It's your fault

[email hidden] (Maggie) wrote in
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It's all this newsgroups fault that I am trying to deal with my age,
ride my bike, and stop whining. Thanks guys. What a group. I am also
trying that cross country ski thing when I am in Lake Tahoe next week.
I made up my mind and confirmed the plans. Well first I will spend
some time at Harrahs, but I will do the ski thing. ;-) (I can't give
up all my old ways and become athletic overnight) It took 50 years to
become this sissy, prissy. I worked hard at it. ;-) My plane leaves
Thursday morning. I have no idea what I will do without my daily fix
of rec.bicycles.misc while I am out in Nevada. I am at a crossroad. I
can go for the exercise and health or I can make a reservation at my
favorite restaurant and order a wonderfully unhealthy meal. Life is a
series of choices. Boy, have I made some really BAD ones....but along
the way there were some great choices too. Like having my kids. Happy
Sunday Riding. I am hauling ass out the door now to bike. Maybe I
will be able to ride just a little further today.
All the best from your friend, the sissy prissy lady from surburbia.

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Recognize,Respond and Recover

good luck!

Maggie said:

It's all this newsgroups fault that I am trying to deal with my age,
ride my bike, and stop whining. Thanks guys. What a group. I am also
trying that cross country ski thing when I am in Lake Tahoe next week.
I made up my mind and confirmed the plans. Well first I will spend
some time at Harrahs, but I will do the ski thing. ;-) (I can't give
up all my old ways and become athletic overnight) It took 50 years to
become this sissy, prissy. I worked hard at it. ;-) My plane leaves
Thursday morning. I have no idea what I will do without my daily fix
of rec.bicycles.misc while I am out in Nevada. I am at a crossroad. I
can go for the exercise and health or I can make a reservation at my
favorite restaurant and order a wonderfully unhealthy meal. Life is a
series of choices. Boy, have I made some really BAD ones....but along
the way there were some great choices too. Like having my kids. Happy
Sunday Riding. I am hauling ass out the door now to bike. Maybe I
will be able to ride just a little further today.
All the best from your friend, the sissy prissy lady from surburbia.

http://www.geocities.com/lindaannbuset/mypage.html

http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

About those bad choices I can agree. I could have bought a house
in Campbell (part of Silicon valley) for $30,000 in 1973 but
passed because I thought it was too much at the time. Instead
I moved to the country. That house is now approaching the
million dollar mark. Now I have lots of places to ride but
no house equity (value) in the sticks. Money or fitness?
Fitness wins. Everybody I know that lives in their million
dollar houses are stressed out, overweight, etc. I don't
know if money wins or living better with less capital.
I'll take the latter since I don't want to be one of those
who wins by dying with the most money.
Bill Baka

--
Just Bill again

Money or fitness?

my mind has been rambling down a similar track lately. I wonder just
how little I could get away with having if I tried. In my job I'm on OK
money (NZ adjusted), but am starting to wonder what the point is. My
hazy long term goal is too dispense with my automobile completely and
also all the other pointless [censored] you never really need. also to work at
becoming semi sufficient in my energy needs in all areas. and to think i
used to scorn people like myself. the main philosophical hurdle needing
clearing is - is it wasteful or just plain wrong to buy stuff you don't
really need for your bike?

tspoon said:

Money or fitness?

my mind has been rambling down a similar track lately. I wonder just
how little I could get away with having if I tried. In my job I'm on OK
money (NZ adjusted), but am starting to wonder what the point is. My
hazy long term goal is too dispense with my automobile completely and
also all the other pointless [censored] you never really need. also to work at
becoming semi sufficient in my energy needs in all areas. and to think i
used to scorn people like myself. the main philosophical hurdle needing
clearing is - is it wasteful or just plain wrong to buy stuff you don't
really need for your bike?

Money spent on your bike is well spent compared to buying things for a car.
You do run out of things after a while. You won't get comments on the bike
just "Wow, what does all that stuff do?".

--
Just Bill again

Although your post was not directed at me someone has to say it.
You are welcome.
:-)

Regards,
Bob Hunt

On 14 Nov 2004 07:34:12 -0800, Maggie quoth:

Quoted message said:

It's all this newsgroups fault that I am trying to deal with my age,
ride my bike, and stop whining. Thanks guys. What a group. I am also
trying that cross country ski thing when I am in Lake Tahoe next week.

My belated recommendation would be to try snowshoeing instead.
After snowshoeing for the first time last winter I doubt I'll
ever ski again - loved every second of it.

bkr

Beaker said:

On 14 Nov 2004 07:34:12 -0800, Maggie quoth:
<snip> I am also trying that cross country ski thing when I am in Lake Tahoe next week.

My belated recommendation would be to try snowshoeing instead.
After snowshoeing for the first time last winter I doubt I'll
ever ski again - loved every second of it.

bkr

Beaker
I would not swap skis for snowshoes unless in really tight trees. Aren't snowshoes slow? I'd rather stride & glide (then carve tele turns downhill 😄 ) than plod on shoes. Although I do live in a different hemishere to you.

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My belated recommendation would be to try snowshoeing instead.
After snowshoeing for the first time last winter I doubt I'll
ever ski again - loved every second of it.

You bring 'em both. You snowshoe UP and ski DOWN.

Cheto

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:55:31 +1100, Bikesoiler quoth:

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Beaker
I would not swap skis for snowshoes unless in really tight trees.
Aren't snowshoes slow? I'd rather stride & glide (then carve tele turns
downhill 😄 ) than plod on shoes.

Snowshoeing is basically hiking in the snow, so the point is the same - to
get outdoors in the wonderful cool winter weather, go places and see things.
(and get some super exersize) There's a bit of a glide to it if the powder
is deep enough - kind of like floating. You can go a lot more places more
easily on the shoes than you can on skis, and the snow conditions and terrain
don't effect snowshoes nearly as much. Since you're presumably out to see and
enjoy nature there's no reason to go any particular speed, but being able to
go any direction is important. I was really surprised how easy the shoes were
even in deep powder and thick undergrowth. (watch out for those spruce traps!)
I guess my point is that shoes are a lot more versatile and less fussy, and
they're certainly easier for a beginner. I prefer the plastic MSR snowshoes,
myself.

If zooming downhill is particularly important to you then I guess you want
skis. We used to xc ski in Minnesota where it's relatively flat, and you can
go for miles through the burbs from lake to lake. I had a couple pairs of
waxless Karhu xc skis back when the bindings had the 3-pin toe. I left them
behind when I found out the bindings had changed so I couldn't get new shoes.
I see Karhu has some "sweeper" skis now that are about halfway between xc skis
and snowshoes, which might be interesting in combination with snowshoes for
backcountry wandering. One nice thing about both xc skiing and snowshoeing
is that they're both cheap, and you can do them right out of your own backyard.
Downhill skiing became way too expensive, crowded and constrained for me -
had my fill of that already.

bkr

Bill Baka <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Maggie said:

Money or fitness?

Fitness wins. Everybody I know that lives in their million
dollar houses are stressed out, overweight, etc. I don't
know if money wins or living better with less capital.
I'll take the latter since I don't want to be one of those
who wins by dying with the most money.
Bill Baka

I think I have seen both worlds and trying to be the one who dies with
the most money or the most toys is not the way to live. When I was a
kid we were really poor. I lived in Newark NJ in a small apartment.
We were poor but we were really happy. Then we moved to the town I
live in now where the kids had alot compared to me. I hated it. I was
poor in a town that was pretty rich by my standards. I never fit in.
When the 60's hit I fit in well as a hippie chick and I was happy with
very little. Through the years money became very important to me. I
worked hard to have money. I bought more STUFF than any one person
would ever need. Money was my driving force. I worked two jobs at
times then started my own business. The more important money became,
the more stressed and unhappy I became. I think I finally have life in
perspective. I think I have finally come to realize what is really
important in my life. I have a wonderful life filled with family and
friends. I made peace with my brother after not speaking to him for
years. He was my brother and my best friend and my ego made me turn my
back on him. Now he is back and I am blessed with his love and
friendship again. I take trips to Tahoe to be with my niece and her
children...not Vegas to gamble and win the mega millions. It took a
long time for me to understand how much I had. Dying with the most
toys is nothing...living and dying surrounded by family and friends
who love you is everything. I am fortunate to still have both my
parents, three great kids that I absolutely adore, a husband who puts
up with all my [censored], and great, great friends and my health. What
more could anyone ask from life? I am a very lucky woman and it took
me too long to realize that. No one wins by dying with the most money.

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[email hidden] (Maggie) wrote in
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I am at a crossroad. I can go for the exercise and health or I can
make a reservation at my favorite restaurant and order a wonderfully
unhealthy meal. Life is a series of choices. Boy, have I made some
really BAD ones....but along
the way there were some great choices too. Like having my kids.

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Recognize,Respond and Recover

good luck!

Thank you. You reminded me of my sixth grade teacher who used to
say....TRAIN EQUALLY...the MIND, the BODY....and the HEART! I am
starting to believe there is always time for change. There is time to
become a better person. I'm not dead yet!!!! ;-)

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My belated recommendation would be to try snowshoeing instead.
After snowshoeing for the first time last winter I doubt I'll
ever ski again - loved every second of it.

You bring 'em both. You snowshoe UP and ski DOWN.

Cheto

I am hoping I figure out how to put them on. I'll worry about going
up and getting back down after.

;-)

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I am at a crossroad. I can go for the exercise and health or I can
make a reservation at my favorite restaurant and order a wonderfully
unhealthy meal.

No, the way it works is you go for exercise and health and you go to your
favorite restaurant (here's mine http://www.kaspars.com/, I'm going there
for my birthday) and order a wonderful meal, myself.

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Cheto wrote (of show shoes and skis):

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You bring 'em both. You snowshoe UP and ski DOWN.

The beauty of cross-country skis is that you use them to go both ways, up
and down.

Schussing downhill is fun, but xcountry is (I think) more about being part
of the winter world than about speed thrills.

I hope Maggie has fun with it.

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I am hoping I figure out how to put them on. I'll worry about going
up and getting back down after.

Hey Maggie,

If you want to see what it looks like at Lake Tahoe right now, Heavenly Ski
area has a couple of live cams.

http://www.skiheavenly.com/audio_visual/webcams/tram/

Have fun...Cheto

Cheto said:

Beaker said:

My belated recommendation would be to try snowshoeing instead.
After snowshoeing for the first time last winter I doubt I'll
ever ski again - loved every second of it.

You bring 'em both. You snowshoe UP and ski DOWN.

Leave those goofy, clumsy, slow snowshoes home. All you need are
climbing skins and skis. Except on the really steep pitches, I can
outclimb a snowshoe wearer 2 to 1.

Last January's trip to Tioga Pass, Yosemite:

http://ski.terrymorse.com/trip/tpr0401/index.html
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terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

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No, the way it works is you go for exercise and health and you go to your
favorite restaurant (here's mine http://www.kaspars.com/, I'm going there
for my birthday) and order a wonderful meal, myself.

Decent wine list, although focused a little too heavily on the Pacific
Northwest. '97 Opus One for $218 is a bargain, believe it or not.

Cheto

I can't resist posting this famous discussion about childhood from
the wonderful Mony Python....

http://www.phespirit.info/montypython/four_yorkshiremen.htm
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The Scene:
Four well-dressed men are sitting together at a vacation resort.
'Farewell to Thee' is played in the background on Hawaiian guitar.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You're right there, Obadiah.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking
Château de Chasselas, eh?
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o' cold tea.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In a cracked cup, an' all.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we never had a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up
newspaper.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Because we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy
you happiness, son".
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was right.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, 'e was.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to live in this tiny old
house with great big holes in the roof.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live in one room,
all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was missing, and we
were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of falling.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t'
corridor!
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace
to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got
woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over
us! House? Huh.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a
sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in
a lake.
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us
living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Cardboard box?
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic
tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper
bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen
hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got
home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the
morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour
day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us
to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of
shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We
had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill
for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would
slice us in two wit' bread knife.
FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an
hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work
twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission
to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would
kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't
believe you.
ALL:
They won't!

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I am hoping I figure out how to put them on. I'll worry about going
up and getting back down after.

Hey Maggie,

If you want to see what it looks like at Lake Tahoe right now, Heavenly Ski
area has a couple of live cams.

http://www.skiheavenly.com/audio_visual/webcams/tram/

Have fun...Cheto

That is so cool. I never saw anything like that. My son is an avid
snowboarder. He is not coming with me as he is in college and can't
take the time away from school. But he will be going somewhere on
break to snowboard, I am sure. Last year he went to Vermont for break.
I should show him this. He may decide to do Tahoe this year. Thanks.

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