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  1. J'accuse!

    The accusations brought against Lance Armstrong in L'Equipe
    on August 23, 2005, have no scientific or legal merit. In
    particular, The protocol of anonymity of samples and the requirement
    to test an A and B sample was designed to

    1. Maintain scientific correctness

    2. Protect the rights of athletes

    In this case, the protocol was not followed which means that the test
    reported by L'Equipe has no scientific validity and that the
    disclosure of the results violates the rights of the athlete in
    question. Everyone agrees with this, since it has been acknowledged
    that no legal or sporting sanction can be pursued. Therefore, the
    L'Equipe article and its general acceptance in the French press is
    simply a precedent for disregarding scientific principles as well as
    disregarding athletes' rights. An in depth look at the ethical
    consequences of this incident is given in this article by Tim Maloney
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/privacy_and_ethics

    Therefore, there are no facts to discuss here, only illegal methods
    used to tarnish the reputation of the most dominant Tour de France
    rider of all time.

    Since no charges can be brought against Armstrong, it is clear that he
    has no need to defend himself against these spurious accusations.
    However, one can surely believe in his complete innocence. For
    example, it would be very stupid to use EPO during the post Festina
    Affair Tour de France, when police raids were considered inevitable,
    as was expressed by his team mate Jonathan Vaughters
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/vaughters_1999
    and as he has shown in his Tour de France victories, Lance Armstrong
    has never been stupid. Another reason was given by Armstrong himself:
    After beating cancer and making cancer research and recovery his
    number one goal in life, it would be ridiculous to once again put his
    health in danger.

    If one does believe in Armstrong's innocence, then what is one to make
    of the positive EPO tests reported in L'Equipe? After some thought,
    the O.J. Simpson case comes to mind, in which the possibility of
    tampering with evidence was a key point leading to acquittal.
    However, in the O.J. Simpson case, there was so much evidence that a
    large number of otherwise trustworthy individuals would have had to
    independently decide to frame O.J. Simpson. In this case, the number
    of people required to tamper with the evidence is much smaller, and
    the possibility of wrong doing much greater, since the procedure by
    which L'Equipe obtained their evidence was itself fraudulent. In
    particular, the informant who gave them the correspondence between
    anonymous samples at the Chatenay Malabry laboratory is already guilty
    of serious breach of ethics, as is the person who allowed them to
    examine the Chatenay Malabry documentation, which was guaranteed
    anonymity for all scientific and legal purposes. Therefore, there are
    two people who are already guilty of serious misconduct and either one
    could have easily tampered with evidence in order to frame Lance
    Armstrong.

    My suspicions about tampering in order to frame Armstrong were first
    raised by purely phenomelogical issues: The L'Equipe article was
    immediately accepted as fact by the French media, indicating to me
    that the climate was ripe for this information to be believed without
    further scrutiny. As every forger knows, one sells fakes to people who
    desperately want to believe them real. The second element is that the
    revelations happened just after Armstrong's retirement, considerably
    decreasing the possibility of legal action on his part or by other
    organisations finding fault with the articles. Finally, the
    publication of the articles just a month after Armstrong's retirement
    assured that the object of the attack would not be a faded memory. In
    other words, the article came at a time when it would get the most
    attention with the least amount of formal scrutiny.

    If one believes that tampering occured then the natural question
    is the identity of the perpetrator or perpetrators. In my opinion,
    there is one outstanding candidate, the person who has shown the least
    amount of professional ethics in a profession requiring the highest
    standard of ethics, that is, Jacques de Ceaurriz, director of the Anti
    Doping laboratory of Chatenay Malabry. Indeed, he has never expressed
    any objection that confidential research material from his institute
    was surreptitiously examined by newspaper reporters. Nor has he
    brought up any objection that the scientific and legal protocol for
    proving a doping offence, in which his institute plays the central
    role, was totally violated. On the contrary, he provided a statement
    to L'Equipe that was published alongside their original articles,
    confirming their findings. Even this statement runs contrary to
    scientific ethics -- he gives a subjective opinion about the validity
    of the institute's EPO test on frozen samples, without having any
    scientific basis (no study of the validity of EPO testing on long term
    frozen samples exists) and without qualifying his opinion as being
    devoid of empirical basis. Such qualification is important in order to
    maintain a scientific standard of rigour and also to communicate
    uncertainty to laymen who might otherwise take a scientist's word as
    fact. However, any such qualification would completely negate the
    impact of his assertion that his EPO test is 100% reliable even on
    long frozen samples. Note that a scientist can be reasonably expected
    to give his opinion on matters which he does not fully understand, if
    the issues are innocuous, but not when his opinion directly harms a
    public personality and is stated as if it had full scientific value.

    As the previous paragraph shows, Jacques de Ceaurriz has validated a
    newspaper article which violates the very principles on which the
    institute's research is based and has passed off his personal opinion
    as scientific fact. Therefore, I do not find it such a stretch of the
    imagination that he was somehow involved in tampering with samples.
    At the very least, I now believe it quite likely that he gave personal
    permission to the L'Equipe reporters to examine the privileged
    documents belonging to his institute. Already, this would be such a
    breach of ethics that it would require his immediate dismissal as
    director (I believe that his lack of interest in the misconduct that
    has occured at his laboratory should already be grounds for his
    dismissal). It also seems possible that he is aware of the person who
    gave the correspondence between the anonymous sample numbers and the
    athletes, probably someone at the French Cycling Federation, which is
    one of the only places where the correspondence between the anonymous
    samples and the athletes could be known.

    If any one of the above conjectures is correct, then one must wonder
    how the director of a respected institute could get involved in such
    mischief. I believe that the answer, as usual, comes down to human
    weakness, and that the director fell victim to exactly the same
    temptations as the dopers he has made his living trying to catch. In
    particular, the director of a French research institute does not make
    a lot of money, somewhere in the vicinity of $100,000 a year, so on
    the order of one hundred times less than Lance Armstrong. Surely this
    difference in finances can bear heavily on someone coming close to
    retirement and an investigation into his private life might provide
    some surprises and clues. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the
    Institute's EPO test has been his life's work, even though he himself
    did not do the research, and his laboratory gained world wide
    notoriety with the acceptance of its test as the standard for finding
    EPO doping as these articles attest

    http://www.humanite.presse.fr/journal/2000-07-01/2000-07-01-227887
    http://www.humanite.presse.fr/journal/2003-12-31/2003-12-31-385348
    (English translation)
    http://www.humaniteinenglish.com/pro/art.php?artid=199

    However, even here his ethical standards are found wanting. Indeed,
    another laboratory in Lyon has accused Jacques de Ceaurriz and his
    laboratory of illegally appropriating the EPO test for themselves. The
    research leading to the EPO test was done by Francoise Lasne at the
    Hopitaux de Lyon which applied for the patent in 1998 before she went
    to work in Chatenay Malabry. Christian Collombel, the director of the
    Laboratoire des Hospice Civils de Lyon, has accused Jacques de
    Ceaurriz of appropriating the test for himself by manipulating the
    media. A full article is given here:

    http://www.inapg.inra.fr/ens_rech/bio/biotech/textes/techniqu/dopage/EPO.html

    Manipulation of the media in order to steal an EPO test along with the
    his unethical stance in the L'Equipe affair (and subsequent media
    attention) certainly opens the door to even more serious misconduct.

    I hope that Jacques de Ceaurriz reads this article. I am certain that
    his reaction would be outrage at being accused without there being any
    tangible proof. At the very least, if he is innocent of the more
    serious
    charges I bring up, he would realise the difficult position Armstrong
    has been put in as a result of the L'Equipe articles, which de
    Ceaurriz has supported against all the principles of his profession.

    When I first saw the L'Equipe article, my reaction was that France
    needed a new Dreyfus. What it actually needs is a new Zola.

    -Ilan Vardi

  2. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    J'accuse!

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal text
    as J'accuse.

    You have no decency !

  3. Montesquiou said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    J'accuse!

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal text
    as J'accuse.

    You have no decency !


    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level, Ilan
    has actually looked at this mess critically, with no axe to grind,
    other than due process. Seems to me he's been right on the money, but
    hey maybe he's a violently anti-French, Neo-con, Bush supporter from
    Mississippi.
    Once again he's been what the best scientists are, a detached observer
    who hasn't let his personal prejudices warp his view of this situation.
    This is just a snapshot of what a bunch of prejudiced [censored] most
    of the world are. We've got people raving on both sides, and the facts
    that don't support their prejudices don't matter.
    Sad [censored]. Bush is supposed to be a horrible example, but most of you
    are more than willing to believe in you're own "WMD" in Lance's case
    and evidence and objectivity be damned.
    I don't think I've ever been this disgusted with RBR.
    Bill C

  4. Upon rereading, I should add the following, in the section bringing up
    the possibility of tampering:

    Tampering with a cyclists drug sample is a distinct possibility given
    the fact that it has recently occured in France. In 2004, French
    cyclist Cedric Vasseur proved that his positive test for cocaine
    performed at the request of the French police was false and that his
    signature on a police report while in custody charge was forged by the
    police.

    -ilan

  5. Bill C said:
    Montesquiou said:

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal
    text as J'accuse.

    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level

    Note that he doesn't criticize the content but rather (well, mainly) the
    form of Ilan's posting. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair

    --
    E. Dronkert

  6. "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Montesquiou said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    J'accuse!

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal
    text
    as J'accuse.

    You have no decency !


    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level, Ilan
    has actually looked at this mess critically, with no axe to grind,
    other than due process. Seems to me he's been right on the money, but
    hey maybe he's a violently anti-French, Neo-con, Bush supporter from
    Mississippi.
    Once again he's been what the best scientists are, a detached observer

    Quoted message said:

    who hasn't let his personal prejudices warp his view of this situation.

    Oh please! If you've been following any of the threads here you know that
    even those scientists who are doubtful that EPO could last this long in
    storage have said that they have no doubt that the French lab's tests found
    those positives. As to Amrstrong's "they set me up" theory, it's easy
    enough to check the lab's protocalls and paper trail of storage and testing.

    There's EPO in Armstrong's blood samples and those of other riders from
    the 1998 and 1999 Tours. That's as certain as the fact that there was
    someone else's blood in Tyler Hamilton's body. If there is an issue, it is
    showing how the EPO and anothers blood got there. The chimera didn't fly
    and completely unsupported conspiracy theories won't fly either. Right now
    only peloton pigs are flying.

    BTW, I 'd like to know if any other Posties are in the 12 positives.

  7. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Upon rereading, I should add the following, in the section bringing up
    the possibility of tampering:

    Tampering with a cyclists drug sample is a distinct possibility given
    the fact that it has recently occured in France. In 2004, French
    cyclist Cedric Vasseur proved that his positive test for cocaine
    performed at the request of the French police was false and that his
    signature on a police report while in custody charge was forged by the
    police.

    -ilan

    By all means look at the paper trail to and in the lab. Until you do,
    you're talking drivel.

  8. Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Bill C said:
    Montesquiou said:

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal
    text as J'accuse.

    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level

    Note that he doesn't criticize the content but rather (well, mainly) the
    form of Ilan's posting. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair

    --
    E. Dronkert


    Maybe Ilan wasn't PC sensitive, but PC is censorship. So tough [censored].
    Bill C

  9. Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Bill C said:
    Montesquiou said:

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal
    text as J'accuse.

    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level

    Note that he doesn't criticize the content but rather (well, mainly) the
    form of Ilan's posting. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair

    Dammit, my first thought was that France needed another _Inspector_ Dreyfus...

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  10. Bill C said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Bill C said:

    Montesquiou wrote:
    > Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal
    > text as J'accuse.

    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level

    Note that he doesn't criticize the content but rather (well, mainly) the
    form of Ilan's posting. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_Affair

    --
    E. Dronkert


    Maybe Ilan wasn't PC sensitive, but PC is censorship. So tough [censored].
    Bill C

    Idiot,

    WTF are you talking about? What does PC have to do with anything? Did
    you wander into this thread from the lobotomy ward?

    Thanks,
    -Smurf

  11. B. Lafferty said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Upon rereading, I should add the following, in the section bringing up
    the possibility of tampering:

    Tampering with a cyclists drug sample is a distinct possibility given
    the fact that it has recently occured in France. In 2004, French
    cyclist Cedric Vasseur proved that his positive test for cocaine
    performed at the request of the French police was false and that his
    signature on a police report while in custody charge was forged by the
    police.

    -ilan

    By all means look at the paper trail to and in the lab. Until you do,
    you're talking drivel.

    Oh, [censored].

    If some drivel like this allegation were levelled at a client of yours you would
    laugh out loud. It's only because it conforms with your grand theory of LA's
    chemical use that you take it at all seriously.

    It's weird science, illegally obtained, with no trustworthy custody, an unproven
    methodology and names only one of the several people allegedly found in
    violation.

    Then again, you as a lawyer, might find yourself over your head with it.

    Ron

  12. You obviously have no idea how the scientific process works. The EPO
    test has been peer-reviewed. An article describing the development of
    the test has been published in a peer-reviewed journal. Anyone can
    search PubMed and find the abstract.

  13. B. Lafferty said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    B. Lafferty said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Montesquiou said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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    > J'accuse!
    >

    Shame on you for your stupid parody of such an important and universal
    text
    as J'accuse.

    You have no decency !


    Moron, I'd call you Dumbass but you haven't risen to that level, Ilan
    has actually looked at this mess critically, with no axe to grind,
    other than due process. Seems to me he's been right on the money, but
    hey maybe he's a violently anti-French, Neo-con, Bush supporter from
    Mississippi.
    Once again he's been what the best scientists are, a detached observer

    Quoted message said:

    who hasn't let his personal prejudices warp his view of this situation.

    Oh please! If you've been following any of the threads here you know
    that
    even those scientists who are doubtful that EPO could last this long in
    storage have said that they have no doubt that the French lab's tests
    found
    those positives. As to Amrstrong's "they set me up" theory, it's easy
    enough to check the lab's protocalls and paper trail of storage and
    testing.
    And YOU have chosen to ignore all the serious scientists who have real
    questions about the test.

    OK, list the serious scientists who have doubt about the validity of the
    test methodology--not whether or not EPO can survive in stored urine for
    three to five years.


    I'll repost this:
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    "D. Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:26:23 GMT, "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    "D. Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:12 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>
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    > It's almost impossible for me to believe that you are an attorney.

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    Why? It is not about justice, it's about winning case. Attorney's
    would
    take EPO to win if it worked that way. Justice has gone over the hill,
    it's
    a fairytale for the naive. That is what attorneys are about.

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    Ken

    Quoted message said:
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    But even a [censored] attorney knows about the importance of protocols. I
    guess Lafferty is just using one of his attorney tools... selective
    memory.

    Quoted message said:

    You can get as ad hominum as you like, it doesn't change the fact that a
    WADA certified lab found EPO in his urine. There's as yet no indication
    that the samples of any of the riders at issue were handled improperly or
    that the chain of custody was broken as to any of the samples. While some
    scientists have questioned whether or not EPO can be stable in urine frozen
    over a period of years, virtually all the scientists who have commented thus
    far have not attacked the validity of the three methodologies used in the
    Paris Lab's research as requested by WADA.

    Brian, We can't ignore the fact that the Canadians Germans and a
    University research dept have all questioned the test itself:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/aug05/aug03news

    Researchers at the Catholic University in Leuven, Belgium (KUL) have
    cast doubt on the EPO-detecting urine test currently in use by the UCI.

    The researchers say that the test in potentially unreliable because it
    traces too many types of protein, leading to the risk of a false
    positive. After a race it is possible for athlete to excrete some of
    the proteins detected by the test, causing a positive result without
    the use of EPO.

    Then we can add in those who have questions about the validity of a
    questionable test after this amount of time. Then let's consider who is
    paying for the research and testing that has led to this test being
    used. I'm sure that you have no questions about US drug companies
    having their products cleared by the FDA based on testing they paid for
    right?
    The conflict of interest, lack of independent review, questions raised
    form independent parties about both the basic, and specific application
    are clear. You are a "true believer" and that really does discredit
    your position. You [censored] up a storm about the rule of law when it suits
    you, but when it goeas against you, you argue that breaking the law can
    be justified. This is exactly where we reached an impasse the last time
    and unfortunately I see it happening again. IMO there is more than
    enough evidence to create "reasonable doubt" but none of that seems to
    register with you. I have no idea if Lance doped, but I'm not going to
    throw out due process, basic rules of credibility, and the antogonistic
    system because I believe.
    I don't think anyone here believes you haven't been absolutely
    convinced that Lance is a doper forever. I hear Palmero claimed that
    too.
    You are really acting like a Darryl Gates prosecutor in this case.
    Bill C


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    He of course ignores the fact that no

    Quoted message said:

    one at the lab was aware of which sample belonged to which tour rider,
    and that furthermore the documentation that can be used to make such a
    connection is not in the custody of laboratory officials.

    Well, someone obtained this info(numbers to name) after the alleged testing.
    So why not before? Money makes things happen. I have no idea but do have
    suspicions and lack trust in the people that did these procedures in this
    case. They violated so many other codes that one could not have doubts.
    Sure, I would like to learn that this accusation is untrue. If it turns out
    otherwise I will have been duped along with others and be quite angry with
    Lance boy. For now I believe in him. Testing laboratories are not devoid
    of convictions for sample tampering so the door is open for suspicion. My
    suspicion is enhanced by the fact they allowed no means of retesting to
    confirm. Why did they test all specimens? Wouldn't it to have been better
    to save a couple for independent testing after discovering the positives?

    Again I have little info to go on and find both sides of this interesting.
    How many total samples were available for testing from the 1999 event? How
    many were tested?

    Ken

  15. At the risk of being contentious, I would like to question the
    following assertion:

    "He of course ignores the fact that no
    one at the lab was aware of which sample belonged to which tour rider,
    and that furthermore the documentation that can be used to make such a
    connection is not in the custody of laboratory officials."

    I mean nothing personal in this because it has been very often reported
    and it is certainly fair for you to consider it. However, I would
    point out that there is no proof that someone at the lab did not in
    fact know which samples where Mr. Armstrong's. And proof is needed.
    After all, l'Equipe knew which samples where which. If they where
    capable of obtaining this information, others could as just as well.

    On another point, the labs in question have been "leaky". And the labs
    director, and correct me if I am wrong, has not be reported to have
    shown an interest in finding the leaker and preventing further breaches
    of security and confidentiality. To the contrary the director has
    been, again as reported, more concerned with establishing Mr.
    Armstrong's guilt. In so doing he becomes a facilitator of the
    breaches, i.e. a persons whose failure to enforce security procedures
    makes breaches possible. Is it time to speak of "omerta" in the
    lab.

    Again this is my spin, you are of course entitled as well.

    ray

  16. Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
    RonSonic <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

    Quoted message said:

    It's weird science, illegally obtained, with no trustworthy custody,
    an unproven methodology

    You should be proud of yourself. You made that up all on your own !! Good
    to know you have inside knowledge, a law degree, and appropriate scientific
    credentials.
    --
    Bonne route !

    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

  17. Sandy said:

    No, Bill, not true. Ilan takes pains to deride the country he lives in, and
    his angst does not elicit real sympathy at all. He has no idea of what due
    process is, nor has he looked at anything here without a strong tint of
    disdain for France.

    Yeah, Ilan! You're so shamefully unpatriotic! Why do you
    hate America? I mean, Why do you hate France? Or whatever
    it is that you hate, anyway.

    Ben
    going back where I came from

  18. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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    Quoted message said:

    J'accuse!

    Quoted message said:

    After beating cancer and making cancer research and recovery his
    number one goal in life, it would be ridiculous to once again put his
    health in danger.

    EPO is no more dangerous than OJ. 🙂

  19. "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I admit that I am a DUMASS when it comes to handling lab samples. You
    mush have knowledge that provides you with the confidence that tampering is
    impossible, no matter the payoff.

    Ken

    Nowhere have I stated that tampering is impossible. And that goes for any
    lab doing drug testing. I think you know that. That's why you examine
    procedures, chain of custody and question the people who conducted and
    supervised the test. To charge that there is a French conspiracy at work
    with utterly no evidence to back that up is sophistry.

  20. "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    J'accuse!

    Quoted message said:

    After beating cancer and making cancer research and recovery his
    number one goal in life, it would be ridiculous to once again put his
    health in danger.

    EPO is no more dangerous than OJ. 🙂

    Touché!

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