As I live in the UK and get no coverage of whats being going on regarding JU I am interested to know what has being going on with him. Does he just want to be a normal citizen or does he want to get back into pro cycling?
So since match of a blood bag in Spain in April does Ulle remain in cycling legal limbo? What is the status with the Bonn Prosecutor - do they still have a case against Ulle, Oscar Sevilla and Rudy Pevenage after all the confessions of ex TMO riders and revelations about the doctors at TMO? And as Aldag and Zabel remain in pro cycling how does this stack up with any case against Ulle? I did read that they had asked for copies of his bank statements taken during the raid on his house way back in September last year. Even though Ulle has retired from racing have the Swiss Cycling Federation taken any action against him or will do in the future? Is he still associated with Volksbank?
I also read he may cycle for a kids charity in Stuttgart in October? I know many of you could not give a toss what he is up to but I remain a fan and have my memories of a great rider and champion.
As I live in the UK and get no coverage of whats being going on regarding JU I am interested to know what has being going on with him. Does he just want to be a normal citizen or does he want to get back into pro cycling?
So since match of a blood bag in Spain in April does Ulle remain in cycling legal limbo? What is the status with the Bonn Prosecutor - do they still have a case against Ulle, Oscar Sevilla and Rudy Pevenage after all the confessions of ex TMO riders and revelations about the doctors at TMO? And as Aldag and Zabel remain in pro cycling how does this stack up with any case against Ulle? I did read that they had asked for copies of his bank statements taken during the raid on his house way back in September last year. Even though Ulle has retired from racing have the Swiss Cycling Federation taken any action against him or will do in the future? Is he still associated with Volksbank?
I also read he may cycle for a kids charity in Stuttgart in October? I know many of you could not give a toss what he is up to but I remain a fan and have my memories of a great rider and champion.
I've wondered about the same questions, and hopefully someboby here can provide some answers. Aslo, what is really at stake in this sporting fraud case pending against Ullrich? Before he had retired, of course his career as a competitive cyclist was on the line. Now that he has apparently dropped out of the pro ranks, does this case still pose any serious threats to him if he were to be found guilty (e.g., jail time), or was it the threat to his pro career that was the main issue all along?
The last I heard he just wants to live as a regular guy and be left alone. I also heard some people won't let go of the persecution and want to fry him in Germany.
The last I heard he just wants to live as a regular guy and be left alone. I also heard some people won't let go of the persecution and want to fry him in Germany.
1944: Those who do not follow history are doomed to repeat it !
1944: Those who do not follow history are doomed to repeat it !
I want to know who the hell this woman is that filed fraud charges. She seems to have no interest or connection to cycling other than these charges. Can someone enligten me?
I want to know who the hell this woman is that filed fraud charges. She seems to have no interest or connection to cycling other than these charges. Can someone enligten me?
I want to know who the hell this woman is that filed fraud charges. She seems to have no interest or connection to cycling other than these charges. Can someone enligten me?
I don't know anything about the German legal system, but in the US there have been a number of high-profile figures convicted for lying to investigators about charges whose original legitimacy was highly questionable, and ultimately never pursued. Once they nail you for obstructing the investigation, they've got you. The original charges are abanoned and the guy ends up with a conviction for nothing other than lying to the investigators (e.g., Scooter Libby, Martha Stewart). Lesson #1: Avoid activities that may bring investigators to your door. lesson #2: Once they start asking you questions that you are compelled to answer, tell the truth.
I don't know anything about the German legal system, but in the US there have been a number of high-profile figures convicted for lying to investigators about charges whose original legitimacy was highly questionable, and ultimately never pursued. Once they nail you for obstructing the investigation, they've got you. The original charges are abanoned and the guy ends up with a conviction for nothing other than lying to the investigators (e.g., Scooter Libby, Martha Stewart). Lesson #1: Avoid activities that may bring investigators to your door. lesson #2: Once they start asking you questions that you are compelled to answer, tell the truth.
I was over in Munich on business recently - and I was discussing sport with some of the German people we do business with.
It was very interesting their reaction to Jan Ullrich when he came up in conversation. They were going on about how cycling is full of dope and how JU is East German and that all East Germans are doping....etc etc. (remember Munich is in south- west Germany).
After I got back here, I checked my C drive databases which I keep. I had some old emails from the same guys - from 1999 - when JU won the Vuelta and in those mail they were talking about "ubercyclist" and "Jan the wunderkind".
I was over in Munich on business recently - and I was discussing sport with some of the German people we do business with.
It was very interesting their reaction to Jan Ullrich when he came up in conversation. They were going on about how cycling is full of dope and how JU is East German and that all East Germans are doping....etc etc. (remember Munich is in south- west Germany).
After I got back here, I checked my C drive databases which I keep. I had some old emails from the same guys - from 1999 - when JU won the Vuelta and in those mail they were talking about "ubercyclist" and "Jan the wunderkind".
Funny how things change.
[font=Verdana][censored] heartland down there in Bavaria Lim..... be careful !... many Germans today still see the former East Germans as scum.... when I travel to German on business I'm told you can tell an East German by his shoes ! [/font]
[font=Verdana]It will take another 40 years to breed out the prejudice of the former East….[/font]
[font=Verdana][censored] heartland down there in Bavaria Lim..... be careful !... many Germans today still see the former East Germans as scum.... when I travel to German on business I'm told you can tell an East German by his shoes ! [/font]
[font=Verdana]It will take another 40 years to breed out the prejudice of the former East….[/font]
These same guys were cheering on JU when he was a champion - but after Puerto their attitude changed.
I agree with your point : there does seem to be an "us and them" attitude which I have noticed when over there with work.
The 1999 e-mails were after the 1997 - 1998 brainwash and before the massive 2006-2007 brainwash.
limerickman said:
I was over in Munich on business recently - and I was discussing sport with some of the German people we do business with.
It was very interesting their reaction to Jan Ullrich when he came up in conversation. They were going on about how cycling is full of dope and how JU is East German and that all East Germans are doping....etc etc. (remember Munich is in south- west Germany).
After I got back here, I checked my C drive databases which I keep. I had some old emails from the same guys - from 1999 - when JU won the Vuelta and in those mail they were talking about "ubercyclist" and "Jan the wunderkind".
These same guys were cheering on JU when he was a champion - but after Puerto their attitude changed.
I agree with your point : there does seem to be an "us and them" attitude which I have noticed when over there with work.
I think JU turned out to be a disappointment to many people.And not for the doping. Anyone who has followed this sport assumes doping in everyone, as it's just part of the game. JU perked my interest in the Euro peloton after the rather boring but dominant years of Banesto. I was a big JU fan. but something was lacking with him...... He had talent, he had the dominant team, and yet he seemed to be passive in nature. Maybe we believed the press and hype after his TDF win. That would have been tough to live woth. But he never seemed to want the victories bad enough to maintain the fitness over the season's slow times. And I felt he never attacked LA enough, to try and break him. Maybe he was unable to, but yet he could have shown some effort. I realize luck played a major role...His running in the back of the car, his slide out in the final TDT TT, and his doping charge for recreational drugs. But a athlete makes his own luck. That is part of the game. I'm no saint, but if my living depended on being clean, the recreational drugs would have never been in my system. I expected more from him as his fan. Until LA was going for #5 I was rooting for JU. I am a big fan of those doped up East Germans. I love Zabel and those big sprinters [M Hubner] from the track back in the day were magnificent. I don't care if they were the doping machine. If a person only could find a little book with all of their secrets.
