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  1. Did anyone see this last night? I doubt it was shown outside Wales.

    Jamie climbed Snowdon for the first time in his life. He was well impressed
    and IIRC he recommended that everyone should do it! Nooooo!!!! It's busy
    enough up there as it is!

    Much mention was made about how dangerous and life-threatening it was. Well
    in bad weather yes, and on certain routes yes, but following the path from
    Llanberis on a hot summer's day along with thousands of other people? He
    mentioned the risk of getting lost, but how exactly? Granted it may be
    possible away from the beaten track in bad weather, but even in zero
    visibility, surely no-one could lose the path unless they made a specific
    point of walking away from it? It took him over four hours to reach the
    summit via the Llanberis path.

    The day before, he met Sam Roberts, chief warden at Pen y Pass (who reckons
    that he's climbed Snowdon, on average, once per week for the last 32 years -
    that's 1,664 ascents!) and he asked whether he would advise people to walk
    up Snowdon in the "grim" weather that day. Sam replied; "It's horrible.
    There is a perverse enjoyment in simply getting to the top, I guess, but
    it's not a nice experience at all."

    That really surprised me, from the park warden! To suggest that the
    satisfaction of reaching the summit was the only possible reason for
    climbing a mountain in bad weather is way off the mark IMO. Maybe he said
    that just for the cameras and for the benefit of the mountain rescue, but
    I've done many rain and hill fog walks that I've thoroughly enjoyed
    (although not all of them). It's not just the challenge, I really like the
    atmosphere of walking in rain (provided my waterproofs are up to the task)
    and the sight of rocky crags appearing out of the mist is really
    atmospheric, I love that! I remember when Janet Street Porter climbed
    Cadair Idris in the rain and fog, she slagged it off too, claiming to be
    miserable. Why can't some people enjoy the hills when the sun isn't
    shining? That suggests to me that they're more interested in the weather
    than the mountains. They may as well just lay on the beach! ;-)

    Anyway, getting back to the point. In spite of climbing up there with a
    thousand other walkers, when he reached the summit, the camera shot him
    ascending the steps to a completely empty cairn! Yeah right! "THIS IS THE
    BBC! PLEASE CLEAR THE AREA!" He then told the camera that he'd missed the
    last train and so was the last person on the mountain, and he had it all to
    himself! Yeah right! Early evening on a beautiful summer's day on Snowdon?
    No chance! I bet the crowds were all being held back behind the cameraman!

    The parting shot showed him striding off across a grassy slope. All alone
    on the mountain? Never climbed a mountain before? Night rapidly
    approaching? Wandering away from the path? Now that's the way to get lost
    Jamie! ;-)

    Paul

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    The parting shot showed him striding off across a grassy slope. All alone
    on the mountain? Never climbed a mountain before? Night rapidly
    approaching? Wandering away from the path? Now that's the way to get lost
    Jamie! ;-)

    Come now Paul, he wouldn't, couldn't get lost - he just had to follow
    the power cable for camera/sound equipment to where it was plugged in-
    Pete's Eats in Llanberis :-) or the Electric Mountain !

    I've never seen the summit cairn so devoid of humans though !

    After all the preamble about the PYG track, I thought we'd have seen him
    ascend that way ! I also noticed the summit cafe did not feature at all
    in the programme. Pete's Eats did though.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  3. Ysgrifennodd "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

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    Did anyone see this last night? I doubt it was shown outside Wales.


    Missed it, but i had a sneaky feeling it would be disappointing.

    I can't imagine anybody shifting for the Beeb on the top, unless they got
    paid for it, I for one definately wouldnt have moved for them!

    And as far as just getting on and enjoying the rain, or whatever pleasures
    the walk brings, i'd be suprised from this lot (luvvies). The guy is just
    getting paid (a fair amount of cash i'd reckon) to present and i doubt has
    much serious interest in it outside feeding his family (and a bit more i'd
    imagine) and mabye just curiosity about wales. Its just a job. Sad to hear
    the warden felt the same way about his, but i can imagine walking could take
    on a different perspective if you *had* to do it. We do have the choice of
    staying in bed and if we go out in foul weather have only ourselves to
    curse, or thank, at the day's end.

    I definately agree that foul weathe can be an excellent time to be in the
    hills (I say, can, not- is), the atmosphere is different somehow. It's
    definately quieter!

    T Dave R

    --

    Walking Away from Snowdon's Summit, (Step away! STEP AWAY! Put your flasks
    and sandwiches on the ground and walk slowly forward....)
    www.walkeryri.org.uk

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, Dafydd Ap Arwyn
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Missed it, but i had a sneaky feeling it would be disappointing.

    It wasn't disappointing, Paul was just giving his take on the programme.
    Remember the programme is for the general public and in that context was
    very interesting.
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  5. W. D. Grey said:

    Come now Paul, he wouldn't, couldn't get lost - he just had to follow
    the power cable for camera/sound equipment to where it was plugged in-
    Pete's Eats in Llanberis :-) or the Electric Mountain !

    Quite! Or maybe wait for the "special" train to come and pick them up after
    the last "official" train had left. I'm sure the BBC could afford to entice
    them to do an extra run! ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I've never seen the summit cairn so devoid of humans though !

    Exactly! I didn't believe that, it just didn't ring true. Not in that
    weather, not in the middle of summer. There were probably a number of
    people camped nearby.

    Quoted message said:

    After all the preamble about the PYG track, I thought we'd have seen
    him ascend that way !

    They'd probably planned to take that route originally because it was the
    shortest on the map. However, in the meantime, warden Sam probably
    explained the concept of "ascent" to him, thus causing a rethink...

    Quoted message said:

    I also noticed the summit cafe did not feature
    at all in the programme. Pete's Eats did though.

    Music journalist Stuart Maconie, that he met there, at least had the sense
    to leave Jamie's overcrowded track to take a "less-travelled route" to the
    summit.

    Paul

  6. Ysgrifennodd "W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Dafydd Ap Arwyn
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Missed it, but i had a sneaky feeling it would be disappointing.

    It wasn't disappointing, Paul was just giving his take on the programme.
    Remember the programme is for the general public and in that context was
    very interesting.

    I see what you mean.
    Still sounds like I didn't miss much as I would have been wearing my
    'walker' hat as opposed to my 'general public' hat!
    I think last night would also have been a bad night as i was also wearing my
    'peed off cos i'm staying late at work on my birthday' hat, which is none
    too attractive. I think the whole idea of transferring the activity to TV in
    any shape or form is difficult anyway.

    What I'm thinking might have been useful is the tourism slant of the
    program, as we teach aspects of that at school. Have to see if there is a
    re-run (on good ole terrestial) when i can watch it bare headed.

    T Dave R

  7. Dafydd Ap Arwyn said:

    And as far as just getting on and enjoying the rain, or whatever
    pleasures the walk brings, i'd be suprised from this lot (luvvies).

    To be honest, they didn't really seem to have a clue about it. If the
    warden hadn't specifically recommended that they wait until the next day,
    they may just have gone ahead and attempted it, not realising how much worse
    it would have been higher up. Apparently the winds were pretty strong that
    day.

    Quoted message said:

    The guy is just getting paid (a fair amount of cash i'd reckon) to
    present and i doubt has much serious interest in it outside feeding
    his family (and a bit more i'd imagine) and mabye just curiosity
    about wales. Its just a job.

    Oh I think it's more than just curiosity, the guy seems to love Wales, but
    he's more of a sailor than a walker. His last series was all about sailing
    around the coast of Wales. In this series he's exploring inland Wales, but
    the first episode involved canoeing down the Wye, so he's obviously got more
    of an affinity with water than hilltops.

    Quoted message said:

    Sad to hear the warden felt the same way
    about his, but i can imagine walking could take on a different
    perspective if you *had* to do it. We do have the choice of staying
    in bed and if we go out in foul weather have only ourselves to curse,
    or thank, at the day's end.

    Yes, I'd hate to "have" to go out walking. A number of times over the years
    people have suggested that I look for work that involved walking, but I've
    always thought that would be the best way to kill my interest in it. I like
    being able to choose when to go out, and being able to choose when not to!
    I'd hate having to go out every day no matter what.

    As for the warden, I was surprised at his comments, but then again, if you'd
    climbed it as many times as he has, I guess the novelty would have worn off
    by now!

    Besides, as I said, those comments may have been for the benefit of the
    camera. It's in his interest to discourage inexperienced walkers from going
    out in bad conditions.

    Quoted message said:

    I definately agree that foul weathe can be an excellent time to be in
    the hills (I say, can, not- is), the atmosphere is different somehow.
    It's definately quieter!

    Indeed. Yet there are some places where you'll always find people, no
    matter what the weather.

    Paul

  8. W. D. Grey said:
    Quoted message said:

    Missed it, but i had a sneaky feeling it would be disappointing.

    It wasn't disappointing, Paul was just giving his take on the
    programme.

    Quoted message said:

    Remember the programme is for the general public and in
    that context was very interesting.

    I agree, it wasn't disappointing from a general point of view. It obviously
    wasn't aimed at serious hill walkers, but few programmes are and I didn't
    expect that.

    Paul

  9. "Dafydd Ap Arwyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Ysgrifennodd "W. D. Grey" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Dafydd Ap Arwyn
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Missed it, but i had a sneaky feeling it would be disappointing.

    It wasn't disappointing, Paul was just giving his take on the programme.
    Remember the programme is for the general public and in that context was
    very interesting.

    I see what you mean.
    Still sounds like I didn't miss much as I would have been wearing my
    'walker' hat as opposed to my 'general public' hat!
    I think last night would also have been a bad night as i was also wearing
    my 'peed off cos i'm staying late at work on my birthday' hat, which is
    none too attractive. I think the whole idea of transferring the activity
    to TV in any shape or form is difficult anyway.

    What I'm thinking might have been useful is the tourism slant of the
    program, as we teach aspects of that at school. Have to see if there is a
    re-run (on good ole terrestial) when i can watch it bare headed.

    T Dave R


    What hacks me off about him last night and also the chap called Trevor
    Fishlock, is the way they wear their rucksacks on one shoulder only. They
    seem to think it's de rigeur. Don't they know about balanced loads?

  10. Dafydd Ap Arwyn said:

    Still sounds like I didn't miss much as I would have been wearing my
    'walker' hat as opposed to my 'general public' hat!

    Same here. It was moderately interesting, but I'll probably wipe the video.

    Quoted message said:

    I think last night would also have been a bad night as i was also
    wearing my 'peed off cos i'm staying late at work on my birthday'
    hat, which is none too attractive.

    Happy birthday!

    Quoted message said:

    I think the whole idea of
    transferring the activity to TV in any shape or form is difficult
    anyway.

    Agreed. It doesn't translate well to film.

    Many years ago I remember watching a series about 4 youngsters doing the
    Pennine Way. I seem to recall that was quite good. The two lads tended to
    be in front at the start of the walk but later the girls were often in
    front. I remember one bit where one guy tried to jump across a bog and went
    straight in, right up to his waist! Anybody remember that series?

    Paul

  11. Michael Hobby said:

    What hacks me off about him last night and also the chap called
    Trevor Fishlock, is the way they wear their rucksacks on one shoulder
    only. They seem to think it's de rigeur. Don't they know about
    balanced loads?

    They probably don't even carry them, they'll get the camera crew to do that
    for them! Whenever they need to do a take they'll just hand over the
    rucksack, sling it over their shoulder, walk a few yards, then hand it
    back... ;-)

    I just checked and I noticed he kept switching sides.

    Paul

  12. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did anyone see this last night? I doubt it was shown outside Wales.

    Jamie climbed Snowdon for the first time in his life. He was well


    impressed

    Quoted message said:

    and IIRC he recommended that everyone should do it! Nooooo!!!! It's busy
    enough up there as it is!

    Much mention was made about how dangerous and life-threatening it was.


    Well

    Quoted message said:

    in bad weather yes, and on certain routes yes, but following the path from
    Llanberis on a hot summer's day along with thousands of other people?

    certainly not - never ever underestimate mountains like snowdon. i've been
    up there in june, and in llanberis its been like the bahamas but at the top
    of snowdon its so misty as to reduce visibility to a few feet, and as cold
    as a freezer.

    the weather can also change very very quickly up there. sure most of the
    time you're ok, but never get complacent.

    He

    Quoted message said:

    mentioned the risk of getting lost, but how exactly? Granted it may be
    possible away from the beaten track in bad weather, but even in zero
    visibility, surely no-one could lose the path unless they made a specific
    point of walking away from it? It took him over four hours to reach the
    summit via the Llanberis path.

    The day before, he met Sam Roberts, chief warden at Pen y Pass (who


    reckons

    Quoted message said:

    that he's climbed Snowdon, on average, once per week for the last 32


    years -

    Quoted message said:

    that's 1,664 ascents!) and he asked whether he would advise people to walk
    up Snowdon in the "grim" weather that day. Sam replied; "It's horrible.
    There is a perverse enjoyment in simply getting to the top, I guess, but
    it's not a nice experience at all."

    That really surprised me, from the park warden! To suggest that the
    satisfaction of reaching the summit was the only possible reason for
    climbing a mountain in bad weather is way off the mark IMO. Maybe he said
    that just for the cameras and for the benefit of the mountain rescue, but
    I've done many rain and hill fog walks that I've thoroughly enjoyed
    (although not all of them). It's not just the challenge, I really like


    the

    Quoted message said:

    atmosphere of walking in rain (provided my waterproofs are up to the task)
    and the sight of rocky crags appearing out of the mist is really
    atmospheric, I love that! I remember when Janet Street Porter climbed
    Cadair Idris in the rain and fog, she slagged it off too, claiming to be
    miserable. Why can't some people enjoy the hills when the sun isn't
    shining? That suggests to me that they're more interested in the weather
    than the mountains. They may as well just lay on the beach! ;-)

    Anyway, getting back to the point. In spite of climbing up there with a
    thousand other walkers, when he reached the summit, the camera shot him
    ascending the steps to a completely empty cairn! Yeah right! "THIS IS


    THE

    Quoted message said:

    BBC! PLEASE CLEAR THE AREA!" He then told the camera that he'd missed


    the

    Quoted message said:

    last train and so was the last person on the mountain, and he had it all


    to

    Quoted message said:

    himself! Yeah right! Early evening on a beautiful summer's day on


    Snowdon?

    Quoted message said:

    No chance! I bet the crowds were all being held back behind the


    cameraman!

    Quoted message said:


    The parting shot showed him striding off across a grassy slope. All alone
    on the mountain? Never climbed a mountain before? Night rapidly
    approaching? Wandering away from the path? Now that's the way to get


    lost

    Quoted message said:

    Jamie! ;-)

    Paul

  13. Ysgrifennodd "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dafydd Ap Arwyn said:

    Still sounds like I didn't miss much as I would have been wearing my
    'walker' hat as opposed to my 'general public' hat!

    Same here. It was moderately interesting, but I'll probably wipe the
    video.

    Quoted message said:

    I think last night would also have been a bad night as i was also
    wearing my 'peed off cos i'm staying late at work on my birthday'
    hat, which is none too attractive.

    Happy birthday!

    Thank You!

    T Dave R

  14. Ysgrifennodd "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> mewn neges
    newyddion:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dafydd Ap Arwyn said:

    Still sounds like I didn't miss much as I would have been wearing my
    'walker' hat as opposed to my 'general public' hat!

    Same here. It was moderately interesting, but I'll probably wipe the
    video.

    Quoted message said:

    I think last night would also have been a bad night as i was also
    wearing my 'peed off cos i'm staying late at work on my birthday'
    hat, which is none too attractive.

    Happy birthday!

    Thank You!

    T Dave R

  15. "Dafydd Ap Arwyn" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I definately agree that foul weathe can be an excellent time to be in the
    hills (I say, can, not- is), the atmosphere is different somehow. It's
    definately quieter!

    I like walking in mist, not too keen on wind and rain though, unless it's
    being viewed through a tent door. Waking up to a storm and sitting it out
    in a tent for a few hours can be a very pleasurable experience.

  16. "Michael Hobby" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    What hacks me off about him last night and also the chap called Trevor
    Fishlock, is the way they wear their rucksacks on one shoulder only. They
    seem to think it's de rigeur. Don't they know about balanced loads?

    Try it, it's very comfy. Beats me why no one else does.

  17. Paul Saunders said:

    Besides, as I said, those comments may have been for the benefit of the
    camera. It's in his interest to discourage inexperienced walkers from going
    out in bad conditions.


    Not having a 'pop' at you Paul but how does an inexperienced walker
    gain experience?

    Or maybe what about the occasion when the 'inexperienced' walker sets
    off in 'perfect' conditions only for the weather to dramatically
    worsen.

    Shouldn't it just be down to common sense?

  18. Paul Saunders said:

    Besides, as I said, those comments may have been for the benefit of the
    camera. It's in his interest to discourage inexperienced walkers from going
    out in bad conditions.


    Not having a 'pop' at you Paul but how does an inexperienced walker
    gain experience?

    Or maybe what about the occasion when the 'inexperienced' walker sets
    off in 'perfect' conditions only for the weather to dramatically
    worsen.

    Shouldn't it just be down to common sense?

  19. Dafydd Ap Arwyn said:

    I definately agree that foul weathe can be an excellent time to be in the
    hills (I say, can, not- is), the atmosphere is different somehow. It's
    definately quieter!

    I don't often go when it's rainy, but I do agree that rainy hill days
    can be very enjoyable. It's one of the things that are probably best
    in hindsight.
    --
    Rudi Winter, Aberystwyth, Wales

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:


    Paul Saunders said:

    Besides, as I said, those comments may have been for the benefit of the
    camera. It's in his interest to discourage inexperienced walkers from going
    out in bad conditions.


    Not having a 'pop' at you Paul but how does an inexperienced walker
    gain experience?

    Or maybe what about the occasion when the 'inexperienced' walker sets
    off in 'perfect' conditions only for the weather to dramatically
    worsen.

    Shouldn't it just be down to common sense?

    The old saying goes:

    Good judgement is the result of experience and experience is the result
    of bad judgement!

    --

    Dominic Sexton

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