Jailed for violent attack on cyclist

"Wallace Shackleton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl
(another court?)

A juvenile so cannot be named or any proceedings reported??

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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl
(another court?)

A juvenile so cannot be named or any proceedings reported??

Surely the fact that it was against a cyclist is just incidental in this report. It's just another
unprovoked assault that's sadly all to common.

Not wishing particularly to get anyones back up here but it sometimes seems that the group has a
morbid fascination with any and all accidents/incidents involving cyclists.

I read enough of this kind of thing in my morning paper and the repetition of a story that has no
particular relevance to cycling isn't really what I follow this group for.

What do others think?

Tim

Surely the fact that it was against a cyclist is just incidental in this report. It's just another
unprovoked assault that's sadly all to common.

Not wishing particularly to get anyones back up here but it sometimes seems that the group has a
morbid fascination with any and all accidents/incidents involving cyclists.

I read enough of this kind of thing in my morning paper and the repetition of a story that has no
particular relevance to cycling isn't really what I follow this group for.

What do others think?

Tim

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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl
(another court?)

As Tony said, cases in youth court are not normally reported in the Press (at least in England) -
but as for compensation it may be possible the [censored] doesn't have any money and him and the girl
are probably worthless, brainless drug addicts (which would account for the irrational and violent
behaviour). So its not worth trying to fine him for the money, and it would be hard to make him do
£1600 worth of work in prison on a 6 month stretch.

This is particularly nasty case, although in the south they would have just nicked the bike rather
than trash it and tried to sell it for drugs.... they seem really vindictive.

I tend to avoid people whom I don't know when cycling around. Then again I can be fast when I need
to be and usually leave any idiots behind...

BTW is Scotland *really* this bad? I seem to be reading a lot of reports (also on the news) about
serious violence in Scotland (against cyclists, ethnic groups etc) and it is actually putting me off
considering travel North of the Border - yet I know there are loads of decent people up there!

Alex

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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl
(another court?)

As Tony said, cases in youth court are not normally reported in the Press (at least in England) -
but as for compensation it may be possible the [censored] doesn't have any money and him and the girl
are probably worthless, brainless drug addicts (which would account for the irrational and violent
behaviour). So its not worth trying to fine him for the money, and it would be hard to make him do
£1600 worth of work in prison on a 6 month stretch.

This is particularly nasty case, although in the south they would have just nicked the bike rather
than trash it and tried to sell it for drugs.... they seem really vindictive.

I tend to avoid people whom I don't know when cycling around. Then again I can be fast when I need
to be and usually leave any idiots behind...

BTW is Scotland *really* this bad? I seem to be reading a lot of reports (also on the news) about
serious violence in Scotland (against cyclists, ethnic groups etc) and it is actually putting me off
considering travel North of the Border - yet I know there are loads of decent people up there!

Alex

"Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Surely the fact that it was against a cyclist is just incidental in this report. It's just another
unprovoked assault that's sadly all to common.

Not wishing particularly to get anyones back up here but it sometimes

seems

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that the group has a morbid fascination with any and all

accidents/incidents

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involving cyclists.

I *don't* think its a morbid fascination at all ; more the understandable reactions of a group which
although large is still to an extent marginalised and even *hated* (to the point of violence) by
other areas of society

On other boards discussing sports there are lurid accounts of accidents and incidents. If you read a
message board or group talking about rave parties you will see a lot of threads about police action,
or violent incidents that have occured at events.

If you read a message board for ethnic groups, you often see reports about racist attacks.

If you read a group about pets; you see threads where people discuss how their pet has got ill or
even passed away.

This time yesterday two years ago every net group was talking about 9/11 - *whatever* the group was
actually set up for.

IMO its a way of dealing with bad situations; by discussing them. Out of this discussion comes a
release of negative feelings, and also sometimes ways of avoiding the negative event for others or
dealing with it when it could be unavoidable. We cannot wear rose tinted specs all the time (apart
from those goggles the racing types sometimes wear) 😉

Alex

"Tim Downie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Surely the fact that it was against a cyclist is just incidental in this report. It's just another
unprovoked assault that's sadly all to common.

Not wishing particularly to get anyones back up here but it sometimes

seems

Quoted message said:

that the group has a morbid fascination with any and all

accidents/incidents

Quoted message said:

involving cyclists.

I *don't* think its a morbid fascination at all ; more the understandable reactions of a group which
although large is still to an extent marginalised and even *hated* (to the point of violence) by
other areas of society

On other boards discussing sports there are lurid accounts of accidents and incidents. If you read a
message board or group talking about rave parties you will see a lot of threads about police action,
or violent incidents that have occured at events.

If you read a message board for ethnic groups, you often see reports about racist attacks.

If you read a group about pets; you see threads where people discuss how their pet has got ill or
even passed away.

This time yesterday two years ago every net group was talking about 9/11 - *whatever* the group was
actually set up for.

IMO its a way of dealing with bad situations; by discussing them. Out of this discussion comes a
release of negative feelings, and also sometimes ways of avoiding the negative event for others or
dealing with it when it could be unavoidable. We cannot wear rose tinted specs all the time (apart
from those goggles the racing types sometimes wear) 😉

Alex

"Wallace Shackleton" wrote

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From today's Courier and Advertiser...

"Jailed for violent attack on cyclist "AN UNPROVOKED and violent attack against a young man
cycling home from

Should have just whacked him with a ton of metal, glass and plastic. 100 pound fine and an
invitation to the judge's gaff for a barbeque and drinks seems to be the norm for this.

--
Rob

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:46:05 +0100 someone who may be Wallace Shackleton <[email hidden]>
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From today's Courier and Advertiser...

"Jailed for violent attack on cyclist

I wonder if the police will have as much success in the search for someone else who mounted another
violent attack on a cyclist.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:10:16 +0100 someone who may be "Tony W" <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl (another
court?)

A juvenile so cannot be named or any proceedings reported??

It would depend on her age. She might have been dealt with by the Children's Panel, though I don't
know what age they go up to.

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keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:35:18 +0100 someone who may be "Mr R@t \(2.3 zulu-alpha\) [comms room 2]"
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BTW is Scotland *really* this bad?

Yes and no. It was in Glenrothes, which explains part of it.

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I seem to be reading a lot of reports (also on the news) about serious violence in Scotland
(against cyclists, ethnic groups etc)

Scotland is not particularly violent. However, like most places there are people who are too stupid
to be able to talk and so resort to fighting.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:35:18 +0100 someone who may be "Mr R@t \(2.3 zulu-alpha\) [comms room 2]"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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BTW is Scotland *really* this bad?

Yes and no. It was in Glenrothes, which explains part of it.

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I seem to be reading a lot of reports (also on the news) about serious violence in Scotland
(against cyclists, ethnic groups etc)

Scotland is not particularly violent. However, like most places there are people who are too
stupid to be able to talk and so resort to fighting.

I guess its just the BBC who just like emphasising the negative (same as down south); and that in
some deprived areas there is little else for people to do apart from act in a primitive manner; and
my own wariness of new/strange places.

As for the thugs, I would have said the Fiscal should have them "hangit, gralloched and fed tae wee
homeless catties"; but that is *too* barbaric. You should not feed cats with such bad quality meat.

Alex

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:10:16 +0100 someone who may be "Tony W" <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl (another
court?)

A juvenile so cannot be named or any proceedings reported??

It would depend on her age. She might have been dealt with by the Children's Panel, though I don't
know what age they go up to.

In English Law (and I know we are talking Scottish Law here) you cannot name juveniles unless there
are special circumstances (the Bulger case was one) but they are criminally responsible from (I
think) 10.

I would guess that the Scots are similar -- give or take a bit of interpretation or a year or so
here or there.

But, that was the reason for my ?? at the end.

T

Mr R@t \(2.3 zulu-alpha\) comms room 2 said:

"Wallace Shackleton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl (another
court?)

As Tony said, cases in youth court are not normally reported in the Press (at least in England) -
but as for compensation it may be possible the [censored] doesn't have any money and him and the girl
are probably worthless, brainless drug addicts (which would account for the irrational and violent
behaviour). So its not worth trying to fine him for the money, and it would be hard to make him do
£1600 worth of work in prison on a 6 month stretch.

<SNIP>

When I was done over by thug, the police asked what I wanted to see happen. As they wouldn't let me
come to the station and poke him with sharp sticks, I was forced to settle for a conventional
prosecution.

I was a bit disappointed that my fractured skull didn't get him sent down but I did get compensation
(from him) of, iirc, 900UKP. I never really expected to see it - on the basis that people with
facial tattoos are unlikely to be high earners. Custody of his pit-bull terrier seemed more likely.

I received it over the next couple of years, week by week, in the form of cheques from the court in
odd values such as UKP1.73 or 17.62.

At the end, I reckoned a couple of beers every week for two years was, actually, not bad recompense.

David Hansen said:

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I seem to be reading a lot of reports (also on the news) about serious violence in Scotland
(against cyclists, ethnic groups etc)

Scotland is not particularly violent.

It's the only place I have ever seen anyone ague and then fight with a lamppost! There again it was
probably the most exciting thing to do in Crieff on a Sunday night.

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Mr R@t \(2.3 zulu-alpha\) comms room 2 said:

"Wallace Shackleton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No mention about restitution for the bike, nor any criminal charges against the girl (another
court?)

As Tony said, cases in youth court are not normally reported in the Press (at least in England) -
but as for compensation it may be possible the [censored] doesn't have any money and him and the
girl are probably worthless, brainless drug addicts (which would account for the irrational and
violent behaviour). So its not worth trying to fine him for the money, and it would be hard to
make him do £1600 worth of work in prison on a 6 month stretch.

<SNIP>

When I was done over by thug, the police asked what I wanted to see happen. As they wouldn't let
me come to the station and poke him with sharp sticks, I was forced to settle for a conventional
prosecution.

I was a bit disappointed that my fractured skull didn't get him sent down but I did get
compensation (from him) of, iirc, 900UKP. I never really expected to see it - on the basis that
people with facial tattoos are unlikely to be high earners. Custody of his pit-bull terrier seemed
more likely.

I received it over the next couple of years, week by week, in the form of cheques from the court
in odd values such as UKP1.73 or 17.62.

At the end, I reckoned a couple of beers every week for two years was, actually, not bad
recompense.

The only time I ever had any hassle from norty boys the police arrived just as I was giving the main
protagonist a good slapping while his friends decided he deserved it and stood off, the police sent
me on my way, which was jolly nice of them, of course I'm a big bloke with better than average fight
ability, usually just getting off the bent and standing up makes the thug element give up, suits me,
I just want a quiet life.

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Ian

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:27:53 +0100 someone who may be "Tony W" <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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I would guess that the Scots are similar -- give or take a bit of interpretation or a year or so
here or there.

But, that was the reason for my ?? at the end.

If she was under 16 then there will have been no court (as understood down south) for such an
offence. She will have been dealt with by the Children's Panel.
childrens-hearings.co.ukchildrens-hearings.co.ukOpen ↗ outlines the system, which is considered to be generally
better than what is in use in the rest of the UK.

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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:50:00 +0100 someone who may be "Mr R@t \(2.3 zulu-alpha\) [comms room 2]"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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As for the thugs, I would have said the Fiscal should have them "hangit, gralloched and fed tae wee
homeless catties"; but that is *too* barbaric. You should not feed cats with such bad quality meat.

I think you are thinking of the approach to "trials" and punishment as used to be the case in
Edinburgh rather a long time ago. That was rather robust, but things have moved on since then.

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