Is White_Flight Real ??

If you go to the Georgia department of education web site,
you will see a disturbing statistic. Atlanta City Schools
(mostly Black) have the lowest test scores in the State.
But guess what, they have the highest per student
expenditure. Now why does a public school system that is
mostly black spend more money per student BUT has some of
the LOWEST test scores???

A mostly white school system (Fayette County) south of
Atlanta (A product of white flight) has the HIGHEST test
scores in the State and guess what? It spends 30 percent
LESS per student?

Any ideas why this is so???? It is obvious throwing money at
the problem doesn't work. What is the problem?

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******************************* NAACP Wants Magnet Program
To Add Resources, Diversity To Schools March 17, 2004

GOLDSBORO, N.C. -- Like many urban areas, Goldsboro
schools have experienced a phenomenon known as "white
flight" -- white students leave city schools for county
public schools or private schools. As a result, Goldsboro
city schools are 100 percent black....

Fifty years after the Supreme Court put an end to
segregation, some schools are still fighting that battle.
Now, community leaders are threatening legal action to
balance the classrooms.

"We, in fact, 50 years after Brown versus the Board of
Education, are living in a segregated school system," said
the Rev. William Barber....
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Whites don't like DAFNz. White_Flight is the *PROOF*. It's
not just a few "racists" making noise on the internet;
rather, it's mainstream productive IQ_100++ white
Americans voting with their feet....

Supreme Court 1954, Brown vs DNA - a total LOOZer -- AN
(iq-75) MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE (money on)....

JJ said:

If you go to the Georgia department of education web site,
you will see a disturbing statistic. Atlanta City Schools
(mostly Black) have the lowest test scores in the State.

Cite please. I just did so, ended up on the Georgia School
Council Institute site, and on 4th grade tests, Dougherty,
Macon, Dooly, Stewart, and Talbot Counties had worse scores
on all 3 CRCT tests. Probably others as well; I only looked
at 8 counties
gsci.orgreportcenter.jspOpen ↗ looking at
the percentages passing the state tests.

In 6th grade CRCT, Macon county was worse than Atlanta
on all 3 tests, and Dooly was worse on 2 of 3. In 8th
grade CRCT, Dooly did worse on all 3 tests, Terell was
tied on 1 test and worse on the other 2, and Macon was
worse on 2 of 3.

On the MGWA, Terell, Macon, Randolph, Warren and Talbot
scored worse, while Dougherty and Dooly counties were tied
with Atlanta.

On the GHSGT, Terell, Macon, Stewart, Warren, and Talbot
scored worse on all 4 tests. On the GHSWT, Terell, Macon,
Warren, Talbot, and Randolph scored worse. On the SAT, 7 of
the 8 counties scored worse than Atlanta for average score.

Quoted message said:

But guess what, they have the highest per student
expenditure. Now why does a public school system that is
mostly black spend more money per student BUT has some of
the LOWEST test scores???

Among other reasons, because "money per student" includes
other things besides education costs. Cafeterias, school
buses, etc. are part of school costs.

Quoted message said:

A mostly white school system (Fayette County) south of
Atlanta (A product of white flight) has the HIGHEST test
scores in the State and guess what? It spends 30 percent
LESS per student?

Fayette County (which is 16% black BTW) has only 9% of its
kids eligible for poverty programs, like reduced price
lunches, which cost a good deal of money. Atlanta has 71%
eligible. Macon County has 82% eligible. Dooly county has
85% eligible.

Title I Poverty programs spend around $1000/kid in the
schools in poverty. A district with most of the kids in
Title I schools, like Atlanta or Macon, will spend $1000 per
kid more just for that one program.

In addition, rich kids have substantial advantages in
education. More highly educated parents, more books in the
home, more resources for dealing with problems that arise in
childhood that can interfere with education.

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Any ideas why this is so????

See above. It isn't so.

Quoted message said:

It is obvious throwing money at the problem doesn't work.
What is the problem?

It isn't race, as some would claim.

Barrow County, at 12% black, is more white than Fayette
County, but gets worse scores. They have 36% eligible for
free lunches. Banks County is only 3% black, and 55%
eligible for free lunches. Bremen City is only 7% black and
13% eligible for free lunches.

Of those, on the 4th grade tests, Banks County scored below
the state average on 2 of the 3 tests, and below Atlanta in
Math, beating Atlanta by only 1% in English.

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Bob LeChevalier said:

JJ said:

If you go to the Georgia department of education web
site, you will see a disturbing statistic. Atlanta City
Schools (mostly Black) have the lowest test scores in
the State.

Cite please. I just did so, ended up on the Georgia School
Council Institute site, and on 4th grade tests, Dougherty,
Macon, Dooly, Stewart, and Talbot Counties had worse
scores on all 3 CRCT tests. Probably others as well; I
only looked at 8 counties
gsci.orgreportcenter.jspOpen ↗ looking
at the percentages passing the state tests.

In 6th grade CRCT, Macon county was worse than Atlanta
on all 3 tests, and Dooly was worse on 2 of 3. In 8th
grade CRCT, Dooly did worse on all 3 tests, Terell was
tied on 1 test and worse on the other 2, and Macon was
worse on 2 of 3.

On the MGWA, Terell, Macon, Randolph, Warren and Talbot
scored worse, while Dougherty and Dooly counties were tied
with Atlanta.

On the GHSGT, Terell, Macon, Stewart, Warren, and Talbot
scored worse on all 4 tests. On the GHSWT, Terell,
Macon, Warren, Talbot, and Randolph scored worse. On the
SAT, 7 of the 8 counties scored worse than Atlanta for
average score.

Quoted message said:

But guess what, they have the highest per student
expenditure. Now why does a public school system that is
mostly black spend more money per student BUT has some of
the LOWEST test scores???

Among other reasons, because "money per student" includes
other things besides education costs. Cafeterias, school
buses, etc. are part of school costs.

Quoted message said:

A mostly white school system (Fayette County) south of
Atlanta (A product of white flight) has the HIGHEST test
scores in the State and guess what? It spends 30 percent
LESS per student?

Fayette County (which is 16% black BTW) has only 9% of its
kids eligible for poverty programs, like reduced price
lunches, which cost a good deal of money. Atlanta has 71%
eligible. Macon County has 82% eligible. Dooly county has
85% eligible.

Title I Poverty programs spend around $1000/kid in the
schools in poverty. A district with most of the kids in
Title I schools, like Atlanta or Macon, will spend $1000
per kid more just for that one program.

In addition, rich kids have substantial advantages in
education. More highly educated parents, more books in the
home, more resources for dealing with problems that arise
in childhood that can interfere with education.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas why this is so????

See above. It isn't so.

Quoted message said:

It is obvious throwing money at the problem doesn't work.
What is the problem?

It isn't race, as some would claim.

Barrow County, at 12% black, is more white than Fayette
County, but gets worse scores. They have 36% eligible for
free lunches. Banks County is only 3% black, and 55%
eligible for free lunches. Bremen City is only 7% black
and 13% eligible for free lunches.

Of those, on the 4th grade tests, Banks County scored
below the state average on 2 of the 3 tests, and below
Atlanta in Math, beating Atlanta by only 1% in English.

Bob, your logical flaw here is examining only the mixed B/W
scores. It doesn't take very many really dumb DAFNz to drag
down the the average score of the black/white combination.

To get the true picture, you have to separate the DAFNz from
whites. Then you can clearly see the shocking IQ-75 DAFN
genetic inferiority:

nces.ed.gov2004459.pdfOpen ↗
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exZerpt********************************** 2003 NAEP Public
Schools Avg Reading Scores

Grade 4 Grade 8

White IQ-75 DAFN White IQ-75 DAFN
LOOZerz LOOZerz ***Nation*** ------>
227 197 270 244 Large Cities 226 193
268 241 Atlanta 250 191 TS 237
Boston 225 202 273 245 Charlotte 237
205 278 247 Chicago 224 193 265 243
Cleveland 208 191 250 238 Dist
Columbia 254 184 TS 236 Houston 235
201 270 244 Los Angeles 217 187 266
233 New York City 231 201 270 245
San Diego 231 196 269 236

TS - Sample size too small

DAFNz -- What Mother_Nature hath *GENETICALLY* created, are
**DUMBER** than white people.

Supreme Court 1954, Brown vs DNA, a total LOOZer -- AN (iq-
75) MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE (money on)...

Quoted message said:

Bob LeChevalier said:

JJ said:

If you go to the Georgia department of education web
site, you will see a disturbing statistic. Atlanta City
Schools (mostly Black) have the lowest test scores in
the State.

Cite please. I just did so, ended up on the Georgia
School Council Institute site, and on 4th grade tests,
Dougherty, Macon, Dooly, Stewart, and Talbot Counties had
worse scores on all 3 CRCT tests. Probably others as
well; I only looked at 8 counties
gsci.orgreportcenter.jspOpen ↗ looking
at the percentages passing the state tests.

In 6th grade CRCT, Macon county was worse than Atlanta
on all 3 tests, and Dooly was worse on 2 of 3. In 8th
grade CRCT, Dooly did worse on all 3 tests, Terell was
tied on 1 test and worse on the other 2, and Macon was
worse on 2 of 3.

On the MGWA, Terell, Macon, Randolph, Warren and Talbot
scored worse, while Dougherty and Dooly counties were
tied with Atlanta.

On the GHSGT, Terell, Macon, Stewart, Warren, and Talbot
scored worse on all 4 tests. On the GHSWT, Terell,
Macon, Warren, Talbot, and Randolph scored worse. On the
SAT, 7 of the 8 counties scored worse than Atlanta for
average score.

Quoted message said:

But guess what, they have the highest per student
expenditure. Now why does a public school system that is
mostly black spend more money per student BUT has some
of the LOWEST test scores???

Among other reasons, because "money per student" includes
other things besides education costs. Cafeterias, school
buses, etc. are part of school costs.

Quoted message said:

A mostly white school system (Fayette County) south of
Atlanta (A product of white flight) has the HIGHEST test
scores in the State and guess what? It spends 30 percent
LESS per student?

Fayette County (which is 16% black BTW) has only 9% of
its kids eligible for poverty programs, like reduced
price lunches, which cost a good deal of money. Atlanta
has 71% eligible. Macon County has 82% eligible. Dooly
county has 85% eligible.

Title I Poverty programs spend around $1000/kid in the
schools in poverty. A district with most of the kids in
Title I schools, like Atlanta or Macon, will spend $1000
per kid more just for that one program.

In addition, rich kids have substantial advantages in
education. More highly educated parents, more books in
the home, more resources for dealing with problems that
arise in childhood that can interfere with education.

Quoted message said:

Any ideas why this is so????

See above. It isn't so.

Quoted message said:

It is obvious throwing money at the problem doesn't
work. What is the problem?

It isn't race, as some would claim.

Barrow County, at 12% black, is more white than Fayette
County, but gets worse scores. They have 36% eligible for
free lunches. Banks County is only 3% black, and 55%
eligible for free lunches. Bremen City is only 7% black
and 13% eligible for free lunches.

Of those, on the 4th grade tests, Banks County scored
below the state average on 2 of the 3 tests, and below
Atlanta in Math, beating Atlanta by only 1% in English.

Bob, your logical flaw here is examining only the mixed
B/W scores.

No logical flaw. The guy made a claim:

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Quoted message said:

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Atlanta City Schools (mostly Black) have the lowest test
scores in the State.

That claim is false. Any conclusion based on that false
claim is thus unsupported.

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The legal concept of "separate but equal" is unjust.
However, the current legal concept as promulgated in our
society, including our educational system, that "together
but unequal" is appropriate is significantly more

the "separate but equal" legal doctrine. This same concept,
"together but unequal", creates the gender,ethnic, and
racial separateness that is inimical to true INDIVIDUAL
RIGHTS and INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY and promotes racism, ethnic
hatreds, and gender discrimination. White flight and the
deterioration in the quality of education is one of the
untoward results of the same.

So you are admitting when white people leave, the area
becomes dumber?

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White flight and the deterioration in the quality of
education is one of the untoward results of the same.

JJ said:

Without getting down to the nitty gritty (You used a
different site) the counties you mentioned are mostly
black. I was focusing on metro Atlanta. Some of the mostly
black counties in South Georgia are like 3rd world nations.
I have been there.

So what. You said that Atlanta had the worst test scores in
Georgia. It doesn't. You lied, or at least were grossly
inaccurate.

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Your logic also states that wealthy counties have
advantages and poor ones need more money.

No. I said that wealthy KIDS have advantages, and that poor
kids GET more money because that is the way the laws are
written. Atlanta would have trouble spending less per kid
than the suburbs, because it is given extra Federal money
specifically to spend on certain services for poor kids.

Quoted message said:

With all due respect, that is a socialist mentality and
guess what? We don't get what we pay for.

The extra money is not there to pay for high test scores.

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What is the real answer?

Stop crack queens and worthless [censored] [censored] and dumb fat
white trash from squirting out baby after baby.

You wanna try to get the constitutional amendment passed
that would remove the right to reproduce? Good luck.

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It may sound cruel, but sterilization may be the answer.

Government-Mandated medical procedures. Now there is a
winner in our altogether too libertarian society.

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"C.V. Compton Shaw" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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The legal concept of "separate but equal" is unjust.
However, the current legal concept as promulgated in our
society, including our educational system, that "together
but unequal" is appropriate is significantly more

Quoted message said:

the "separate but equal" legal doctrine. This same
concept, "together but unequal", creates the
gender,ethnic, and racial separateness that is inimical to
true INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY and promotes
racism, ethnic hatreds, and gender discrimination. White
flight and the deterioration in the quality of education
is one of the untoward results of the same.

What landmark case established the principle of "together
but unequal"? Are children the equals of their parents? Yet,
despite such inequality, a mother will indulge the gross
inequality of her offspring- even to her detriment.She may
even seek to advantage such offspring without regards to
ability over the offspring of others who are merely better
competitors. But then mothers are vastly prejudiced in favor
of their loved ones- no matter what their defects. A common
human failing that extends to kith and kin and clan but that
can have consequences destructive of justice and real
survival - especially in a modern and technological putative
democratic republic.

Your "reasoning" would seem consistent with that of the
majority opinion that established the principle of "seperate
but equal". Such open lie caused "rivers of blood and
mountains of dead". Mr. Justice Harlan's lone dissent was
far more enduring- but then it sought fact and justice not
dissembly and prejudice.

See:http://www.multied.com/documents/PlesseyvsFerguson.html

In the USA, we have replaced the "separate but equal"
doctrine, with the Orwellian dogma of "together but unequal"
which takes many forms including "affirmative action",
"gender feminism", and others.This type of discrimination is
much more oppressive, discriminatory, and based upon racist
and gender stereotypes and hatred than the "separate but
equal" doctrine.

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