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Ewoud Dronkert · 2006-04-23T14:59:05+00:00

In the London marathon: LAURENT JALABERT Runner No.: 56518 Nationality: FRA Position (Overall): 988 Position (Gender): 932 Position (Age group): 423 Splits KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31 HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52 KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39 -- E. Dronkert

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Ewoud Dronkert
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23 April 2006, 14:59 UTC #1

In the London marathon:
LAURENT JALABERT
Runner No.: 56518
Nationality: FRA
Position (Overall): 988
Position (Gender): 932
Position (Age group): 423
Splits
KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31
HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52
KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39
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benjo maso
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23 April 2006, 15:31 UTC #2

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In the London marathon:
LAURENT JALABERT
Runner No.: 56518
Nationality: FRA
Position (Overall): 988
Position (Gender): 932
Position (Age group): 423
Splits
KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31
HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52
KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39
He clearly overestimated his powers:
KM 0-10 38'49"
KM 10-20 38'42" (15.5 km/h)
KM 20-30 40'21"
KM 30-40 48'09" (12,5 km/h)
KM 40-finish 11'38" (11,2 km/h)
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matabala
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23 April 2006, 16:10 UTC #3

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In the London marathon:
LAURENT JALABERT
Runner No.: 56518
Nationality: FRA
Position (Overall): 988
Position (Gender): 932
Position (Age group): 423
Splits
KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31
HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52
KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39

but not as fast as his first try @ 2:55! Looks like he went out too fast.

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Phil Holman
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23 April 2006, 16:19 UTC #4

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In the London marathon:
LAURENT JALABERT
Runner No.: 56518
Nationality: FRA
Position (Overall): 988
Position (Gender): 932
Position (Age group): 423
Splits
KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31
HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52
KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39
He clearly overestimated his powers:
KM 0-10 38'49"
KM 10-20 38'42" (15.5 km/h)
KM 20-30 40'21"
KM 30-40 48'09" (12,5 km/h)
KM 40-finish 11'38" (11,2 km/h)

It wasn't as though he ran a 1/2 marathon and blew up. Assuming he
didn't bonk, there is another dimension to leg conditioning which has to
withstand 3 hours of pounding the pavement while maintaining stride
length and cadence. He did really well if it was his first time running
a marathon.
Phil H
(Seattle marathon 1981)

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John Forrest Tomlinson
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23 April 2006, 17:01 UTC #5

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
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He did really well if it was his first time running
a marathon.
It wasn't.
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Phil Holman
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23 April 2006, 18:58 UTC #6

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He did really well if it was his first time running
a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Phil H

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John Forrest Tomlinson
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23 April 2006, 20:21 UTC #7

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:58:47 -0700, "Phil Holman"
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
piholmanc@yourservice said:
He did really well if it was his first time running
a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Under 3 hours is cat 2. Under 2:40 is cat 1. Under 2:20 is pro.
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Phil Holman
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23 April 2006, 20:51 UTC #8

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
<piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>He did really well if it was his first time running
>a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Under 3 hours is cat 2. Under 2:40 is cat 1. Under 2:20 is pro.
I don't think we'll be seeing Jalabert going under 2-20 any time soon.
As for Lance, I predict a 2:40.
Phil H

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mal
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23 April 2006, 23:34 UTC #9

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"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In the London marathon:
LAURENT JALABERT
Runner No.: 56518
Nationality: FRA
Position (Overall): 988
Position (Gender): 932
Position (Age group): 423
Splits
KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31
HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52
KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39

but not as fast as his first try @ 2:55! Looks like he went out too fast.
Depends on the course. If his first was Rotterdam, which is very flat, its
probably similar.

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Colin Campbell
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24 April 2006, 00:19 UTC #10

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In the London marathon:
LAURENT JALABERT
Runner No.: 56518
Nationality: FRA
Position (Overall): 988
Position (Gender): 932
Position (Age group): 423
Splits
KM10 0:38:49 KM20 1:17:31
HALF 1:21:40 KM30 1:57:52
KM40 2:46:01 FINISH 2:57:39
but not as fast as his first try @ 2:55! Looks like he went out too fast.
Depends on the course. If his first was Rotterdam, which is very flat, its
probably similar.

I think I read that Ja-Ja first ran in the New York Marathon.

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RJG
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24 April 2006, 03:19 UTC #11

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
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>He did really well if it was his first time running
>a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Under 3 hours is cat 2. Under 2:40 is cat 1. Under 2:20 is pro.

2:20 is only pro if you are a US runner. In London, the first 7 runners were
under 2:08. In international competition, even 2:10 anymore only wins you a
"leipheimer" rating--i.e. nice finish, but not a contender.

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Kurgan Gringioni
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24 April 2006, 03:22 UTC #12

Phil Holman said:
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
piholmanc@yourservice said:
He did really well if it was his first time running
a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Dumbass -
At least he isn't turning into a Fattie ala Merckx and Lemond.
Good for Jalabert.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.

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John Forrest Tomlinson
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24 April 2006, 11:16 UTC #13

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> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
> <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
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>>He did really well if it was his first time running
>>a marathon.
>
> It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Under 3 hours is cat 2. Under 2:40 is cat 1. Under 2:20 is pro.

2:20 is only pro if you are a US runner. In London, the first 7 runners were
under 2:08. In international competition, even 2:10 anymore only wins you a
"leipheimer" rating--i.e. nice finish, but not a contender.
So you're saying all bike racing pros can win in international pro
races? No.
JT
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Smack
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24 April 2006, 19:21 UTC #14

Rolf did better. 2:42 is fast.
from CN a couple days ago:
"Former T-Mobile rider Rolf Aldag finished 31st in his marathon debut
this weekend. The tall German had announced that he was aiming for a
finish time of 2 hours and 45 minutes, and came in almost exactly on
time, at 2:42:57. "That was brutal," Aldag said. "I started out much
too fast."

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Tony S.
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26 April 2006, 03:43 UTC #15

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
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He did really well if it was his first time running
a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Actually though he was a truly great rider, JaJa was never among the elite
in the aerobic engine department. Though he got much better in the GC, he
started with a sprinter's genes and never really excelled in GC or in the
time trial.
-Tony
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Howard Kveck
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26 April 2006, 04:30 UTC #16

In article <w%B3g.406$%N2.105@trnddc08>,
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
<piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>He did really well if it was his first time running
>a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Actually though he was a truly great rider, JaJa was never among the elite
in the aerobic engine department. Though he got much better in the GC, he
started with a sprinter's genes and never really excelled in GC or in the
time trial.
1997 World Championship in the ITT and the overall in the 1995 Vuelta a
Espana would seem to be fairly respectable finishes to me. If you look through
his palmares, there are more than a few decent ITT results.
http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/france.Jalabert-L.htm
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Stu Fleming
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26 April 2006, 10:25 UTC #17

John Forrest Tomlinson said:
Yeah, he only won one world championship in the TT and one grand tour
on GC. And those four and six hour one day races and four and five
day stage races he mainly won by just waiting for the sprint at the
end....
Jalabert is the ultimate Adrenaline Hypothesis rider.

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John Forrest Tomlinson
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26 April 2006, 10:27 UTC #18

Tony S. said:
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:19:50 -0700, "Phil Holman"
<piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>He did really well if it was his first time running
>a marathon.
It wasn't.
So I see from matabala's post. The former world class cyclist has a
performance equivalent to a cat III of the running population. We know
it isn't aerobic capacity.
Actually though he was a truly great rider, JaJa was never among the elite
in the aerobic engine department. Though he got much better in the GC, he
started with a sprinter's genes and never really excelled in GC or in the
time trial.
Yeah, he only won one world championship in the TT and one grand tour
on GC. And those four and six hour one day races and four and five
day stage races he mainly won by just waiting for the sprint at the
end....
JT
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