Jan is a SINNER!

I think this is a pretty good start on the JxxDxx FAQ.

Votes ?

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Rich Shewmaker said:

Jan, Jan, Jan.

You actually started a separate thread to make accusations against Peter
Bowditch and me. Then, in that thread (Peter Bowditch Can't Admit A Mistake)
you claimed that you had caught Peter in a LIE and then accused me of trying
to cover for him. With that, you gleefully crowed:

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Subject: Re: Peter Bowditch Can't Admit A Mistake
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 8/9/2003 9:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: [email hidden])

Credibility from both ZERO

Dishonesty from both 100%

Proof of ye good ole boy and girl club.

BUSTED!!!

AND NOT VERY BRIGHT!!!!!

Sly little tricks, a product of both organized medicine and Satan.

Jan

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Then, Jan, when it was politely proven to you that you were in error and
that the archives supported Peter's and my assertion of what we had said,
did you admit your error and apologize? NO! You skulked away, lacking human
decency, honesty, and plain good manners. I was willing to believe that you
had simply made an error, and forgive you. But your unwillingness to correct
the error leaves me no recourse but to believe that your slander was
intentional and evil.

Your bible says:

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

You have clearly broken that commandment and stand a sinner before your God.

I suggest that you pray to that God for forgiveness.

On second thought, don't bother.

Just go to Hell!

Most folks who are not brain dead who have been reading Jan Drew's
posts over the weeks, months, years realize that she is a very
disturbed woman and a pathologic liar.

Jan projects her own dishonest onto others. How often does she call
others liars?? How often does she say that people are proven liars??
How often does she say that she has proven ALL lies with posters own
words??

And yet the truth is that Jan proves that she is a liar by HER own
words and she rarely if ever proves that anyone has lied except in her
deluded brain.

She called me a liar for saying she felt better than she had in years
when she said she felt better than she had in 2 years. And after I
corrected it and said she felt better than she had in 2 years she
continued to call me a liar. And then when I mistakenly posted January
instead of June, Jan was quick to call me a liar.

The reason that Jan calls people liars is to try to discredit them in
the eyes of the other readers in this newsgroup. She believes that if
she can discredit those with whom she disagrees that she gets more
credibility.

But the reality is that Jan Drew is an unrepentant liar and bearer of
false witness against others and when it is pointed out to her she
ignores it. It is obvious that she spits on the Ten Commandments and
could care less about Jesus. She uses Jesus and God and Christianity
to support her own hatred and bigotry against atheists, Jews,
homosexuals.

Jan Drew's lies and bearing false witness and failure to acknowledge
her sins is proof enough of her evil nature. She must be confronted
about her lies, bearing false witness and hypocrisy.

And those who support Jan Drew and fail to confront her show their
true colors and are no better than Jan. They are just enabling her
evil behavior and revealing much about their own complete lack of
integrity. Anyone who can support Jan knowing her behavior in this
newsgroup is as sick as Jan IMO.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: Jan will likely start a new thread attacking me rather than answer
the accusations against her. Sad that.

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Rich Shewmaker said:

Jan, Jan, Jan.

You actually started a separate thread to make accusations against Peter
Bowditch and me. Then, in that thread (Peter Bowditch Can't Admit A

Mistake)

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you claimed that you had caught Peter in a LIE and then accused me of

trying

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to cover for him. With that, you gleefully crowed:

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Subject: Re: Peter Bowditch Can't Admit A Mistake
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 8/9/2003 9:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: [email hidden])

Credibility from both ZERO

Dishonesty from both 100%

Proof of ye good ole boy and girl club.

BUSTED!!!

AND NOT VERY BRIGHT!!!!!

Sly little tricks, a product of both organized medicine and Satan.

Jan

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Then, Jan, when it was politely proven to you that you were in error and
that the archives supported Peter's and my assertion of what we had said,
did you admit your error and apologize? NO! You skulked away, lacking

human

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decency, honesty, and plain good manners. I was willing to believe that

you

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had simply made an error, and forgive you. But your unwillingness to

correct

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the error leaves me no recourse but to believe that your slander was
intentional and evil.

Your bible says:

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

You have clearly broken that commandment and stand a sinner before your

God.

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I suggest that you pray to that God for forgiveness.

On second thought, don't bother.

Just go to Hell!

Most folks who are not brain dead who have been reading Jan Drew's
posts over the weeks, months, years realize that she is a very
disturbed woman and a pathologic liar.

Jan projects her own dishonest onto others. How often does she call
others liars?? How often does she say that people are proven liars??
How often does she say that she has proven ALL lies with posters own
words??

And yet the truth is that Jan proves that she is a liar by HER own
words and she rarely if ever proves that anyone has lied except in her
deluded brain.

She called me a liar for saying she felt better than she had in years
when she said she felt better than she had in 2 years. And after I
corrected it and said she felt better than she had in 2 years she
continued to call me a liar.

{ And then when I mistakenly posted January> instead of June, Jan was quick
to call me a liar. }

I never saw Jan call you a liar on this point! --rb

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The reason that Jan calls people liars is to try to discredit them in> the

eyes of the other readers in this newsgroup. She believes that if> she can
discredit those with whom she disagrees that she gets more> credibility.

You guy's aren't trying to discredit Jan by whatever means you can,
whether fair or foul??? --rb

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But the reality is that Jan Drew is an unrepentant liar and bearer of>

false witness against others and when it is pointed out to her she> ignores
it. It is obvious that she spits on the Ten Commandments and> could care
less about Jesus. She uses Jesus and God and Christianity

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to support her own hatred and bigotry against atheists, Jews,>

homosexuals.

You are mistaken. --rb

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Jan Drew's lies and bearing false witness and failure to acknowledge> her

sins is proof enough of her evil nature. She must be confronted> about her
lies, bearing false witness and hypocrisy.

Why should she acknowledge her sins to you? Who do you acknowledge your
sins to? --rb

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And those who support Jan Drew and fail to confront her show their> true

colors and are no better than Jan. They are just enabling her> evil behavior
and revealing much about their own complete lack of> integrity. Anyone who
can support Jan knowing her behavior in this> newsgroup is as sick as Jan
IMO.

Speaketh the judge jury and executioner??? --rb

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Aloha,

Rich

PS: Jan will likely start a new thread attacking me rather than answer>

the accusations against her. Sad that.

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--Rich

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Subject: Re: Jan is a SINNER!
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 8/11/2003 5:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Rich ,@. wrote:

This is what is known as bait.

Aloha Rich still badgering.

And LYING.

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The reason that Jan calls people liars is to try to discredit them

From: Richard Jacobson ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Effexor
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 1995/04/02

***And the statements just don't add up***Probably the best way to debunk these
claims is to demonstrate that the person making the claim is lying.

That's a wrap, and proof of Rich's transference of his weaknesses.

And all people are sinners.

Jan

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein

Do you believe in GOD Rich?
Anth

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:14:09 -1000, "Rich Shewmaker"
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Do you believe in GOD Rich?
Anth

Which Rich?

I don't.

Rich Shewmaker

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I suspect that Jan is just a very angry woman who believes that anyone
who has a POV that differs from hers is her enemy. And her tactic is
to repeatedly call her perceived enemies "liars" to discredit them.
And the fact that she fails to retract her own lies of calling others
liars speaks volumes about her own lack of integrity.

I just wonder how she can bear the hypocracy of believing herself to be a
practicing Christian while unapologetically violating the laws of her
religion.

--Rich

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Rich Shewmaker said:

"rb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Why should she acknowledge her sins to you? Who do you acknowledge

your

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sins to? --rb

If I were to accuse someone of lying and "dishonesty," and it were proven

to

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me that my accusations were false, I would acknowledge my error to the
world, and apologize to the person I offended.

Nothing was proven except that Mr. Bowditch lied which you don't seem to
be concerned about at all! That's hypocrisy you know.--rb

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Indeed. It is common courtesy to retract an accusation of lying and to
apologize if the accusation is untrue. Sadly Jan has no integrity in
addition to being a pathologic liar, in addition to being a chronic
bearer of false witness. Sad that.

But what of Peter who DID lie? --rb

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Perhaps her EGO is what prevents her behaving like a
proper lady.

I suspect that Jan is just a very angry woman who believes that anyone
who has a POV that differs from hers is her enemy. And her tactic is
to repeatedly call her perceived enemies "liars" to discredit them.
And the fact that she fails to retract her own lies of calling others
liars speaks volumes about her own lack of integrity.

And those who defend Jan are no better than her IMO. If one really
wants to be a friend to Jan they would be honest about her abusive
behavior. But the other pro-alts want to encourage Jan to be abusive
since they too cannot accept those with opinions that differ from
theirs and they like Jan simply want to discourage dissenters from
expressing their opinions. Sad that.

Rubbish! --rb

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It is pointless to get into discussions with either Jan or any of her
enablers. It is best just to confront Jan and her enablers with their
abusive/disruptive behavior.

More rubbish! --rb

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Jan has been variably successful with her abusive behavior to get some
posters to ignore her and give her free reign in posting her nonsense.
Her eventual goal is to get everyone to ignore her so she can express
her opinions completely unchallenged. But that will never happen.

You call alternative treatments such as mercury amalgam removal and
Chelation Therapy nonsense! Jan and other's of us don't. Every time we tell
the truth about these and other efficacious treatments you and certain
other's are sure to continually pipe in accusing her and other's of lying
just because your God's in the PMIC haven't seen fit to recognise or
acknowledge the legitimacy and superiority of the alternative treatments
over orthodox treatments, even agreeing with FDA policies that go so far as
forbidding the advertising of such alternative treatments as is the case
concerning Chelation Therapy's efficacy for coronary heart and vascular
disease's! You are all obviously FDA parrots who have dispersed with your
own minds and as a result you can't think for yourselves but continually
spout the lies of the FDA which is part of the PMIC!
The best that can be said about you guy's is that you're all liars and
don't know it. Many of you ARE liar's and do know it so when Jan calls them
liars she is not telling lies of any sort herself. --rb

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Aloha,

Rich

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You guy's aren't trying to discredit Jan by whatever means you can,
whether fair or foul??? --rb

We aren't trying at all. She is doing an excellent job of discrediting
herself without anyone else's help at all.

r

--
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

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rb said:

Nothing was proven except that Mr. Bowditch lied which you don't seem to
be concerned about at all! That's hypocrisy you know.--rb

Where?

rb,

Indeed! Where was the lie? Don't tell me you have redefined the term mistake
too.

r

--
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic."

Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

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(Jan) said:

Aloha Rich still badgering.

And LYING.

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***And the statements just don't add up***Probably the best way to debunk

these

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claims is to demonstrate that the person making the claim is lying.

That's a wrap, and proof of Rich's transference of his weaknesses.

The last statement is still another lie. Not a surprise.

Jan does not seem to understand the difference between *falsely*
accusing someone of lying as she does and honestly accusing someone of
lying as I do. Unlike Jan, when I accuse her of lying I prove it.

Lies are difficult to prove because they require not only that you
show that the statement is false but that the person who made the
statement knew that the statement was false.

I don't think Jan knew that her claim that Peter had fabricated my promise
to donate to Ratbags based on her postings was not true when she said it, so
by your definition, it was not a lie. But when, after being shown via the
archives that she is mistaken, she continues to splutter and spit, and
refuses to retract the error and apologize, it ceases to be a (not so
innocent) error, and gets promoted in status to a LIE.

--Rich --> Needless to say, still [censored] about being unjustly called
"dishonest."

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I suspect that Jan is just a very angry woman who believes that anyone
who has a POV that differs from hers is her enemy. And her tactic is
to repeatedly call her perceived enemies "liars" to discredit them.
And the fact that she fails to retract her own lies of calling others
liars speaks volumes about her own lack of integrity.

I just wonder how she can bear the hypocracy of believing herself to be a
practicing Christian while unapologetically violating the laws of her
religion.

Jan supplements her poverty of language, lack of education, and limited insight
with Cognitive Dissonance. Its the only thing that keeps her head from
exploding while she takes her Elavil & Neurontin with one hand and posts
"EEEEEEEeeeeevil Orrrrrrrrrganized Medicine" with the other.

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--Rich

Ilsa9 said:

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I think this is a pretty good start on the JxxDxx FAQ.

Votes ?

Yes. I'm conferring with representatives from various and sundry groups who
can assist us in the compilation of the Jan Drew FAQ.

The APA, DSM-IV contributors, the vested members of the CDC, FDA, AMA, CIA,
NSA, FBI, Gebeese and Quackwatch Board of Directors shall all have their input
on this thesis maximus.

You left out EOM, Inc.

Mark Probert said:

Ilsa9 said:

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I think this is a pretty good start on the JxxDxx FAQ.

Votes ?

Yes. I'm conferring with representatives from various and sundry groups who
can assist us in the compilation of the Jan Drew FAQ.

The APA, DSM-IV contributors, the vested members of the CDC, FDA, AMA, CIA,
NSA, FBI, Gebeese and Quackwatch Board of Directors shall all have their input
on this thesis maximus.

You left out EOM, Inc.

And ADA; EOD, Ltd.

WB said:

Mark Probert said:

Ilsa9 said:

>I think this is a pretty good start on the JxxDxx FAQ.
>
>Votes ?
>

Yes. I'm conferring with representatives from various and sundry groups who
can assist us in the compilation of the Jan Drew FAQ.

The APA, DSM-IV contributors, the vested members of the CDC, FDA, AMA, CIA,
NSA, FBI, Gebeese and Quackwatch Board of Directors shall all have their input
on this thesis maximus.

You left out EOM, Inc.

And ADA; EOD, Ltd.

And the I*********

--
Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
I'm a Bright. Are you?

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:53:29 -0000, Rich Andrews <[email hidden]>

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"rb" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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You guy's aren't trying to discredit Jan by whatever means you can,
whether fair or foul??? --rb

We aren't trying at all. She is doing an excellent job of discrediting
herself without anyone else's help at all.

Indeed. If anything we are simply guilty of belaboring the obvious.

Aloha,

Rich

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And in all fairness, considering the density of the subjects.
the only possible response is by nature repetitive.

WB

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I think this is a pretty good start on the JxxDxx FAQ.

Votes ?

@. said:

Rich Shewmaker said:

Jan, Jan, Jan.

You actually started a separate thread to make accusations against Peter
Bowditch and me. Then, in that thread (Peter Bowditch Can't Admit A

Mistake)

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you claimed that you had caught Peter in a LIE and then accused me of

trying

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to cover for him. With that, you gleefully crowed:

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>Subject: Re: Peter Bowditch Can't Admit A Mistake
>From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
>Date: 8/9/2003 9:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: [email hidden])

Credibility from both ZERO

Dishonesty from both 100%

Proof of ye good ole boy and girl club.

BUSTED!!!

AND NOT VERY BRIGHT!!!!!

Sly little tricks, a product of both organized medicine and Satan.

Jan

--------------- end of clip from Jan's post ----------------

Then, Jan, when it was politely proven to you that you were in error and
that the archives supported Peter's and my assertion of what we had

said,

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did you admit your error and apologize? NO! You skulked away, lacking

human

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decency, honesty, and plain good manners. I was willing to believe that

you

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had simply made an error, and forgive you. But your unwillingness to

correct

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the error leaves me no recourse but to believe that your slander was
intentional and evil.

Your bible says:

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

You have clearly broken that commandment and stand a sinner before your

God.

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I suggest that you pray to that God for forgiveness.

On second thought, don't bother.

Just go to Hell!

Most folks who are not brain dead who have been reading Jan Drew's
posts over the weeks, months, years realize that she is a very
disturbed woman and a pathologic liar.

Jan projects her own dishonest onto others. How often does she call
others liars?? How often does she say that people are proven liars??
How often does she say that she has proven ALL lies with posters own
words??

And yet the truth is that Jan proves that she is a liar by HER own
words and she rarely if ever proves that anyone has lied except in her
deluded brain.

She called me a liar for saying she felt better than she had in years
when she said she felt better than she had in 2 years. And after I
corrected it and said she felt better than she had in 2 years she
continued to call me a liar. And then when I mistakenly posted January
instead of June, Jan was quick to call me a liar.

The reason that Jan calls people liars is to try to discredit them in
the eyes of the other readers in this newsgroup. She believes that if
she can discredit those with whom she disagrees that she gets more
credibility.

But the reality is that Jan Drew is an unrepentant liar and bearer of
false witness against others and when it is pointed out to her she
ignores it. It is obvious that she spits on the Ten Commandments and
could care less about Jesus. She uses Jesus and God and Christianity
to support her own hatred and bigotry against atheists, Jews,
homosexuals.

Jan Drew's lies and bearing false witness and failure to acknowledge
her sins is proof enough of her evil nature. She must be confronted
about her lies, bearing false witness and hypocrisy.

And those who support Jan Drew and fail to confront her show their
true colors and are no better than Jan. They are just enabling her
evil behavior and revealing much about their own complete lack of
integrity. Anyone who can support Jan knowing her behavior in this
newsgroup is as sick as Jan IMO.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: Jan will likely start a new thread attacking me rather than answer
the accusations against her. Sad that.

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--Rich

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