It's not assault

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss.

I'm really not surprised, as the motorist could simply argue "Cyclist?
What cyclist? I didn't see any cyclist>".

I've had a can thrown at me twice in the last two years. Both times
from what appeared to be the same car. It sucks that there's not much
that can be done about it.

Rich

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss. (I'm the alleged cyclist.) I reported a full
vehicle description and license number to the police, but the
dispatcher said I couldn't file an assault charge because I wasn't
injured. She said the best she could do was "air it out to patrol" in
case the perps happened to drive through the area again. I find this
absurd. Do I have any other (legal) options?

It is NOT true that one must be injured to file an assault charge. No
harmful physical contact need have happened. (This element is what
differentiates assault from battery.) The difficulty with getting a
conviction for assalt is proving that all the necessary conditions were
met. Usually, the only difficult one to prove is intent. I believe this
will be true in your case; as poster Rich says, this person could
simply argue that he hadn't seen you. You may find this link helpful:

http://velonews.com/news/fea/9204.0.html

For my part, I once had a beer can thrown at me by a passenger in a car
which was stopped for a red light at a busy intersection. It was easy
for me to note the make, model, and license plate number. I even
happened to have an empty plastic bag with me, and collected the
fingerprint-laden projectile. The police gave me the impression that no
civil crime had been committed (and, while I don't condone littering, I
was not concerned with getting this person cited for that). Ultimately,
I ended up not pursuing any legal action. It wasn't worth what it would
cost me in time or the protraction of the disturbance of my peace. Ride
on!

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss. (I'm the alleged cyclist.) I reported a full
vehicle description and license number to the police, but the
dispatcher said I couldn't file an assault charge because I wasn't
injured.

Somehow I have the feeling that if you were to take the bottle in
question and throw it so it barely misses the head of a patrolman on
the street that they'd quickly be able to determine the relevant
statute. [Not that I recommend this approach to jogging their memory.]

Quoted message said:

She said the best she could do was "air it out to patrol" in
case the perps happened to drive through the area again. I find this
absurd. Do I have any other (legal) options?

You could contact the District Attorney's office and see if they're
willing to take any action. Were there any 'neutral' witnesses to the
act? Otherwise it would be hard to meet the proof beyond a reasonable
doubt standard for criminal prosecutions.

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss. (I'm the alleged cyclist.) I reported a full
vehicle description and license number to the police, but the
dispatcher said I couldn't file an assault charge because I wasn't
injured. She said the best she could do was "air it out to patrol" in
case the perps happened to drive through the area again. I find this
absurd. Do I have any other (legal) options?

The dispatcher was wrong. Go to the station and file a report. Calling
on the phone does not constitute a "report" in the legal sense.

Regards
Bob Hunt

BTW, you may be an alleged victim and you may be the cyclist making the
allegation but that doesn't make you an "alleged cyclist" ;-)

Quoted message said:

BTW, you may be an alleged victim and you may be the cyclist making the
allegation but that doesn't make you an "alleged cyclist" ;-)

How do you know? have you seen him attempt to ride a bike? 🙂

Pat

Quoted message said:

Pat in TX said:

Quoted message said:

BTW, you may be an alleged victim and you may be the cyclist making the
allegation but that doesn't make you an "alleged cyclist" ;-)

How do you know? have you seen him attempt to ride a bike? 🙂

Pat

Quoted message said:

An inability to ride, not making an allegation of assault, would make
him an "alleged" cyclist but I see your point. <g>

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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Quoted message said:

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss. (I'm the alleged cyclist.) I reported a full
vehicle description and license number to the police, but the
dispatcher said I couldn't file an assault charge because I wasn't
injured. She said the best she could do was "air it out to patrol" in
case the perps happened to drive through the area again. I find this
absurd. Do I have any other (legal) options?

The dispatcher was wrong. Go to the station and file a report. Calling
on the phone does not constitute a "report" in the legal sense.

Regards
Bob Hunt

(clip) BTW, you may be an alleged victim and you may be the cyclist making
the allegation but that doesn't make you an "alleged cyclist" ;-)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you report the crime, or tell someone about it, you are *alleging* that
it took place, so. to them you are the "alleged victim." Since you ARE the
victim, with first-hand knowledge, you not the alleged victim. You are not
relying on an allegation of the facts.

"RWD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss. (I'm the alleged cyclist.) I reported a full
vehicle description and license number to the police, but the
dispatcher said I couldn't file an assault charge because I wasn't
injured. She said the best she could do was "air it out to patrol" in
case the perps happened to drive through the area again. I find this
absurd. Do I have any other (legal) options?

I thought if they threw something at you it was "assault", if they hit you
it was "assault & battery".

Leo Lichtman said:

"Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(clip) BTW, you may be an alleged victim and you may be the cyclist making
the allegation but that doesn't make you an "alleged cyclist" ;-)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If you report the crime, or tell someone about it, you are *alleging* that
it took place, so. to them you are the "alleged victim." Since you ARE the
victim, with first-hand knowledge, you not the alleged victim. You are not
relying on an allegation of the facts.

And since I wasn't referring to myself but addressing someone who has
alleged that they are the victim of a crime my usage was correct. (This
is all in good fun BTW.)

Regards,
Bob Hunt

Well, this was in San Diego. Last I heard, the City Attorney prosecutes
the misdemeanors here, and right now that's Mike Aguirre, who's got
time to spare now that he's making nice with Mayor Saunders.. Go to the
police station to file a complaint -- or call Mike Aguirre's office!
RWD wrote:Stuff.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you report the crime, or tell someone about it, you are *alleging*
that
it took place, so. to them you are the "alleged victim." Since you ARE
the
victim, with first-hand knowledge, you not the alleged victim. You are
not
relying on an allegation of the facts.

And since I wasn't referring to myself but addressing someone who has
alleged that they are the victim of a crime my usage was correct. (This
is all in good fun BTW.)

Regards,
Bob Hunt

I have a headache now.

Pat

Quoted message said:

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Quoted message said:

<snip>

So I said to the DA, "Whatever this guy did that was bargained
down to disorderly conduct by guys like you was I'm sure much more
serious than any hi-jinks you and your buddies may have done at
college. What sort of car do you have? An old Volvo? That's not
worth that much, and I have no prior record of any sort. So I
guess I can go out to the parking lot and steal your car with
impunity, right?"

<snip again>

I also sometimes think it is quite acceptable to invite
confrontation. The cops might not care about someone throwing a
bottle at you, but if you get the driver to stop, and threaten
you, that is a different story. Could be dangerous, but most
people are all talk when it comes to real confrontations.

Hey, watch it with the Volvo jokes.

Given the three-against-one odds and the potential for any of the
vehicle occupants to be carrying weapons, I opted against
confrontation. It's great to fantasize about such face-offs but in the
real world it could prove to be a very poor choice.

RWD

RWD said:

Quoted message said:

I also sometimes think it is quite acceptable to invite
confrontation.

Quoted message said:

Given the three-against-one odds and the potential for any of the
vehicle occupants to be carrying weapons, I opted against
confrontation. It's great to fantasize about such face-offs but in the
real world it could prove to be a very poor choice.

Agreed. Regardless of the odds, confrontation with a driver rarely
solves any problems.

Rich

Quoted message said:

For my part, I once had a beer can thrown at me by a passenger in a car
which was stopped for a red light at a busy intersection. It was easy
for me to note the make, model, and license plate number. I even
happened to have an empty plastic bag with me, and collected the
fingerprint-laden projectile. The police gave me the impression that no
civil crime had been committed (and, while I don't condone littering, I
was not concerned with getting this person cited for that). Ultimately,
I ended up not pursuing any legal action. It wasn't worth what it would
cost me in time or the protraction of the disturbance of my peace. Ride
on!

Don't forget they got Al Capone on tax evasion, so maybe getting the
passenger cited for littering, will simply mean that next time he has a
beer can to get rid of, he will dispose of it properly. Saving you the
problem of getting in the way of the projectile.

W

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw a
full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as long as
you miss. (I'm the alleged cyclist.) I reported a full vehicle
description and license number to the police, but the dispatcher said I
couldn't file an assault charge because I wasn't injured. She said the
best she could do was "air it out to patrol" in case the perps happened to
drive through the area again. I find this absurd. Do I have any other
(legal) options?

It is a crime to throw things from a moving vehicle, and if it's thrown at
you it's an assault. But unless there's evidence, witnesses, etc., no
police dept. can do anything for you.

They can, however, take a report, and keep it in their notes, in case they
get another complaint about a vehicle meeting your description.

Matt O.

RWD said:

Given the three-against-one odds and the potential for any of the vehicle
occupants to be carrying weapons, I opted against confrontation. It's
great to fantasize about such face-offs but in the real world it could
prove to be a very poor choice.

Indeed. Trying to call someone's bluff is a really bad idea. I heard a
radio interview with a writer from CSI (a TV crime show). He accompanied
detectives on investigations while doing research for the show. Many
witnesses actually reported hearing the victim challenge their assailant
to "go ahead and shoot me," or something to that effect, just before shots
were fired. Apparently this situation is disturbingly common. When life
imitates television, it just doesn't work.

Matt O.

"Matt O'Toole" wrote: (clip) it's an assault. But unless there's evidence,
witnesses, etc., no police dept. can do anything for you. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why wouldn't RWD be a witness? Suppose RWD had been shot at from a car, and
came in to the police withthe same info--description, license number, etc.
Would the response have been, "We can't do anything for you because they
missed?"

The Wogster said:

Quoted message said:

For my part, I once had a beer can thrown at me by a passenger in a car
which was stopped for a red light at a busy intersection. It was easy
for me to note the make, model, and license plate number. I even
happened to have an empty plastic bag with me, and collected the
fingerprint-laden projectile. The police gave me the impression that no
civil crime had been committed (and, while I don't condone littering, I
was not concerned with getting this person cited for that). Ultimately,
I ended up not pursuing any legal action. It wasn't worth what it would
cost me in time or the protraction of the disturbance of my peace. Ride
on!

Don't forget they got Al Capone on tax evasion, so maybe getting the
passenger cited for littering, will simply mean that next time he has a
beer can to get rid of, he will dispose of it properly. Saving you the
problem of getting in the way of the projectile.

W

Uh ... open container laws?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Rich said:

RWD said:

According to the San Diego Police Department, it's not a crime to throw
a full quart-sized soda bottle from a moving vehicle at a cyclist as
long as you miss.

I'm really not surprised, as the motorist could simply argue "Cyclist?
What cyclist? I didn't see any cyclist>".

I've had a can thrown at me twice in the last two years. Both times
from what appeared to be the same car. It sucks that there's not much
that can be done about it.

Rich

All of these posts prove that you should ALWAYS ride with an attorney
who has a vcr turned on you....🙂

HAND