a grant to do this stuff.

Regarding the Winnipeg Cobblestone Classic if I remembr correctly the first event we did as Evian was in 1989 or 1990.

There was actually a conflict with the Canada Cup in Calgary I think. We split our squad to do both events. The Evian guys, Todd McNiutt, Colin Davidson, Yvan Waddell and maybe Tim Lefebvre beat the 7-Eleven pros in the rain. I think McNutt lapped the field with a couple guys and won.

Magicuts tried to do both events with the same squad. They started Graeme Miller with the intention of pullng him out of Calgary and sending him to Winnipeg. That would have been illegal. I insisted to Commissaires that if Miller started the race in Calgary he had to stay until the end of the event and his license had to be kept by commissaires, not permitting him to start the Cobblestone Classic. I don't think he started the Calgary event.

 

[kclw]

EDIT: Training with a power meter is pretty much the latest trend and I've known the basics of that for ~7 years. Periodization is much older, and long LSD rides as a base building are very old. Better doping controls are forcing coaches and riders to think about recovery much more than before and +20 hour weeks won't let clean riders to recover. Even shorter weeks of steady training are too much for many.

Bang on.

Most cyclist grossly over estimate what they can handle for a trainning load. If you are not working, very good at resting, and have a couple of years of trainning under your belt 15-20hr is probably perfect. Any more and you are sacrificing quality for quantity. If you are a working stiff (like many of our developing racers) then 12-15 is more in the ball park.

The interesting thing is how much the increased number of the master racer has influenced trainning theory. The time limited master who doesn't recover that well has really changed the way trainning is approached. Several master I know comment that they race faster then they did as a cat 1/2 on half the volume.

Ed, go read that post again. It is clearly written, the sentence "The way I look at it is an athlete who uses 5 year old trainning methods will be beat by an equal athlete using modern trainning techniques." has a pretty clear meaning at least.

The reason why 5 year old trainning methods is not modern is because in the past 5 years how top riders train has changed dramatically. Before that the changes were quite a bit slower (riders in 80s trainned similarly to riders in the 90s).

BTW I don't make fun of your typos so don't make fun of mine.